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Worst riot in a decade engulfs Paris; Macron vows action

Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 4 months ago to Culture
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Gee,, when you want to just loot the people, make them pay their fair share, and the RIOT? Whats wrong with these lemmings, don't they know their only task is to work and turn over their rewards to US? I guess the start of Atlas Shrugged is here now...
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  • Posted by ColHogan 5 years, 4 months ago
    Taxation is theft.
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    • Posted by ewv 5 years, 4 months ago
      That isn't why they are protesting. The organizers are mostly populists who don't like the results of French statism but who want more egalitarian collectivism.

      Gasoline taxes in France were already $7/gal before the tax increase, and according to one recent report I saw, gas prices in France even with the new tax are lower than they were several years ago. Yet there were no mass protests before now.

      Those incited to protest the new tax on them apparently would not mind a tax on others. According to an article today in The Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018...

      "The protesters see the ex-investment banker as an arrogant 'president of the rich' who is out of touch with ordinary folk struggling to make ends meet.

      "A widespread complaint is that the low-income provincial workers of 'forgotten' France can no longer scrape after paying some of the highest tax bills in Europe.

      "A large number want a partially-scrapped wealth tax to be reinstated. Yet their demands are incredibly broad and sometimes contradictory.

      "Many yellow vests are calling for taxes to be slashed but say more should be spent on public services. The prime minister pointed out that you can’t have both."

      This is like an alternative version of the plot in Atlas Shrugged in which mass protests against Dagny Taggert call for socialism.

      The course of a nation depends on the dominant philosophical ideas and outlook. Not liking a new tax does not tell anyone what is the right way to organize society by what fundamental standards.
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      • Posted by Solver 5 years, 4 months ago
        With more egalitarian collectivism people can sit back and relax, letting someone else take up the slack.
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        • Posted by ewv 5 years, 4 months ago
          That begs the question of why they think someone else has an obligation to provide for others' needs while they "slack", and why they think their parasitism is a proper way to live at all. That altruism and collectivism are philosophical premises.

          One of the consequences is that there is no "sitting back and relaxing" under collectivism. It only causes more problems and prevents problems from being solved as individual initiative -- goal-directed thinking and individual action -- is stifled. When the collectivism doesn't "work", their premises lead them to more collectivism with more statism to enforce it.
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          • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 4 months ago
            I have held the belief that all the versions of "collectivism", "socialism" "communism" are all a manipulation of a fantasy philosophy that says everyone can work a little and it all adds up into plenty for all. It seems that is the story and it always ends up with 90% working so the 10% can be the masters and use force to persuade the 90% it is better to work than die, or be reeducated. That is why I have never given any of them an ounce of serious consideration, It is always greed on steroids. The current state of Europe is unsustainable, and since I have not seen where all these exorbitant taxes disappear to, I am inclined to believe it is on a financial edge of the cliff, like all socialism ends up.
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            • Posted by ewv 5 years, 4 months ago
              It's fantasy that it can work in the sense of making possible (let alone guarantee) human flourishing of the individual, but as a philosophic premise it begins with rejection of the individual as the fundamental ethical value -- not belief that little work results in plenty, which is an evasive psychological wish, not a philosophy at all.

              How the collectivist fundamental hatred of the value of the individual manifests itself shows up in the implementation of the various collectivist schemes. The collapse of one scheme has not stopped collectivists from trying another one or becoming more extreme in enforcement as they maintain their false collectivist basic premise.

              Rejecting collectivism requires attacking it at its root by identifying and defending the principles of individualism based on a proper ethics of egoism and rationality as a matter of consistent principle. It's not enough to try to convince people that collectivism "doesn't work" by any strictly empirical or shifting "Pragmatist" standard. It requires rational, conceptual understanding. Collectivism doesn't work for anything but sacrificial submission to the collective, which goal as the premise must be rejected for individualism: the necessity and freedom of the individual to think for himself exclusively by reason to choose the values of his own life.
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    • Posted by LibertyBelle 5 years, 4 months ago
      H***, yes! Worse than mere theft: armed robbery.
      But the way to handle that would be to repeal those taxes, and the socialistic laws which brought those taxes about. And maybe we'd better watch it. We don't want to have a wave of mob violence over here.---And look at what's going on in California, and where they may be headed.
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  • Posted by Solver 5 years, 4 months ago
    Multiculturalism.

    I guess they’re grateful to be living in a western culture. Looters, vandals, arsonist, and protesters around them would likely be shot in an eastern culture.
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  • Posted by exceller 5 years, 4 months ago
    Apparently Macron blinked:

    "Faced with another weekend of destructive protests by the “gilets jaunes”—or yellow vests—Prime Minister Édouard Philippe told a news conference Tuesday the tax hike would be pushed back six months. "

    So how is it going to be more acceptable six months from now?

    Macron wants the French to drive less and "wait for public transportation or car pool."

    Yes, he really said that. The equivalent of "Let them eat cake",. by being fully aware that a huge swath of the population makes a living by driving from remote areas.

    This is the result of electing a head of State who has no idea how to govern only parroting what global money leaders instruct him to do.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 4 months ago
      Yes, apparently he did blink, maybe it is also in response to other pressures they are starting to feel.
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      • Posted by exceller 5 years, 4 months ago
        Other pressures, such as?
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 4 months ago
          Rumbles of election fraud, now a no confidence vote for Monday, and an increasing move by countries to tell the UN they will not allow the UN to tell them how to handle immigration and they will not make welfare and citizenship a "human right"...for some...
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          • Posted by exceller 5 years, 4 months ago
            Thanks Nickursis.

            Macron's approval rating now stands at 23%.

            The UN is pushing its agenda about immigration, parallel with the EU's migrant quotas.

            The quotas have been voted down before but the bureaucrats are taking another shot at it, no matter how unpopular it is.
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            • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 4 months ago
              Yes, there is a whole thing going on about the UN migration program they want, it is a bunch of money and a whole lot of rules and laws THEY want all the countries to implement, a pure railroad session, if ever there was one.
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              • Posted by exceller 5 years, 4 months ago
                Wonder how far will Macron get?

                His lofty ambition from the beginning was to lead the EU. A genius like him deserves no less, right?

                He certainly is pushing his pro-immigrant, globalists, EU-controlled financial institutions agenda with full force. The only problem is that member countries want no part of it. Of course a little bump like that does not bother a ruthless dictator like him: there are new Stalins even though communism is dead, at least officially. The "new" elite in Europe makes sure his teachings are alive and well.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 5 years, 4 months ago
    Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: dd90e3 No.4118750 📁
    Dec 2 2018 17:28:47 (EST)
    What you are witnessing in France has nothing to do w/ gas [forced narrative].
    Vive la France!
    Q

    Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 4a964b No.4119960 📁
    Dec 2 2018 18:26:15 (EST) NEW
    >>4119614
    Ask yourself a very simple question, why is there a total & complete MSM blackout re: France, Belgium, Germany, EU riots etc?
    When you are awake you can SEE CLEARLY.
    FAKE NEWS = ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE.
    Q
    Still trying to track down more on this.
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    • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 5 years, 4 months ago
      ▶Anonymous 12/02/18 (Sun) 18:26:53 dfe758 (1) No.4119964

      >>4119614 (pb Q)

      Q: this is over the clowns rigging the FRENCH ELECTION.

      Nobody wanted him in there in the first place. It was stolen from LePen.

      Worldwide
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 5 years, 4 months ago
        Riots all over the place, Sweden and Haiti also...seems the whole world is up in arms today and all last week.
        UN austerity, Forced immigration, high taxes, stolen elections...you name it.
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        • Posted by Solver 5 years, 4 months ago
          Checking Twitter and translating to French, the French riots seem to have something to do with an increase in social taxes and a decrease in social pensions which support a globalist agenda.
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          • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 4 months ago
            This is all clearly stated in a lot of articles and interviews, Macron wants to add a 25% increase in fuel costs to pay for "clean energy". Part of Frances "commitment" to the Paris Accords. In other words, what Pelosi and Obama tried to do here that that Evil Trumps removed us from.
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            • Posted by Solver 5 years, 4 months ago
              It’s just it’s so hard to find out what’s really going on by common means. The city of Paris is having it’s most violent riots in decades and most people have no clue that it’s happening. I expected CNN to be on the scene reporting live. All I learned from MMM, again and again, is that Bush died. When they did report some thing, the reason that is given for the EU chaos is higher gas prices, which can always be blamed on those capitalists.

              This is obviously because this setback does not fit the mainstream news media biased and globalist agenda.
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            • Posted by $ jdg 5 years, 4 months ago
              The rioters don't seem to understand the root cause of their problems, though. They may well go on blaming Jews and capitalism and demanding even more globalism. This to me is a much more "ominous parallel" to 1923 than the supernaturalist hogwash to which Peikoff attached that title.

              If I lived in Western Europe right now, I'd get the heck out even if I had to sneak across borders. They are going to have a war for stupid reasons.
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            • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 4 months ago
              The Q statement is an extrapolation from the root cause, they riot over the fuel surcharges, but the root cause is Macron was put in by a rigged election by the clowns.
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      • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 4 months ago
        Yes, that would be true, if extrapolated, had the clowns rigged the election, and got Macron, who is now implementing the clowns theft of huge amounts through the sham of global warming.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 5 years, 4 months ago
    As much as I don't approve of mob violence, I might have expected that this riot was pro-Socialist. As much as I don't condone mob violence, this one makes me kind of hope they set up a guillotine and execute a few of those people who voted those tax raises into place, and maybe that they march on the legislative building and tear it down!. Kind of makes me want to get up on a soapbox and sing La Marseillaise ! (Of course, I can't really condone that way of handling things--but I kind of think that the "intellectuals" have brought this on themselves. Except that maybe they're not going to have to be the ones to pay for it).
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    • Posted by ewv 5 years, 4 months ago
      It's more pro-socialist than you think. https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post... It's mob violence by people who don't like what they are getting but who don't know enough to advocate what is right. We are seeing the predictable chaos, violence and calls for tribalism that can be expected from irrationalism and collectivist ideology widely accepted. Don't expect a second American revolution under these conditions.
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      • Posted by LibertyBelle 5 years, 4 months ago
        No, I guess not. And historically, the French seem incapable of doing a * proper* revolution, anyway.
        They just don't have a proper philosophy. (But perhaps, with the right propagandists...but who from here would have the time, or the interest, anyway?)
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      • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 4 months ago
        I see it as the inevitable rejection of the pressure of the socialust system. The financial pressures in Europe to gove away free stuff has built for the laast 40 years, this tax for "clean energy" is just lighting the fuse.
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 4 months ago
    Macron could resign, but there is just another one ready to step into his shoes
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    • Posted by exceller 5 years, 4 months ago
      According to news, the French were polled if they thought someone else would make a better leader?

      50% voted "No".

      The French are hopeless. So are the Germans. They still don't know whom to elect in place of Merkel.
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      • Posted by term2 5 years, 4 months ago
        more and more, as governments get more powerful and controlling, people are separating into two camps- the producers/beseiged and the takers/controllers. There is NO compromises between these two groups. The only compromise that could ever be is how much of what the producers make can be given to the takers. Civil war has started in 2016 here, and is headed to open warfare if the leftists dont lighten up
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      • Posted by LibertyBelle 5 years, 4 months ago
        It seems that the French never did know how to do a proper revolution. I've read two books about it (one by Carlyle), and our Revolution seems rather cold, legalistic, and bloodless by comparison. A lot of thought-out ideas, written down. And not a lot of rioting. And we got a well-thought-out Constitution, written in 1787, with a procedure for amendment not just a lot of screaming for blood.
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        • Posted by exceller 5 years, 4 months ago
          True.

          If you recall, Robespierre (he was a lawyer, BTW) in the name of the Jacobin, took control and he "introduced" the "Rein of Terror", for which he gained a dubious notoriety. In modern days ISIS bears similarity, and increasingly mobs and groups of leftist thugs in the US.

          Robespierre sanctioned rules by which it was sufficient for your neighbor or anyone to claim you were a traitor to the "cause" resulting in a guillotine event. The French sure can be proud of that.

          Robespierre reached a fitting death under the guillotine himself.

          He was the first hypocrite of national significance: he was against the death penalty but guillotined countless people, including the King and Queen of France. He was the first looter, too, demanding price controls and distribution of goods.

          "Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite" - a useless slogan from that era. The French did not see anything wrong with it when they had Hungary chopped into pieces after WW1.

          Macron is dead set against "nationalism", while at the same time the French are the most nationalistic and chauvinistic people you will ever find on this Earth.

          A nation of Hypocrisy.
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  • Posted by exceller 5 years, 4 months ago
    I posted this a week ago:

    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/paris-burni...

    Why are we re-posting links regularly? Isn't there a way to avoid duplication?
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    • Posted by Solver 5 years, 4 months ago
      Your actual Gulch link is,
      https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...

      You posted about this over a week ago. Since then we have seen the obvious non-reporting from the main stream news media.

      This protest involves much of Paris as well as all of France and other nations. I saw the police taking off their helmets to honor non-violent protesters. I saw hundreds of hospital abualances gathered together with their sirens running in protest. I also saw the violent rioters that looted, smashed and burned, reminding us of the KKK, Black Lives Matter and ANTIFA here in the US.

      The problems still exist, the protests continue.
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      • Posted by exceller 5 years, 4 months ago
        Yes, as I stated, I posted it a weak ago.

        Since then the protests escalated.

        Wouldn't you think they still belonged to the original post as we keep posting to news as they evolve over time?
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 4 months ago
          The problem is the board can only identify that you post the same link (then tells you that is is a repost). If you post a link of the same topic, but a different source, the board doesnt say a thing, and with the volume of posts, and the fact we may post in different subject areas, duplication is a risk. Sorry. But as something evolves, I also think you will find people will not go back to an older post to add to it, rather than just start a new thread with the new information.
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