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Climate Change Gets a scientific stake through the heart

Posted by  $  nickursis 2 weeks, 4 days ago to Science
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This paper defines the real controller of climate change: Low Cloud Cover. It also says that Greenhouse gases combined may increase overall temperature increase by .1 degree C. This is way beyond the "Clamate change" models, and basically puts to bed the "Greenhouse Gas" theory and models. Whats more interesting the science was peer reviewed and published.
As we can see there is no room for the contribution of greenhousegases i.e. anthropogenic forcing within this experimental accuracy. Even thoughthe monthly temperature anomaly is very noisy it is easy to notice a couple ofdecreasing periods in the increasing trend of the temperature. This behavior cannotbe explained by the monotonically increasing concentration of CO2and it seems tobe far beyond the accuracy of the climate models."

So, when the cap and tarde commies come calling in your state, as they did in Oregon, we have proof, they are just on their usual looting spree. It also backs up The Trump Admin position. There are other factors not in the paper that fully explain the current changes without any greehouse gases, such as Solar energy, cosmic ray nucleation and electro atmospheric dynamics, that are still being investigated and should soon have enough data to build an accurate model.
SOURCE URL: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1907.00165.pdf


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    Posted by Lucky 2 weeks, 3 days ago
    The heading should read-
    Climate Change Gets Another scientific stake through the heart.
    This is not a new idea but this paper is especially workmanlike in quantification.
    A figure of 0.1degreeC increase for doubling of CO2 is not a climate disaster, probably not measurable in any practical sense, tho' the same could be said about 3degreesC.
    Yes cloud cover is crucial. Cloud formation depends on ionization which depends on solar activity.
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    • Posted by  $  2 weeks, 3 days ago
      Yes, I admit I amnot up on the math, but I accept their conclusion that low cloud cover drives climate change, AND that drives us into the position that greater cosmic ray density (such as from coronal holes, and a solar minimum) will increase cloud cover.

      Here is some more details:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYoOc...

      Some statements from it:
      (1) USE 'PARTICLE FORCING' AND EXPAND SOLAR DATA TO INCLUDE X-RAYS, SOLAR WIND, AND HIGH-ENERGY PROTONS.
      (2) CEASE OF DECEPTIVE PRACTICES LIKE ONLY SHOWING SPRING SNOW COVER, AND NOT 'COUNTING' SOLAR PHYSICISTS AS 'CLIMATE SCIENTISTS' IN THEIR "97%" ANALYSIS.
      (3) STOP PRETENDING CLIMATE CHANGE BEGAN IN 1850, THERE IS ROBUST DATA GOING WELL INTO THE PAST.
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  • Posted by chad 2 weeks, 3 days ago
    Anytime someone who has access to the authority of violence to control and rob people starts with; "We should be afraid, very afraid!" their motives are already revealed. The most basic emotion driving humans to action is fear, and with good reason. It can prevent an early demise or injury by reacting swiftly to present danger. It is better to have jumped away from a dangerous snake to discover that it was actually a stick than to not remove oneself from threat when it is real. Unfortunately, this makes humans easily controllable with lies of a threat if you can convince the group of taking an inappropriate action based on irrational fears. In other words, humans are easily controllable.
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  • Posted by  $  mminnick 2 weeks, 4 days ago
    Very good article. the climate change "scientists" will certainly have 50 reasons why it is wrong. They always do.
    I like the fact (reported in a different post) that the glaciers in Yellowstone are growing as well as the Greenland Ice sheets. Of course this is just "anecdotal" and can be ignored.
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  • Posted by  $  Solver 2 weeks, 3 days ago
    I’ve been wondering if this rise of socialism is inciting this climate panic or this climate panic is inciting this rise of socialism?
    Maybe it’s a Möbius loop.
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    • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 weeks, 3 days ago
      I think this idiocy happens in civilizations on a cyclical basis. Increases in cosmic radiation might be one of the causes. Those of us "mindful" seem to be somewhat protected, those that are not seem to be most affected.
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      • Posted by  $  25n56il4 2 weeks, 3 days ago
        Carl, you may be onto something! Maybe it's in their water fountain? They all seem to be saying the same thing. Follow The Leader.
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        • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 weeks, 3 days ago
          Cosmic radiation effects the body and the brain; even more dangerous is it can change/destroy parts of your DNA.
          But here is what we are dealing with: We have 4 types of people: Unicameral Conscious Humans, Bicameral humans, (meaning use of both sides but not at the same time.), those left brain only and those right brain only or at least predominately. The latter two present real problems in society, they tend to be leftest and many, if not one trick ponies, are parasitical in nature, add in Hubris and you got real problems...think the Global Delete. (No Conscience).
          Those of us that are balanced, unicameral, seem to be the most integrated, mindful and with a strong conscience.
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    • Posted by ewv 2 weeks ago
      Socialism is an ideology that has been philosophically motivated since long before the climate hysterics. Socialists exploit whatever they can to push their ideology in politics, and sweep up the incredulous who don't know any better.
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  • Posted by  $  Temlakos 2 weeks, 3 days ago
    Add to it that, to quote Bob Livingston (the survivalist adviser), "history has not been kind to AGW predictions."

    Noel Brown, of the UN Environmental Program(me), told AP that the world should expect coastal flooding and crop failures. He gave the world ten years to fix the problem, and then, he said, the world would be beyond all help.

    https://www.apnews.com/bd45c372caf118...

    First, does that sound familiar? It should. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) also gave the world ten years--or was it twelve?

    Second, we're not nearly at that point. Now the sun has dimmed, slightly but significantly. Look for milder summers and harsher winters.

    And while I'm on the subject, I suggest we tell the cap-and-trade looters that they daren't ask us to ante up just because the French were foolish enough never to air-condition their schools and offices, and now reap the whirlwind.
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    • Posted by  $  2 weeks, 2 days ago
      Yes, Temlakos, you are right on the money. Roy Spencer is trying to neutralize the deep state effort to manipulate what they cannot control and as they scream about the heat, they decline to mention the cold. Overall, this was the COLDEST 6 month period EVER. The cap and trade looters were stopped in Oregon, and now they want to steal that 2.5 billion for PERS, since it will go bankrupt next year without it. They had no plan to use the money, they just mumbled about it, BUT they did have a "Climate Change Police" that would be able to give you up to $10,000 in fines for "unapproved use of fossil fuels". Imaghine that? Can you say "dictatorship? Kommie Kate may be behind on her payments to the Cabal, because she sure is screaming, threatening to eliminate the quorum requirement so she can dictate all state law and policy. That may spark a real, violent revolution. She is on very thin ice, but the need for "free sh@t" and huge PERS checks to the PERS piggies, may keep enough hostages, along with corrupt voting systems, that she may keep her throne. The cap and trade looters will not stop, now the cabal is getting cut off from their other sources of money.

      Link: http://www.drroyspencer.com/2019/07/r...
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  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 weeks, 3 days ago
    It was a "decrease" of .11 C with a 1% Increase of cloud cover.

    PS...I have notice over the years when Ben shows "whats in the atmosphere" in the morning news; On NOAA maps that shows CO2 concentrations over the globe. In our summer you will see higher concetrations of CO2 but down under, low concentrations of CO2 and then the reverse happens when we are in winter.
    So why and what's the difference?...I think it is the Greenery, using and expelling CO2 whereas in winter, there is little to no greenery (except for evergreens) therefore...less carbon in our environment/atmosphere.
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    • Posted by  $  2 weeks, 3 days ago
      Sorry, I thought he said the total contributed by Greenhouse gasses was 1% and .1C. It was a quick run through, their math is way above me. I did get a subscription to SO, though, they seem to be the most rational and data driven group of any speaking on these branches of science. I just need to figure out how to turn off or limit the alerts on the damn app....
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      • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 weeks, 3 days ago
        Because I contributed to the mobile observatory I was to get the ap for free but it was only for dumb phones...I was hopping it would work on my laptop.

        Yes, SS is excellent and I have learned a lot from Ben and the others. He posts mainstream science all the time and many mainstreamers converse with him...although many do it quietly.
        His stuff is right from NASA, NOAA and Godard, not to mention the braver universities

        PS...do you listen to Fly on the Wall on Saturdays?...it's a ritual for me.
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  • Posted by  $  25n56il4 2 weeks, 2 days ago
    What are our alternatives? The fishermen think the wind farms are harming their business. Solar panels aren't going to get it if they need so much sun. Electric cars have those bothersome batteries that weigh a ton and have to be replaced every five years. I hear they are now costing about $4K. We need coal and oil to produce electricity and the LL's want to get rid of coal and oil! Don't even suggest nuclear power!
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    • Posted by  $  2 weeks, 1 day ago
      N, you hit the nail on the head. Now the dirty secret is there are some people who have seen (they say) things called "zero point energy devices". For 30 years now, there has been concrete proof that there is a quantum layer where there is a huge amount of energy, virtually unlimited. To tap it, you need a device that can generate the field needed to do it. Supposedly they have them, but because of all the monied interests above, it is not available. Think about all those people and companies invested in energy, as you listed, and then make them obsolete overnight. Worthless, in fact banned. That is why we will not see a new alternative until they either own it, control it, or have stopped it. Even fuel cells have been extremely handicapped, and they are only available from a very small set of sources, yet are very efficient and emit no pollution. Why are they not mainstream? They have been projected by companies for 20 years now, and there are working units in many places. It is all about power, money and control.
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  • Posted by  $  exceller 2 weeks ago
    Thank you for the scientific publication, Nick.

    I missed it when you first posted it, among all the other issues on the Gulch.

    This is the level the climate change subject should be discussed but I doubt it'll reach those who need it most: the "consensus" crowd.

    Climate Change is a dogma for the left, a new means of control. They will not give it up lightly.
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  • Posted by MannyG 2 weeks ago
    Even considering that Climate Change will destroy the planet is an idiocy. Ever spent a winter and a summer up north? There's climate change!
    Didn't we learn in third grade that plants need Carbon Dioxide to live? What's all the bullshit about the Carbon Footprint? Do you want the plants to rebel and kick your ass? LOL
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