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Life Imitates Atlas Shrugged...Again

Posted by $ rainman0720 5 years, 10 months ago to Politics
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The first time I read Atlas Shrugged, I almost thought I was reading a news report about current events. From that moment, continuing on long after I discovered Galt's Gulch, I have put forth the speculation that the modern dem/prog/lib movement has at least some of its roots in A.S. It almost seems like they're using it as their playbook, but in all of their elite arrogance they think they can produce a different outcome.

Liz Peek of foxnews.com presented one of many takes on last night's Dem debate, and one of the quotes from her comments really drove the point home for me:

'Few Democrats talk about growing the country’s wealth and income; rather, their focus is on how to carve up the wealth and income we already have. As de Blasio has so frequently said, “There’s plenty of money in the country, it’s just in the wrong hands.” '

As I read that, all I could hear is the part of Francisco D'Anconia's speech at James Taggart's wedding where he says this:

“If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose–because it contains all the others–the fact that they were the people who created the phrase ‘to make money.’

For me, Atlas Shrugged was a life-changing event. I could have been one of the people John Galt was talking to at the end of his speech, one of those who knows something is wrong but can't quite quantify it sufficiently. A.S. did for me what he hoped his speech would do for them.


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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The law was imposed in 1943 and progressively increased the amount of withholding, increasing the number of people significantly impacted.
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think we should all strive to cut expenses by 10% in order to help reduce the tax receipts the collectivists get. Less money for them means less control over us
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Greenpeace is also one of the big ones in Ron Arnold's books Trashing the Economy and Eco Terror: The Violent Agenda to Save Nature.
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I can point out that families are basically socialist and somehow the kids have to outgrow and move on from that

    I love cats and I note that the mother cat completely takes care of the kittens from birth Until one day she just stops and pushes the kitten away and forces it grow up and take care of itself

    Today’s leftists just tried to recreate family socialism- and they are getting away with it. The only solution I see is fir the producers to just STOP letting them get away with it. It may just take a strike as AR OUTLINED IN AS to stop this leftist nonsense
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As I said 10-20% reduction in expenses is do-able without seriously affecting standard of living. Most countries have different advantages and disadvantages and one doesn’t have to live in a jungle to get a better mix of adv/disadvantage than in the USA now- esp if trump is defeated in 3020
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But her depiction of The gulch actually took the elements I noted into account. It was hidden, it started small, it took account of things that a small society needed to get started, etc
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  • Posted by $ 25n56il4 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Our income is reported by our employer and taxes are paid. Then we get to file a tax return and pay more taxes. Seems like a strange arrangement to me. Payroll taxes got paid by the employer and we got a 1099, so why must we file and reveal our whole lives to the government!
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yet she seemed approve of ragnar’s reaction to collectivism in AS.

    I understand the impracticality of directly resisting collectivism, and the power of ideas. I do think that ,by and large , humans are basicallyanimals in that they try to get whatever they can. Being ruled by emotions seems to be learned at a VERY early age
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think 10%_20% reduction in living expenses can be done without seriously affecting standard of living. After that, I agree with you

    Once one has amassed enough to live on for the rest of your life, it’s time to go on strike and move to a more desirable place.
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I started work in 1962 and I don’t remember withholding then. I think it started after that
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  • Posted by Lucky 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    See also
    Analysis of Greepeace's business model & philosophy
    Connolly, Connolly, Soon, Moore, Connolly, Dec 2018
    Report fully paid for by the above authors.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You can try to legally minimize tax payments, but decreasing your own standard of living is self-defeating. Going on "strike" or leaving the country for the jungles is self-nihilism.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Changing a philosophy requires understanding it and why it is required. Very important is proper education of the youngest before they adopt bad thinking habbits. Even many in high school are now hopeless. But appealing to more mature people is not hopeless. If everyone were primarily irrational the country would have collapsed long ago.

    Ayn Rand argued that the American sense of life was much better than the intellectuals. Intellectual influence depends on appealing to the best in people with rational explanations, not trying to convert the worst to rationality. But a better sense of life cannot last indefinitely when it only undermined by the professional intellectuals who do most of the writing,speaking and teaching.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Withholding for Federal income taxes started in 1943. Ayn Rand knew very well what the taxes were. She did not advocate a tax strike.

    People do oppose tax increases. If they didn't the taxes would be much higher.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ayn Rand was not "aware" of such "necessities" for an irrational response and did not advocate any of it.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You know that Ayn Rand was not telling us "to go on strike". Every time you feel frustrated you return to that despite it's utter hopelessness as a means for improvement. In particular she said not to stop paying taxes. She wrote that she paid more taxes than she might have to because she knew that given her views she knew what they would do to her. She did write a lot about what must be done by understanding and spreading the right ideas.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Maybe not yet, but look at how much more openly collectivist "mainstream" politicians have become.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ayn Rand wrote that the biggest threat is irrational philosophy. She did write about the primitives, for example in Return of the Primitive..

    The Sierra Club is one of the wealthiest pressure group lobbies in the country. Yes they argue internally about primitivism as an ideal -- along with the Wilderness Society and may others. To see what these organizations have been doing, read Ron Arnold's Trashing the Economy, 2nd ed. It was written in the 1990s, but captures the essence of what these organizations are doing.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Believing that collectivism is thinking Santa Clause means not understanding it.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Wealth requires life to create it. It does not exist naturally and must be created by some conscious being through mental or physical effort.
    Yes, wealth "can be created", but must only be created by effort, else it is not wealth and either not exist or remain a natural resource.
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  • Posted by bsmith51 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Understanding collectivism is easy; just think of Santa Claus. Normal kids got over the fact that it was all a gag. But others were traumatized, embittered, angered, confused and so emotionally stuck that they carry their child emotions into adulthood. Reality is loathsome to them.
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  • Posted by Solver 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I can just see the future. Millions seemingly abandoned wigwams covering the plains. No living humans in site. It is been a really bad winter and no one had been “greedy” enough to plan ahead.
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