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  • Posted by freedomforall 2 weeks, 5 days ago
    Perhaps the author of the article should READ the books before describing them. He has no clue about Atlas Shrugged (or he has decided to ignore the obvious message written in Atlas Shrugged and provide a ridiculous summary to prevent other readers from discovering why Jobs recommended Atlas Shrugged.)
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 weeks, 5 days ago
    I like these book recommendations.
    #6 - Innovators Dilemma - Shows how disruptive tech brings products to new markets. The sequel, The Innovator's Solution, explains the constant cycle of commoditization and decommoditization.
    #5 - Diet for a Small Planet - Explains how meat consumes so much resources on a planet where humanity is pushing the limits of the ecosystem. It also explains income inequality and says industrial agriculture causes poverty in agricultural societies. I question this claim because the world is so interconnected I don't see such a thing as a purely agricultural society.
    #2 - Atlas Shrugged - I love the positive view of humankind, the vivid portrayal of the perils of socialism, and how it subtly shows that many dishonest people are not seeking personal gain but rather a reaction from others or destruction of greatness. The latter point was very powerful for me because I always assumed that people who hurt others did it out of selfishness. It turns out to be the opposite. They're extremely unselfish, often lacking a sense of self, and they're looking for a reaction from others.
    #1 - 1984 - I found it depressing and hard to read at a teenager. I also remember finding it hard to believe there could be microphones and cameras everywhere. The technology seemed implausible and something people would never accept. Boy was I wrong!
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    • Posted by  $  CaptainKirk 2 weeks, 1 day ago
      1984 was enlightening for me. It did not scare me, as much as it amazed me. The thought that language could dictate understanding and reasoning was awe-inspiring.

      What do you call the child of a mother and her own son? We have no word for this, because it is "wrong" (ie, wrongthink)

      There was a Star Trek TNG episode where Piccard had to survive with a guy who talked in old metaphors (Like X and Y who defeated Z), indicating a friendship concept with a common enemy.

      But the the story showed the race had developed faster than light travel... I questioned it BECAUSE of what I learned from 1984... There is NO WAY (that I can comprehend), where something as common place as friendship must be expressed as a centuries old story, that would allow for scientific discoveries to be expressed and understood and explained, to get to FTL travel...

      What makes English powerful are Acronyms, and the ability to figure them out, TL;DR exists for a reason. You must, sometimes, cut off the tail, in order to move forward fast enough!
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      • Posted by  $  blarman 2 weeks, 1 day ago
        "What do you call the child of a mother and her own son?"

        Actually, it is called an Oedipus complex... 'Course it also entails killing one's own father and putting one's own eyes out, but there you go. ;)

        PS: loved your Star Trek reference. That's probably one of my favorite ST:TNG episodes, even if the concept is totally alien to the principles of communication. ;)
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 1 week, 5 days ago
        "There is NO WAY (that I can comprehend), where something as common place as friendship must be expressed as a centuries old story, that would allow for scientific discoveries to be expressed and understood and explained, to get to FTL travel..."
        Maybe they have a technical language for technical concepts, but the UT cannot interpret it. Maybe their language takes bits of stories the way our language uses Latin and Greet root words to describe scientific concepts.

        I agree it stains credulity, but I like the concept. Also the story of solving a problem with a stranger who speaks a different language really rang true for me. I can think of times I was trying to get some minor help from a stranger. We both say things in the two languages we know, hoping a few words will be understood. We almost get along better than we might if we were in a similar situation but spoke the same language.

        "What do you call the child of a mother and her own son?"
        I had to read this three times to get it. I read it first as "a mother with her child and adopted son". Then I read it as "a mother with her biological son." As you say, it's wrongthink.
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      • Posted by lrshultis 2 weeks, 1 day ago
        TL;DR same for those who skim read a book or article. I have a brother-in-law who reads a novel in one hour. He said he just reads the important parts. No way to read and connect ideas.
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        • Posted by  $  CaptainKirk 2 weeks, 1 day ago
          This is an interesting point. I cannot read that fast due to how my eyes work (don't work, LOL). But I can plow through books on tape at double speed, sometimes faster.
          My retention is quite high. I bookmark as I go, and I like to go back and take notes from the bookmarks.

          You do lose something when you speed through things. For enjoyment, I wonder... Why bother?

          For coverage of information (like myself and all things Keto, Carnivore, etc). I want the breadth and depth AT SPEED. I would rather cover more information at double speed, than try to retain 3-5% more of each book at normal speed.
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  • Posted by  $  Stormi 2 weeks, 1 day ago
    Wonder what Gats' list looks like? He is obsessed with population control, or reduction. I think everyone should read "Atlss" and "1984". We have to see what a dystopia looks before we can appreciate and embrace the self vs collectivism. Not sure of some of his other choices. I learned that diet control was ruled by availability, and imposed by religious sanctions. Just because some do not have access, is not a reason to ban to all. It is a challenge to get of their duffs and pursue what they want to eat. I am surpirsed not much econoics in it all.
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  • Posted by  $  CaptainKirk 2 weeks, 1 day ago
    I read a few books on Jobs.
    First, I lost all respect for him when I learned how he treated the mother of his child. Then how he interviewed people, and then how he cheated Woz, by lying to him about the bonus they were to be paid for getting an Atari game done.

    Showing up in an executives office and putting his dirty feet directly on the guys desk.

    Trying to treat his pancreatic Cancer with garbage science. And so much more...

    He looked out for himself, and I think the Universe showed him how that ends!
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    • Posted by lrshultis 2 weeks, 1 day ago
      The fact that Jobs had many flaws is no reason to criticize, because of the man, the the books that he liked. The same could be done with Rand whose work must be evaluated separate from the flaws of the woman. The works must stand before the flaws in the person.
      I know that you were most likely evaluating the books a bad, but to attack the author or the reader does is usually done to belittle the person.
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      • Posted by  $  CaptainKirk 2 weeks, 1 day ago
        Never Mentioned the books, just Jobs as the person he was. Asking interviewees how old they were when they lost their virginity.

        The book list is great! He got ousted because he could not play well with others. Once his "charm" wore off, you realized he had vision and drive... And I don't think he cared about the lives ruined in the process.

        Enjoy the books he recommends. His one college speech (his last, I believe) was inspiring.

        He, as a person, as measured through his actions, was NOT inspiring to me.

        Bill Gates USED to be inspiring. He did not ask more of others than he did of himself. Often working 18hr days.

        But when you realized he created his foundation to KEEP his wealth out of reach of the VERY TAX MAN he suggests should take more and that we should become a Socialist Country, and that vaccines are used to reduce birth counts, etc. etc. you realize you are dealing with a 3rd or 4th generation Globalist/Elitist.
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