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Einstein had the wrong philosophy for science but succeeded anyway

Posted by $ jbrenner 6 years, 2 months ago to Philosophy
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Researchers at the University of Edinburgh recently discovered a letter written by Albert Einstein in which Einstein writes that his theories were inspired by the 18th Century (subjectivist) philosopher, David Hume.

Here is an excerpt from Einstein’s letter:

You have correctly seen that this line of thought was of great influence on my efforts and indeed Ernst Mach and still much more Hume, whose treatise on understanding I studied with eagerness and admiration shortly before finding relativity theory…. It is very possible that without these philosophical studies I can not say that the solution would have come.

Hume definitely was not an Objectivist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_H...
I am not endorsing Hume. I am trying to stimulate discussion similar to what Hugh Akston might have had with his star students Galt, D'Anconia, and Danneskjold.


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  • Posted by $ 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I could have easily gone down The State Science Institute path ... It has cost me in my career, but I'm glad that I didn't go down that path.
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, I would agree with this. A is A. If the theory doesnt work (like socialism), it is garbage.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    For integration of knowledge, experience and observation to occur, one must study, not just what may reasonably relate to the problem to be solved, the passion to know or the invention to be invented but things outside that realm as well.
    There are values and clues in all things, good, bad and I dare say...ugly...if only to know that which is not valuable, not observable, not reasonable, not moral, not ethical or germane to one's quest.

    Yes, reason, experimentation, evidence and observation are necessary but when an experiment can't be devised, evidence and observation can't be reconciled and the morality of it can't be judged, one needs something to provide the motivation, the insight for that quantum leap in understanding the solution and how to attain it...I feel, that philosophy is a great help and the ultimate road to integration.

    This whole process is a reflection of self and the knowing of reality is the outcome.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My favorite quote on this still comes from Jurassic Park: "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn't stop to think if they should." Philosophy is what guides the use of scientific knowledge. Otherwise we just end up the State Science Institute...
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  • Posted by dnr 6 years, 2 months ago
    After Einstein arrived in the US at Princeton he made no additional major advances in physics, but seeing that Quantum Mechanics did not follow the principles of General Relativity, he spent the rest of his life trying to find a way to refute how things operate at an atomic level different than at the macro level. He said "God does not play games," but in the sense of QM he certainly does. Einstein's contribution to science is huge, but it all happened in Germany, long before his arrival in the US. He still had a huge impact on society, but not in Physics, e.g., when asked if we should build a nuclear device.. The finding of Gravitation Waves validates sort of the last thing of Einstein postulated. Einstein made great contribution to physics, but got stuck on QM. He just couldn't bring the two together (theory of Everything) and in some ways we are still trying to do the same. I think that it is pretty well accepted that he wasted his time going up a blind alley, we should be careful not to do the same.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 6 years, 2 months ago
    From what I've read, it was Hume's contention that one should not be restricted by past conclusions when investigating the future that influenced and encouraged Einstein to continue pursuing a logical path that was out of step with the accepted view of physics at the time. Einstein was at first highly skeptical of what he was discovering, and almost dropped what led him to the discovery of relativity, primarily because he was ridiculed and berated by other scholars who "knew better."

    I think Einstein would be laughing and sympathetic with the new generation of scholars who contend that Einstein might not have gotten relativity entirely right, as he would feel empathy for the abuse many of them take.
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    Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 6 years, 2 months ago
    Hello Jbrenner,
    Hume was better known in his time as an economist and historian. He was an empiricist of the enlightenment. His most recognized and controversial contribution to philosophy was his questioning of induction as an infallible source of fact.
    He reasoned that with the exception of math, if you could not prove something empirically one could not be certain. To prove that something existed, one needed to provide evidence through observation, but induction from observation was limited, e.g., one cannot say that all swans are white, just because one has never observed a black swan.

    I believe Rand's primary problem with Hume was that he was an influence on Kant. Kant, of course, took things too far in another direction, questioning the validity of observation and emphasized the influence of one's mind on the world as observed. He did not trust anyone to observe reality faithfully. He undercut man's conceptual and cognitive capacity. He undercut the faculty of reason.

    "If you observe that ever since Hume and Kant (mainly Kant, because Hume was merely the Bertrand Russell of his time) philosophy has been striving to prove that man’s mind is impotent, that there’s no such thing as reality and we wouldn’t be able to perceive it if there were—you will realize the magnitude of the treason involved." Ayn Rand, Return of the Primitive, The Anti-Industrial Revolution, A R Lexicon

    Good to see you are still fighting the good fight,
    OA
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  • Posted by $ 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am emphasizing the importance of philosophy for my nanotechnology minor program, to the criticism of some ... but none whose opinion matter to me.
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  • Posted by mshupe 6 years, 2 months ago
    I think its essential that Einstein knew of the need for, and importance of, philosophy. Another theoretical physicist, David Deutsch, who relies heavily on another philosopher, Karl Popper, who is much worse than Hume. Popper denies reality, and Deutsch's theories are equally irrational.
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  • Posted by Lucky 6 years, 2 months ago
    Knowledge advances by the use of proposition and experiment, thinking and observation.
    Human ideas are verified or falsified by recourse to human senses, these are not infallible.

    It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are.
    If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong.

    Richard Feynman, Cornell University Lecture, 1964
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