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Of course, there is NO way to prove that, but when did factual proof ever come into the picture?
It's the SUN Silly...is what I tell them.
Learn about the sun's activity: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...
Learn about the coming grand solar minimum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoV97...
The Brain only crowd just won't get it.
We are still "Vetting" out the next magnetic reversal and a newly found mechanism that might be the cause of reverse rotation as the ancients described.
Now magnetic poles- there is strong evidence in geology that our poles have reversed more than once. Magnetism is important to natural processes as well as to human technology. A reversal could be not just unpleasant but a catastrophe.
Those readers here who do not watch utube (handicapped by impatience as well as grumpiness), would appreciate a written summary of scientific thinking on the likelihood.
The Ancients didn't hammer that into stone for no reason...there has to be something to it. Only a subjectivist would ignore looking into it further.
When something is ready to be published, it will be posted. This has not gone unnoticed by NASA either.
You should not have an issue with this "crackpot" source:
https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fea...
https://www.livescience.com/18426-ear...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagn...
Of course, this well thought out, mush of nonsense may be more to your vast knowledge of the condition:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/...
You seem to be a very smart, logical person, whose bias and inability to discuss without judgement any idea, gets in the way of what would otherwise be a useful discussion.
Logically, consider the possibility of a ferrite core, magnetized in a particular way. Now reverse the field on that core. It would indeed be magnetized to rotate in reverse. Since that is directly opposite the current rotation, and a gazillion ergs of energy of inertia is already in motion, Newtons physics say that we would have to release that inertial energy in some way. Since no one has documented a specific instance of this happening, the field is wide open as to the results, but like any release of a large amount of energy, this is probably not going to be a good thing for us. There are several theories of the trigger for this, OUC is simply presenting some of the possibilities for discussion and debate.
Old Ugly is not "simply presenting some of the possibilities for discussion and debate". His posts are ignorant of science, instead being attracted to sensationalism in global disaster in accordance with what he thinks are prophesies of his mystical "ancients". His arbitrary, subjective promotions are not "possibilities" and not science.
Here, I will make it easy:
https://www.ducksters.com/science/phy...
The center of the earth is a giant Iron Nickle ball rotating, that is the basis for the earths electro magnetic fields. The field strength varies with all kinds of factors, such as density, plasma density of the solar wind, deflection angles of magnetic currents. Move the poles, and you change the equation. As the web site says, apply the right hand rule. If you tilt your hand (move the poles) the rotational direction changes, and gyroscopic mechanical torque is applied, the Earth wobbles, turn your hand 180 degrees, the rotation reverses. There is a fundamental known fact that can be applied to the Earths core, that says this is indeed possible. Being a more complex system, not understanding the in depth properties of the electric universe, only means we may not be in possession of all the details, which may impact the final model.
Your statement: " His posts are ignorant of science, instead being attracted to sensationalism in global disaster in accordance with his mystical "ancients". His arbitrary, subjective promotions are not "possibilities". " is dismissive, and ignorant of the facts, which I have just clarified for you. You should apologize, as OUC was making a honest attempt to discuss rational possibilities. If you doubt it, go look up Suspicious Observers and listen to some of their material, it is logical and fact based.
This isn't a matter of rational discussion with someone who happens to not be educated in science. He is stubbornly ignorant, having no interest in learning basic science while persisting in promoting sensationalist nonsense he picks up from his favorite youtube gurus no matter how many times he has been corrected. Crackpots do not deserve perpetual patience.
Whether or not you are interested in putting in the effort to learn and understand basic concepts of physics, Ugly Carl and his gurus are not something to take at face value. This is supposed to be a forum for Ayn Rand's philosophy of reason, which Ugly Carl and others here have no interest in or understanding of as they pursue promoting the opposite.
More germane to this post, here are some other predictions for solar cycle 25.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1907.02107.pdf
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1801.04435.pdf
I guess these guys are hacks too.
Investigating solar cycles today does not mean endorsing a reversal of the earth's rotation, let alone believing in the prophesies of "the ancients".
And, hate to tell you, (don't want to ruin your fun) that the ancients could not make up stuff, they could only recount what they experienced the best way the could; and yes, they expressed them in mystical ways...a sure sign of bicameralism....according to Jaynes.
Mysticism is "making stuff up*. "The ancients" are not a source of scientific knowledge and neither are your gurus.
I've looked at those 3 sites, they deal with reversal of magnetic poles. I do not recall reading any scientific opinion that a magnetic pole reversal can stop/reverse the globe.
Now, you are correct there is no proven fact that a pole reversal WILL result in reversed rotation. No one has said it WILL happen. Carl is simply stating research, theory, scientific interpretation allows for the possibility. The results of such a possibility, given the huge energies involved (which you already stated) would be very catastrophic. Rather than dismiss everything as "voodoo" or "gobbledygook" An Rand would endorse logical, fact based discussion and debate (after all her basis of Atlas Shrugged was a goofball who invented a motor that used no fuel or power, yet worked, and created a shield, which we all know is impossible, therefore her book is just science fiction fantasy voodoo gooledygook, right?). To prove my point look at the discussions and lectures available for purchase from aynrand.org (The AynRand Institute):
https://estore.aynrand.org/c/20/science
Charles Darwin: More than "Just a Theorist" (MP3 download)
Global Warming: The Science, Politics and Philosophy (MP3 download) (This one alone shows how science can conquer the manipulative use of data to create a crisis to exploit people with, I posted the scientific paper here that put a stake through the heart of Global warming by proving low cloud cover predominantly controls climate and anthropomorphic climate change is a myth, and that came from the same people ewv labels as "sensationalist nonsense he picks up from his favorite youtube gurus ).
Physicists Lost In Space (MP3 download) (This is another topic those same "sensationalist nonsense he picks up from his favorite youtube gurus" have addressed in exactly the same manner as this guy did in 1999, and based on scientific discoveries in the last 20 years, those same "gurus" have been moving towards a completely different model of the universe and matter.
The point is, we should never close the door on discussion, ignore data, or label things as mystical nonsense without making a clear case for why it is so, besides "This is supposed to be a forum for Ayn Rand's philosophy of reason" which is EXACTLY what Carl has been doing. If you are going to just use your personal dogma to determine scientific validity, you need to go hang out with the Liberal Elites and worship Occasionally Uses Cortex, because they operate on the same plane of existence. (That did not mean you, Lucky, you are questioning a position, logically asking the right questions).
As well I have looked at the 2 pdf papers on arxiv on geomagnetic reversal that Old... referred to.
They look adequately written, propositions backed up by analysis from evidence. The mathematics is beyond my patience to check carefully. The topic is sunspot activity, records and measurement, and why and how it happens.
The ideas cover: that the sun rotates, there are internal masses with different rotation, masses may be what we could call ferrous probably gaseous also with magnetic properties which causes other solar effects such as radiation. There is mention of 'dynamo models' but I think there is poor or no resemblance to internal electrical generation.
The radiation has relevance to climate on earth.
I found no reference to rotation of planet earth in those papers.
Nothing there that would be outside mainstream science.
Nothing anyone on the Gulch would say was impossible or far fetched.
Your argument about a rotating ferrous core-
Yes, earth (probably) has an magnetic rotating core, it rotates on a different axis and at a different rotating speed to that of the planet, the axis also wobbles.
This proposition provides an explanation of things we know such as earth's magnetism.
That is, there is a magnetic field which moves matching the movement of the rotating core. The field does not rotate but moves.
The magnetic poles are not fixed physical locations, the apparent locations on the earth's surface are an outcome of the field, if the field moves, so do the poles. (Like a point of light on a screen from a laser pointer that is spinning). What the core does, determines the poles, not the other way round.
The L/R hand rules, electrical generator/motor, can not be applied as there is no conductor carrying an electrical current, just a moving magnetic field, thus no force, no torque to speed up or slow down the rotation of the planet.
There is no external influence of the core. -except from the mass of the earth (gravity) which carries it round the sun in orbit. Its rotation and movement is the sum of cyclical attributes it already has. Those cycles may appear to reverse the magnetic poles, the core would have moved, not been flipped and not even the core would be rotating in reverse. The rotation of the core does not produce the field.
It is fact that applying the magnitude of forces to the earth sufficient to stop/reverse rotation would shatter it, not stop/reverse rotation. (The asteroid belt?) So to say 'no one has been around for one', is correct. If it happened, no survivors, no records, no ancient wisdom passed down (ah! but what about telepathic time traveled communication? ok but it was not planet earth. but with mythical powers anything is possible! Einstein said: 'the universe and human stupidity are infinite, but I'm not sure about the universe').
As to wisdom of the ancients, of course some ancients had wisdom, some of them and some of the writings, and then as now there were ideas and stories told only to produce an effect on the credulous. Stopping the movement of the sun in the sky would be such, or it could be from hallucinogenics, controlled use of special substances to motivate the troops.
Reversed rotation- 'Carl is simply stating research, theory, scientific interpretation allows for the possibility"
I have asked but no research or theory have been given, science as understood does not allow for that possibility.
Carl has conflated magnetic pole reversal with planet spin reversal.
Just like this floating Millennium Falcon no hardwire connection was needed: https://youtu.be/uDZk6YmM0ik
Now increase the power a billion fold, and you could still effect it, bigger, and still have no hardwire connection.
Earth is connected to the Sun, like all physcal things in the solar system are, and then we are connected to the galaxy. Energy is being dispersed along all kinds of connections throughout, the way it is done on large scale is what drives them to look for Dark Matter to explain it, and they are beginning to find Dark Matter does not fit what they can see now. It all goes to the Electric Universe idea.
Go here to see a lot of their material, and you will find it makes a lot of good sound, logical sense:
https://suspicious0bservers.org/
Their material is all backed up by scientific data, and they do a lot of "dot connecting" to explain things.
tubes- I do not watch, as owned by G and as it takes too long, exception, when I want to see a do-it yourself type explanation.
suspicious observers website- ok to me from a quick look, I got sucked into the article on species extinctions especially the Neanderthals, my interest follows reading the 'Cave Bear' stories by Jean Auel.
When a person, often sensible and amusing, gets something wrong, I prefer to see the argument attacked but not the person. Defending the person is ok in this case, but no need to stretch/break the boundaries by defending the argument.
Movement of the earth's magnetic poles, or even reversal, will turn out to be of little consequence (famous last words?). At the moment I see it as on the same level as "The Climate Emergency".
Thanks,
The scientific ignorance being stridently promoted here while dismissing all criticism and responding with increasing personal attacks is not "rational discussion". You did in fact emphatically endorse fundamentally false ideas from your own lack of knowledge while dismissing serious response and presumptuously accusing "you do not do much investigation of facts and data, let me help". You are in no such position to "help". Rather than follow the discussion your posts became increasingly defensive and personally hostile.
There is no need to concoct rationalizations in order to dismiss the pseudo explanation "God did it", and they do not help understanding. Scientific explanation is not rationalization and not fads like the "Electric Universe". Everyone knows there is a physical connection between the sun and the earth, that does not open the door to rampant speculation and misapplication of electromagnetic theory to explain the "Flood".
I was trying to look for the announcement that caught our eye a while back of something from the sun that had enough power to make that happen. All I remember was an equation that suggested that the earth would slow it's rotation by 40mph per minute.
Whether the earth will reverse rotate or not hasn't much barring because just the magnetic reversal alone will be devastating enough.
What we really need is transparency in the actual dating of prior events. The time frames are all over the place.
But, here again, this is not what my post was all about.
"I believe there were civilizations prior to the rise of the Human species 200K ago and they were probably the nephilimhttps://http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts...
He rejects the science of evolution as "post modern idiocy" and thinks there was a conspiracy by the Smithsonian to cover up evidence of nephilims: "many nephilim bones being destroyed by the Smithsonian so that darwin would not be challenged. I PERSONALLY have seen the 12' tall nephilim bones." https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
He even claimed that Ayn Rand agreed with this nonsense. https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
A few months ago he persistently promoted one of his youtube gurus, Douglass Vogt and the phony Diehold Foundation, as a source of his ideas in the name of "science".
He thinks the "Hebrew alphabet" proves there was a "people that was literally tens of millions of years more advanced than us. Abraham and Moses who pulled the two plates out merely found them in, deep in the cave."
"This alphabet is the first physical evidence we have that a very highly advanced civilization once lived on Earth. Creation of the Hebrew Alphabet, will reveal what the Torah really is and by doing so, the surface story disappears entirely. The only part of the surface story that has importance is the Genesis story of Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden. The Garden of Eden story told us who the people were who put the technology into the family burial cave."
In describing his own book he says, "The author proves that there is a very high probability the next polar reversal will happen between September and December 2046. He found the exact date encoded in the Torah." https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
OldUgly's posts have been thoroughly debunked but it makes no difference to him. The intransigent antiscientific subjectivist mentality continues to flood this forum with nonsense.
Nor is "This is supposed to be a forum for Ayn Rand's philosophy of reason" "EXACTLY [sic] what Carl has been doing". Rational discussion is not arbitrary pronouncements in the name of science by someone who is ignorant of science and attracted to sensationalism and the mysticism of what he calls "the ancients". He is not "simply stating research, theory, scientific interpretation allow[ing] for the possibility". His posts are scientifically illiterate with a stubborn psychology to match.
He has been persistently promoting his BS here for a very long time despite being corrected several times, showing in detail the subjectivist and mystical nonsense in his favorite sources. He has shown no interest in understanding even basic science or Ayn Rand, preferring to parrot his favorite youtube gurus. Crackpots do not deserve perpetual patience. That principle is not "closing the door on discussion, ignoring data, or labeling things as mystical nonsense without making a clear case for why it is so."
There is no "fundamental truth of magnetic pole reversal" causing a reverse in the direction of the earth's rotation.
"Basic electromagnetic theory" is formulated in Maxwell's equations, not the "right hand method". It does not show that if you reverse the flow of current in a magnetic field, there will be a reversal of mechanical motion" of the earth. A magnetic field is not a "flow of current". Your assertions are scientifically ignorant, not rational discussion. You do not even know how to use the terminology in coherent sentences.
Maxwell's equations relate changes in electric fields to changes in magnetic fields. As one consequence they explain how changing magnetic fields can be used in generators to generate electric currents, and how electric currents can generate magnetic forces causing an electric motor to work. It does not mean that every mechanical motion is an electric motor and it is not "magic".
The 'right hand rule', which you do not understand, is a sign convention relating direction along an axis to the direction of rotation about the axis. It is not a physical law causing the rotation of the earth. If the sign convention were reversed the reformulation of physical laws, if done consistently, would still hold. The 'right hand rule' encapsulates the sign conventions in the vector cross products in Maxwell's equations, which do not say that the magnetic polarity of the earth causes its rotation. Magnetic polarity of the earth is not the only source of forces on the earth and not a dominant source of its angular momentum.
Understanding science requires understanding objective concepts and principles, including how and why they were formulated and validated. They are not arbitrary speculations like a religion, rationalizing some observation with floating abstractions or worse. Science is not just another source of authority, to be followed by feelings for whatever sensationalism sounds appealing to certain kinds of psychology. And it is not "personal dogma".
The nature of Maxwell' theory of electromagnetism in particular is not "personal dogma". If you want to understand the basic ideas of electromagnetism you must understand the concepts and why they were formulated as they are, not follow whatever some guru on youtube is peddling that you learn to parrot. Stubborn science illiteracy is not grounds to promote whatever one feels like in the name of "logical, fact based discussion and debate".
If you are serious then read a credible source such as Forbes and Mahon's Faraday, Maxwell, and the Electromagnetic Field: How Two Men Revolutionized Physics. It goes as far as it can without requiring the mathematics employed by Maxwell.
In the meantime, please refrain from lecturing the rest of us on a subject you do not know, and especially refrain from your personal smears and pushing kook promotions in the name of reason and Ayn Rand. It is no better than the mentality of the crackpot CIA and UN black helicopter conspiracy theories and dogmatic religion pushed on this forum.
None of the philosophically oriented lectures on the Ayn Rand Institute website you named support your promotions or the subjectivist mentality behind them. Did you even listen to them? Contrary to your claim, they do not "prove your point". Nor was Ayn Rand's "basis of Atlas Shrugged a goofball who invented a motor that used no fuel or power". You don't understand the novel or its purpose, either. Ayn Rand's philosophy was not whatever else you happen to believe just because you were attracted to some aspect of a novel.
Do you bow to that science?
Scientists should just pack up and go home EWV says it is all settled nothing else to learn or test.
"Statistics" claimed for 97% agreement on climate hysteria are not an excuse for anti-intellectuals to reject science in favor of their emotional subjectivism in a populist anti-scientific revolution.
Electromagnetic Induction:
"Electromagnetic or magnetic induction is the production of an electromotive force (i.e., voltage) across an electrical conductor in a changing magnetic field."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro...
EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.
I am to assume you have a PHd and must teach at a high end liberal college, because you, sir, are very rude. Do you hang out with the local SDS group on campus? You inability to consider others and rigid thinking are not the mark of an open minded, rational thinker.
The quote you cribbed from wikipedia is nothing like what you said and does not justify your claim that the earth will change the direction of rotation.
Rejecting your personal attacks and ignorant promotions is not "rigid thinking". Nor does "rational thinking" mean being "open minded" to crude personal attacks and intransigent, emotional outbursts of snarling ignorance. Please consult the guidelines for posting here.
You have not addressed anything that any of us have said refuting and rejecting bizarre, anti-science claims emotionally promoted in this and other threads that do no not belong on this forum. Ayn Rand advocated reason and science, not hysterical populist conspiracy theories and their mental equivalent as kook "science".
OldUgl is called an "abbreviation". Calling him OldUglyCarl is no different in content. That is the least of it.
I bow to you almighty EWV.
The concern here is that our magnetic shields are weak, 25% down and even a weak disturbance will wreck havoc with our digital and electrical infrastructures. Also we will be watching to see signs of the impending Grand Solar Minimum that would last 30 years or more; which would mean much colder weather overall, more earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and more Icebergs.
See: Dalton Minimum (30 year) (200 y cycle) and Maunder Minimum (80 years) (400 y cycle)
Travel, cosmic radiation due to weakened shields, maybe even 0 shielding for a short time; not to mention the effect on plate tectonics, the loss of oxygen in the atmosphere...it's not pretty but survivable...it's the micro nova from the sun that has my interest and still investigating.
Now that's it!, cut the crap. Behave yourself.
If you want to comment on the next solar cycle, feel free. That is what this post is about.
PS...thanks for the extra points...LOL
Introducing the thread: "it's time to prepare for outages and disruptions. They are most likely."
"We are still 'Vetting' out the next magnetic reversal and a newly found mechanism that might be the cause of reverse rotation as the ancients described."
"The Ancients didn't hammer that into stone for no reason...there has to be something to it. Only a subjectivist would ignore looking into it further."
"All I remember was an equation that suggested that the earth would slow it's rotation by 40mph per minute.
"Whether the earth will reverse rotate or not hasn't much barring because just the magnetic reversal alone will be devastating enough."
And that is just on this one thread alone.
Your "cut the crap. Behave yourself" is a personal attack that does not belong on this forum.
Fact:...you brought it up...and the rest responded to your bringing it up.
But again, thanks much for the extra points.
Your counting posts, like your personal attacks, is not a cognitive response.
Make your own forum and you can set the rules . Not here.
Go to the dump.