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Robin Williams dead at 63

Posted by Non_mooching_artist 10 years, 9 months ago to News
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I am actually sad over this. Having watched his career starting with Mork and Mindy, up to the present, it's terrible. And what could have caused such anguish to cause him to take his own life? Dead Poet's Society come to life.


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  • Posted by katrinam41 10 years, 9 months ago
    "What Dreams May Come" He was an amazing actor, a man who was "on" all the time, and I believe it was just too much for any one human being to handle--he is loved and he will be missed.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I prefer to look at it as the final demonstration of love. As you identify, since he was God, he also knew that the cessation of life in this world was not the end. Instead of relying on mere "faith" he chose to demonstrate this to the world. It seems that you have rejected that, which is your choice because you were given free will.
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  • Posted by conscious1978 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A case can be made that anyone who consistently gives up a greater value for a lesser one is on a course of self-destruction...so, yes; sacrifice is suicide by degrees. Your mileage may vary.

    With respect, what is the fallacy in the implication that Only believers can be an 'expert' on Christianity?
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  • Posted by xthinker88 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True. In a mythology, logic doesn't actually have to apply. Until you want to claim your mythology is real. And most Christian theologians I think would contradict your contention that God can say A is not A. He can transform A into not A but cannot make something simultaneously both. Thomas Aquinas comes to mind immediately.

    But this is minor piddly crap compared to the moral problems with Christian mythology and the Christian God. Frankly, any God that would create a universe in which he intends to damn the vast majority of his sentient creations to an eternity in Hell is neither just, good, nor worthy of worship.

    I don't know any moral human being that would have 10 children if he knew from the beginning that 9 would be tortured for their entire lives and the other would live a happy life. Yet that is what this god supposedly did.
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  • Posted by Solver 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    By supernatural logic, they are the one true God so he (or they) being all-powerful can say A is not A, therefore no suicide.
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  • Posted by xthinker88 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He intended to be killed, he created the situation in which he would be killed, he created the people that he would use to kill himself and did it all with full intention and full ability to stop it anytime he chose. Compared to that, a human suicide doesn't even seem like suicide.
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  • Posted by xthinker88 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But you realize that you're majoring in the minors here right? Christian theology rests on the idea that Jesus who was God adn created the Universe came to Earth and became a human being with the intent of getting himself executed. That is suicide plain and simple.

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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not sure that's the case everywhere. And I believe that a coroner cannot make such a determination - as it calls for a determination of the intent of the individual, and they often are not able to do that.

    From research: The phenomenon has been described in news accounts from 1981,[6] and scientific journals since 1985.[6] The phrase has appeared in news headlines since at least 1987.[7] It did not become common until the early 2000s. The phrase seems to have originated in the United States, but has also appeared in the UK, where a jury first determined someone committed suicide by cop in 2003.[8]

    Some of the first research into suicide by cop was completed by Sgt. Rick Parent of the Delta Police Department. Parent's research of 843 police shootings determined that about 50% were victim precipitated homicide. Police defined victim precipitated homicide as "an incident in which an individual bent on self-destruction, engages in life threatening and criminal behavior to force law enforcement officers to kill them."[9]

    The first formally labeled "Suicide by Cop" case in English legal history was a judgment made by Reverend Dr William Dolman while serving as a London coroner between 1993 and 2007.[10] It set a legal precedent and the judgment, as a cause of death, has been a part of English law since.

    You'll notice that they call it "victim precipitated homicide."
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  • Posted by xthinker88 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Suicide by cop is considered suicide, not homicide. look it up. It is an intentional action designed to result in your own death. That is suicide by definition of the CDC. There are cases where the suicidal person even left notes and messages to describe what they are doing. In these cases, the cop's gun is no different than if they had fired it themselves. Or the train on the tracks.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Legally, one person who kills another is a homicide. You can only call it a suicide (legally) if it was done directly as an action of the individual. And even then, it can be questionable - see the comment here about older folks getting drunk and driving into a lake/river. Since you cannot prove motivation, these are generally called accidental death, even though oftentimes it is actually suicide.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So, you recognize and acknowledge that being born a man caused a "reset" if you want to look at it that way.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    For someone who abandoned Christianity, you sure can't leave it alone to its own merits can you. You have to make up arguments you know are false to assuage your own inner demons. I truly pity you.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You fall victim to the same fallacy involved when discussing the role of a soldier: you ignore motive and you ignore who it is who is actually "pulling the trigger." Such would place the blame on the victim and absolve the perpetrator: a gross perversion of justice. Soldiers go into battle knowing they can die - some even knowing they will die. But their motives are anything but despair. They know their sacrifice has the purpose of providing opportunity to others who could not do so themselves. Sacrifice is not suicide.

    Did Christ know how, when, and where He would die? Yes. Did He allow Himself to be crucified? Yes. But was His motivation one of despair? No. Did He nail Himself to the cross? No. He died because He was protecting and enabling the path back to God on our behalves.

    You don't have to believe in Christianity. But I would point out two things: one - your assertions about your former life are made to try to present yourself as a subject-matter expert (appeal to authority fallacy). However, you gave up that claim when you renounced Christianity. Two: you are attempting to hijack the meaning of the word suicide by playing word games. On both counts you are presenting a disingenuous argument.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't believe that Christian theology says that JC shared the complete knowledge of God. Thus, he wouldn't necessarily "know" what was going to happen, though it is clear that at the end he understood.
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  • Posted by xthinker88 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not sure how you got all of that out of a few pages in a really old book written by people who were not eyewitnesses.

    But that aside, your story makes a nice history for a guy getting whacked by the Romans. But if you believe he is God then he knew all of this would happen, indeed set it in motion so that he could carry out his mission to be killed.

    In that case, it was suicide just as sure as stepping into the path of an oncoming train.
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  • Posted by xthinker88 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sorry I spent most of my life as a Christian. And I've studied far more theology than most Christians. Your argument is just nonsense.

    If somebody faces off with a cop, pulls an unloaded pistol, cocks the pistol, aims it at the cop and gets shot dead, and does it as part of a plan, we recognize that that is suicide. It is even called suicide by cop.

    If Jesus was God he came here to die, intentionally, and knew exactly how it would go down. Not only that, but he could have stopped it any time he wanted to. He committed suicide.

    If he was not God, then he was just a guy who got whacked by the Romans.
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