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Nicholas Sandmann's Family Makes Major Move Against Fake News

Posted by  $  allosaur 3 weeks, 1 day ago to News
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WCPO reports that the family has hired L. Lin Wood, whom disgraced former journalist Dan Rather described as the "attorney for the damned" and who is known for "aggressive libel and slander suits against media organizations."
A newspaper reporter for 7 years during the Seventies, me dino learned in Troy State's journalism school that libel is written defamation and slander is spoken definition. I also learned not to do it. So, duh, I didn't.
And me dino would like to add, "Hey, Fake News! Reach for your wallets! They are about to be picked clean! You stupid pathetic fools! Bwahahaha!"
SOURCE URL: https://www.dailywire.com/news/42636/nicholas-sandmanns-family-makes-major-move-against-ryan-saavedra


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  • Posted by  $  Dobrien 3 weeks, 1 day ago
    Nothing is ever truly deleted on the internet. I am sure the attorneys will be reviewing these types of pronouncements. It seems the reporters should be reporting not judging. Many journalists and public figures on Twitter have deleted previous posts slamming a group of MAGA hat-wearing teens for allegedly taunting a Native American vet, after more footage was released disputing the initial story. From CNN’s Jake Tapper to Dilbert cartoonist Scott Adams, many on the internet are sharing a fuller explanation of the initial viral story.
    […]
    Recode editor and New York Times contributing op-ed writer Kara Swisher, for instance, deleted one tweet saying she was thinking of “finding every one of these shitty kids and giving them a very large piece of my mind,” and other tweets throwing slurs like “Nazi” and “nationalist.” Sinclair chief political correspondent Scott Thurman deleted a tweet alleging students in MAGA hats were “mocking” and “taunting” a Native American in front of the Lincoln Memorial in D.C., asking in a new tweet if the new video changed minds about the kids.
    Anti-Trump activist Ed Krassenstein deleted a neutral tweet contemplating the intentions of Nick Sandmann, the young MAGA student accused of smirking at a Native American. His brother, Brian Krassenstein, deleted a tweet calling the students “bigoted.” The New Republic‘s Jeet Heer deleted a tweet arguing the MAGA hat-wearing teens were “racist.” CNN’s Bakari Sellers deleted a tweet suggesting the kids should be “punched in the face.”
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    • Posted by  $  Solver 3 weeks, 1 day ago
      In the spirit of “the Internet never forgets”, here is a good video with a collection of just some of vicious posts certain people used during this week of insanity,
      https://youtu.be/F6_6jpLyjjI
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      • Posted by  $  3 weeks ago
        Looks like the school itself may have grounds to sue slanderers.
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        • Posted by  $  exceller 3 weeks ago
          My understanding is that Catholic Archdiocese intends to expel the students.
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          • Posted by  $  Thoritsu 2 weeks, 6 days ago
            The church can’t take any more bad press?

            Now that would be a great lesson for the kids! Perhaps they will reject the clown church or become Lutherans.
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            • Posted by ewv 2 weeks, 6 days ago
              If the teenagers have been led to believe that it would have been proper to throw them out if they had denigrated ethnicity mongering it will be yet another bad lesson for them.
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              • Posted by ewv 2 weeks, 4 days ago
                Whose the 'downvote' clown who thinks it would have been a good lesson for teenagers to have been thrown out of school for rejecting the left's obsession with the irrationalism of "ethnicity"?
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                • Posted by  $  2 weeks, 4 days ago
                  Me dino owns this thread.
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                  • Posted by ewv 2 weeks, 3 days ago
                    Perhaps not best to publicly admit the ownership -- Dino will be paying Poco's property tax on the wealth of information here.
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                    • Posted by  $  2 weeks, 3 days ago
                      Nyah! Just a figure of speech.
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                      • Posted by ewv 2 weeks, 2 days ago
                        Dino surely no dummy, but unlike in the Rearden trial, clear and logical use of concepts is no defense against the tax bureaucracy. Poco's property wealth tax applies to everything. Figure of speech is a kind of everything. Therefore wealth of information in Dino thread taxed and Dino not off the hook the way Rearden was.
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                        • Posted by  $  2 weeks, 2 days ago
                          And it's almost 1040 time too.
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                          • Posted by ewv 2 weeks, 2 days ago
                            Poco hasn't done it yet, but it will be retroactive, with additional penalties for not paying when it wasn't yet owed -- like states did with retroactive increases for the estate tax. Poco's property wealth confiscation tax isn't an income tax at all, but since it isn't constitutional, it will have to be collected with the 1040 income tax returns to pretend that it is. Rogers will say it's ok because it's a tax. You can look all this up now on Lasser's Your Income Tax 2022, Advance Crystal Ball Edition, or simply go by the guideline of the historical record.
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          • Posted by  $  Solver 3 weeks ago
            Was that before or after their apology letter to the parents?
            https://www.washingtonpost.com/dioces...
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            • Posted by  $  exceller 3 weeks ago
              Looks like it was before, and I trust it was.

              The fact remains that they jumped the gun similar to the media before all the details were in.

              One would expect more maturity from a religious organization.
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              • Posted by ewv 3 weeks ago
                We don't expect that. Even considering caving into and pandering to the hysterical ethnicity demagoguery was cowardly and irrational even if all they had seen was the early out of context videos.
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              • Posted by hattrup 2 weeks, 6 days ago
                Perhaps not this religious organization...the abuse track record is pretty ugly, and maturity is not a real organization objective. Although MSM does set a pretty low bar.
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              • Posted by  $  Solver 3 weeks ago
                They definitely prejudged those kids. In the apology letter they said they were pressured and bullied into doing it. I guess they believe in mobs of vengeful activists before what is right and just. Or maybe they just didn’t want their school burned down with the kids inside.
                https://newsforpolitics.com/verified-...
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                • Posted by ewv 3 weeks ago
                  What kind of moral coward is so easily "bullied" into that kind of pandering?
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                  • Posted by  $  Solver 3 weeks ago
                    In the olden days you could ask what kind a sheriff would let the angry mobs take his prisoner from him, to be tarred and feathered and lynched.

                    And this event reminded me of those days.
                    I guess that’s Progress(ive)
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                    • Posted by ewv 3 weeks ago
                      Yes it's progressive decline, and the decline is progressively accelerating. At least the old sheriff when forced to give in could say he was threatened by violence seizing the prisoner by force and he didn't grant the mob a moral sanction. Now adults are morally pandering to the mob that threatened with nothing but moral intimidation with its mob tribalist mentality posing as morality -- and were on the verge of sacrificing their own students to the demands of the mob.

                      That kind of moral surrender to the irrational only hastens the rise to power by the rabid, racist left. Today they hysterically smear the innocent, out of their own racism, and increasingly get away with it; imagine what such racist, irrational collectivists will do to people once they have the power to fully implement their ethnic racism, overtly targeting "whites", as they no longer hide and cheer on a trend to make "whites" a minority in the US. That bloody threat should frighten every civilized person.

                      Meanwhile we see a cowardly bulk 'downvoter' on this forum again personally trashing in silence all my posts. There are some anti-intellectual irrational and emotional militants here who have nothing in common with Ayn Rand and who do not belong on this forum. Ayn Rand was an advocate of reason and individualm who as a consequence denounced the ethnic racists, tribalists, and dogmatic irrationalists.
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                      • Posted by  $  Solver 3 weeks ago
                        I suspect similar things happened during the early rise of the radical National Socialist German workers party. Too many people, to afraid, let it happen.
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                        • Posted by ewv 3 weeks ago
                          It did. But the Germans had no individualistic tradition the way America does (what is left of it). The German "right" -- the nationalistic, conservative religious culture -- was a false alternative to the communist/socialist left and could not defend individualism and freedom against it. The result was the nationalist socialism of the Nazis as a compromise.

                          The failure in this country today to defend against ethnic religion and racism as in the leftist mob mentality supporting this chanting, drum-beating "Elder" against teenagers who didn't know what was happening to them is putting us in the same boat.
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                          • Posted by  $  Solver 3 weeks ago
                            Funny, I always though that the Nazis were about as progressive as it got. And when is a radical group that starts out as a workers political party called “right”?
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                            • Posted by ewv 2 weeks, 6 days ago
                              In the US the "right" has generally meant pro-individualist. There was no such philosophically individualist "right" in Germany. The "right" there referred to the nationalistic, conservative religious who resisted the communist left. The National Socialist Party rose to power as a compromise between the nationalists right and the communist socialist left. See Leonard Peikoff's *The Ominous Parallels" for more.

                              Ever since the breakup of the Hitler-Stalin pact the left has tried to brand anything not communist as the "right", deliberately pack dealing fascism with capitalism and anything else not communist.
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    • Posted by  $  3 weeks, 1 day ago
      Me dino would like to see that last 'un, Bakan Sellers, get punched with such a pricey settlement that he loses his house.
      Hope all of Fake News learns a very big expensive lesson.
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      • Posted by ewv 3 weeks ago
        In today's context even a proper libel suit victory could be exploited as a "precedent" by the other side politically or legally against any of us they accuse of being "racist" for rejecting what Ayn Rand called the "Global Balkanization" of the ethnicity mongers. The curremt very political public 'narrative' is centered on what the out of context videos did not show instead of on the teenagers' right to their own freedom of speech, let alone a proper rejection of the mentality of the ethnicity mongers.

        This is a good time to read or review Ayn Rand's "Global Balkanization" in The Return of the Primitive.
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      • Posted by  $  exceller 3 weeks ago
        I would like to see that as well.

        Sandmann has a good case since there is evidence by the tape of what really happened.

        The Muslim first time rep Ilham Omar also deleted her blog attacking the event. She is under pressure on other "comments" regarding Israel, as well. We really needed someone like her in Congress! (NOT)
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    • Posted by rainman0720 2 weeks, 6 days ago
      Interesting to note how much fanfare there was when these ugly tweets were originally posted, and how they were ever-so-quietly deleted once the full story was (finally!) shown.

      I have this fantasy about hitting a zillion dollars in one of the lotteries, setting aside enough for my wife and me to live comfortably for the rest of our lives (in a MUCH warmer climate, I might add), and spending every remaining dollar to buy one of these newspapers-turned-rag sheet and try and to make it an actual NEWS paper again. (edited to add a missed word)
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      • Posted by  $  2 weeks, 6 days ago
        That is one worthy fantasy. Now me dino wants that too. I even want to buy CNN. First thing I'll do is fire all the nasty talking heads and have cleaning crews scrub the floors and wipe down everything else.with strong antiseptic solutions. Even the ceilings will be cleaned.
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      • Posted by  $  exceller 2 weeks, 6 days ago
        Yes, those hate messages on FB and Twitter were all quietly deleted, as you said.

        Who will go after them? The Muslim woman from Minn, or the others? They are like criminals hiding in the dark now. You can't expect a democrat to own up to his/her vicious attack when it proves false. That describes their "moral" superiority very well. AOC better pay attention to facts, vs parroting her juvenile lectures on morality.
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  • Posted by ewv 3 weeks, 1 day ago
    They did show negligence on behalf of a "narrative" in their stories. But this is being described only in such terms. No one is challenging the multicultural ethnicity binge on which it is based. What if a group of teenagers had mocked an ethnic protestor mindlessly beating his drum? So what? Why should that be national news, and why should the multicultural ethnicity mongering be accepted as a premise by which everything is being judged?

    This is the same philosophical concession being made to Cortez promoting her contrived "facts" on behalf of a false morality -- with the criticism ignoring the false moral standard https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
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  • Posted by ycandrea 2 weeks, 6 days ago
    These innocent kids were caught in the middle of two groups of vicious, hateful adults. They and all those who posted racial, hateful lies about these kids need to pay. And this has got to stop. Just my two cents.
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  • Posted by KevinSchwinkendorf 2 weeks, 6 days ago
    I don't have a MAGA hat (yet, but maybe I should get one). I do have two camo-style Winchester hats. One is more subdued, but the other has "Winchester" in big bold red letters on the front. As many already know, Winchester was (along with Colt) the "Gun that Won the West." I wonder how Nathan Phillips would like my Winchester hat?
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    • Posted by  $  2 weeks, 6 days ago
      Me dino recalls reading that Winchester and Colt were loaded with the same .45 round. That added to the speed of loading when surrounded by whoever may be hostile.
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      • Posted by KevinSchwinkendorf 2 weeks, 6 days ago
        Original Winchester 1873s were not chambered in .45 Colt (it was a Colt proprietary cartridge at the time), but you could get both Winchester Model 1873s and Colt Single Action Army revolvers chambered in .44-40. (Modern reproductions of the Winchester '73 are available in .45 Colt for Cowboy Action Shooting competitions.) So, it is true that cowboys and other settlers in the Old West could buy just one type of ammo and use it for both their rifles and their sidearms. Another interesting tidbit about the M1873 and the .44-40: It was the first commercial centerfire metallic cartridge, which means it was reloadable - a big deal in the Old West when you were far from the nearest General Store. The earlier Henry rifle (and the "Improved Henry" also known as the Winchester Model 1866, or "Golden Boy") fired the .44 Henry Rimfire, which was not reloadable.
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        • Posted by  $  2 weeks, 6 days ago
          I'll accept your expertise. What I read I read decades ago and do not remember the source.
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          • Posted by KevinSchwinkendorf 2 weeks, 6 days ago
            Thanks - its been an interest of mine for a long time. I've got a nice gun collection, mostly Winchesters (but I like Weatherbys and Marlins too). You were correct about how cowboys in the early days used the same ammo for both rifles and handguns (in .44-40). If you put a .44-40 cartridge right alongside a modern .44 Magnum, it would be hard to tell the difference with the naked eye, but the .44 Magnum has almost twice the muzzle energy. Originally, the nomenclature was "bullet caliber-# of grains of black powder charge", so the .44-40 was a .44" diameter bullet, with 40 grains of black powder behind it. (The .44 Henry Rimfire typically had 28-30 grains of black powder, so the .44-40 was a significant increase in power.) "Smokeless" powder didn't replace black powder until around 1893-94, with the .30-40 Krag, but the now-famous .30-30 WCF (Winchester Centerfire) was close on its heels (1895). The Winchester Model 1894 came chambered in the .30-30, with better metallurgy (to withstand the greater pressures of smokeless powder)... cool stuff!
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            • Posted by  $  2 weeks, 6 days ago
              You do know your guns and ammo sharper than I do. I have six firearms. Living in Alabama,I conceal carry a 9mm Sig pocket pistol. Invited to a dove shoot back during the 90s, I bought an a Remington 12-guage pump pretty much like I had to annually NRA qualify with for tower duty at the prison I used to work at. Shot a mess of dove on that hunt by the way. Have a 9mm glove compartment gun that fires 17 shots.
              When Clinton said, "My dream is open borders" and I thought she'd win, I had a 30-shot 9mm carbine custom made with a AR-15 frame that I named "The Evil Hag."
              I also have a Smith & Wesson 357 Magnum with four speed loaders and .32-cal. Beretta Tomcat that shoots very straight for a little gun.
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              • Posted by KevinSchwinkendorf 1 week, 2 days ago
                Nice guns! That must have been an interesting job - prison guard in a tower!
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                • Posted by  $  1 week, 2 days ago
                  Guards in regular towers had it easy. Me dino was often placed in the at times tricky tricky tricky back gate tower where I operated an inner gate and an outer gate with a sally port in between.
                  Delivery trucks had to be searched going in and especially going out. I controlled another set of gates for a walkway where escorted inmates coming and going in and out of the prison were searched beneath my tower by other officers..
                  I could tell many a story of my experiences working on that blasted backstage tower.
                  During my 21-year career I fired a total of three warning shots (2 from the back gate tower and 1 from another) and have to framed commendations hanging in my home for stopping two escape attempts that totaled 3 inmates because 2 tired it together.
                  https://www.electricpowerdoor.com/app...
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              • Posted by ewv 2 weeks, 5 days ago
                You named your gun "The Evil Hag"? Why would you name an innocent gun after an assault weapon?
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                • Posted by  $  2 weeks, 5 days ago
                  I named that killing machine after Cackles Clinton only because she inspired me to have it constructed.
                  Due to it being a 9mm weapon, I can shoot it on the pistol range along with my pistols and 357 revolver without having to move over to the rifle range at my favorite indoor range, Hoover Tactical, located in the City of Hoover on the opposite side of Birmingham from where I live.
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  • Posted by NealS 2 weeks, 6 days ago
    I was wondering, if those people that made public comment (smears) about these minor children apologized immediately, can they still be held liable for their original comments? Situation being, any and all of those comments created situations where there were bomb threats, death threats, etc. that may have influenced the rest of the lives of those minors, their parents, and many others that verbally supported them. Most of my questions are based on what Nancy Pelosi taught us about politics, The Wrap-Up Smear, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_co...

    In context her speech really was broadcasting her own smear by saying that the Wrap-Up Smear was a tactic used by Republicans, basically that Democrats didn't use it. I imagine then that the Republicans must have used it against Kavanaugh, the border issues, racial issues, Israel, and, well everthing? I can see where it's been used by both (all) parties, but the volumes and mendaciousness of Smears, in my opinion, come from Democrats. It seems they bring out the accusing details in order to be the first to expose and blame someone else in order to cover up exactly what they are doing. Their follows only hear their claims and nothing else.

    In any case, I just hope that Wood is successful in bringing justice to the political and personal BS that so many of them are spewing today. It would be great if his suits were for all the students that were there that day and their families, and everyone else connected to this atrocity. If not perhaps he can at least set a precedent and more suits can follow. I would like to see a court order that actually brings someone like CNN down to total bankruptcy. That would make my day, well actually that would make my whole year.
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    • Posted by  $  Dobrien 2 weeks, 6 days ago
      The wrap up smear is what the deep state is doing to Trump with the Russian collusion lies.
      The evil hags team creates a phony dossier (the smear)
      It is given to Sen “no name”
      He shops it to Buzzfeed and yahoo.
      The fact that it was reported by them is part of the evidence used to get a FISA warrant. For the purpose to spy and then call for a special council to investigate with the intent to impeach Trump.
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    • Posted by ewv 2 weeks, 6 days ago
      The first step in a libel or slander suit is usually to demand a public retraction, which is what their lawyer did in this case, so as a practical matter for this case that answers your question.

      Whether or not they could have proceeded more aggressively because of the open recklessness and malice possibly resulting in permanent damage to reputation is a good question. But be careful in advocating pursuing the media and politicians to go after their tendency for inaccuracy because that approach soon runs up against the principle of freedom of speech, and without tha,t together with leftist judges deciding on punishment for what is allowed in speech, we are all finished.
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  • Posted by Abaco 3 weeks ago
    Well said, allosaur...
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    • Posted by Abaco 3 weeks ago
      This whole affair has been disgusting. Also a great example of how people uncloak via social media...calling for all kinds of terrible things to happen to those kids whether or not the kids had done anything wrong. Wasn't it Nietzsche who said, "Stare into the abyss long enough and it stares back into you."? This is why I no longer have some sort of public persona or window into my life like FB. It's disgusting... On the rare occasion when I've been approached to say something to the media it's, "No thanks..."
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      • Posted by ewv 3 weeks ago
        They had done nothing wrong even if they had done much of what they were falsely accused of by the ethnicity mongers. The out of context re-interpreted videos employed as alleged evidence show no sign of irrational behavior or false accusations from them, let alone violence or intimidation. Even the false accusations of "racism" are meaningless parroting of what the left calls anyone it doesn't like. So what if you are irrationally called a "racist" by multi-culturalist collectivists who rejects the meaning of the concept in their own racism? Not being "acceptable" to that mentality does not imply you have done anything wrong.
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  • Posted by  $  Solver 3 weeks, 1 day ago
    I hope the family earns at least a billion dollars and puts a big dent in this leftist postmodernism marxist craziness machine.
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  • Posted by  $  25n56il4 2 weeks, 4 days ago
    I studied young Nicholas' face while this farce was being played out. I spent a good deal of my life reading faces. He looked entirely happy and pleasant to me! Why did the crazies think he was being rude? Oh, yeah, because they are!
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    • Posted by ewv 3 weeks ago
      The chanting ethnic militant beating his drum has been exposed elsewhere for his fantasy account of the incident, and so has the ugly, taunting insults by the irrational and militant "Black Hebrew Israelites" mob. This article doesn't help by trying to wrap itself in martyrdom by calling the ethnic militant an "anti-Catholic", as if that were the essence, and trying to package-deal the event in terms of "the Faith" and Catholic anti-abortion dogma. The teenagers at the school are being indoctrinated with that line and may eventually learn otherwise, most of the rest of us -- especially on an Ayn Rand forum -- already know better.
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      • Posted by  $  2 weeks, 6 days ago
        Me dino is anti-abortion and I'm not even Catholic.
        Called on the phone today I pledged $60 or more to a group supporting federal legislation against murdering late very term babies or even just after they are born.
        Fresh in my thinking is that new law that has just been passed sicko lib politicians in New York State.
        Me dino gave you a +1. You have a right to your anti-religion opinion.
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        • Posted by ewv 2 weeks, 6 days ago
          Catholicism is the source of the modern anti-abortion movement. It's long ideological and political record of opposing both abortion and contraception is based on the religious mystical notion of a sacred "soul". It has led to great confusion by those prone to accept the religious idea of rights as intrinsic to whatever is gentically "human" as opposed to a moral concept objectively based on the requirements of the nature of a human being as a person, thereby sacrificing a woman's right to her own body for the sake of the mystical. A fetus is not a "baby".

          The article's attempt to promote rejection (which is widespread) of Catholic dogma and its violation of human rights as the cause of the ethnicity mongering by the "Native Elder" and his leftist supporters makes no sense.

          Dino: Me dino gave you a +1. You have a right to your anti-religion opinion. That is a lot better than the handful of religionists who militantly push their dogmas and try to undermine reasoned discussion on what is supposed to be an Ayn Rand forum. But reason, not faith, on such a forum is expected to be the normal, not an outlier only tolerated by right.
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          • Posted by  $  2 weeks, 6 days ago
            Well, you already know I'm a Christian and a dictionary definition mystic. I don't give a flip about someone calling me the so-called dreaded m-word.
            A Christian brother (the same mother kind) introduced me to Ayn Rand by giving me an Atlas Shrugged DVD three Christmases in a row until I had while thing.
            Ayn Rand being an atheist doesn't bother either of us and I think a lot of her philosophy.
            Just not 100% of it.
            I've learned a lot in The Gulch.
            By the way, I have used contraception and abortion stops a human heart.
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            • Posted by ewv 2 weeks, 5 days ago
              It doesn't stop a person's heart. Contraception ends "human" life, too -- genetically human living cells -- but not a person's. Good thing you Dino not a Catholic! At issue is the meaning and source of human, i.e. a person's, rights. It's not subjective.
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              • Posted by  $  2 weeks, 5 days ago
                I'm not being subjective at all. Also, it will waste both our time arguing over this.
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                • Posted by ewv 2 weeks, 4 days ago
                  As a general matter of the meaning of the subjective versus how to attain knowledge, including conceptualizing human rights, the process of knowledge is not arbitrary dogma based on feelings.

                  Knowledge is not infallible; it requires a method to remain in accordance with reality. The means of knowing is reason, based on the five senses perceiving reality and operating in accordance with logic. Faith in feelings is the opposite, attempting to bypass that with a shortcut to automatic knowledge.

                  The conflicting dogmas of different religions ascribing different versions of entitlements to the unborn are all subjective. They all seek automatic knowledge through faith without regard for the means, denying that consciousness has a specific nature requiring specific means for knowledge.

                  Unlike an ordinary subjectivist, the mystic subjectively proclaims revealed knowledge of the intrinsic to insist on the primacy of his own consciousness over that of others. Subjectively proclaiming to have knowledge of the intrinsic in the name of an absolute claimed to be not subjective does not make it any less subjective.

                  The clashing faiths, each proclaimed by its proponents to be absolute, with no means of adjudicating between their contradictions, leads to the infamous religious wars. Abandoning reason does make it a waste of time to argue between competing dogmas based on faith. But those with some respect for reason can try to understand what is at stake, not just over the abortion controversy but much more.

                  The case of anti-abortion and anti-contraception laws based on competing faiths is another example of faith and force, denying to different degrees a woman the right to her own body. A Protestant (or anyone else) proclaiming a feeling of mystical entitlement of a fetus to be born, to be enforced by criminal law, while deigning to allow contraception at an earlier stage does not get him off the hook from the Catholics, who have equally arbitrary views about clusters of cells demanded to be protected against contraception. They even argue over which methods of contraception are to be allowed by the different dogmas of competing faiths.

                  All of it is gross violation of rights of real, living people for the sake of subjective, mystic belief in an alleged absolute, whether or not posturing as not subjective.
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