The Empire’s Sea of Woes, by Robert Gore

Posted by $ straightlinelogic 1 year, 6 months ago to Government
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Empire is America's noose, hubris America's curse. Once upon a time it didn't matter much to the American people or their politicians what happened in Asia, Africa, the Middle East, or even Europe. During the nineteenth century, for the most part we minded our own business, and what a business it turned out to be. America became the world's industrial, technological, and commercial powerhouse.

Success may be the hardest human condition to endure. Few individuals withstand it. For empires, it's always temporary. They fail and topple from the pinnacle with monotonous regularity. Preceding the fall is that heady feeling of invincibility, just as the those you scorned, ignored, or subjugated on the way up are putting in place their plans to take you down.

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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 1 year, 6 months ago
    Being a businessman, Trump expects something in return for America's foreign ventures. He's called NATO on sharing cost, which previous presidents whined about, but didn't take a hard line. Japan, partly at his urging, and mostly because of discomfort at China's aggressiveness, just tripled its order for F-35s, and has operational plans to deploy them on its small carriers in STOVL mode. That strengthens the military balance in Asia without further strain on US military and puts more dollars in our aerospace market.

    Africa may not be on many people's radar, but Trump policies there have also had positive effects. Somalia's Al Shabab terrorists have been subject to increasingly effective airstrikes by US forces. The price the African Alliance has had to pay is transparency in US aid efforts. No more aid money going into African bureaucrats' bank accounts, with money going where it can help the people. The Trump foreign policy is a strong quid pro quo. No more American dollars and lives for nothing.

    The nineteenth century isolationism worked because we had few international connections, thanks to an abundance of domestic resources. We are now so internationally wound into the world market flow of goods, services, and finance that we ignore foreign crises at our peril. It would be exceedingly difficult to disentangle ourselves from the world and become isolated again, maybe impossible. Is that a globalist plot, or the circumstance of our success?
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  • Posted by Dobrien 1 year, 6 months ago
    Thanks for your prospective Robert. As always well written.
    I agree with much of what you present.This I wholeheartedly disagree with. “Trump’s foreign and military policy is indistinguishable from the policy of Bush father and son, Clinton husband and wife, Cheney, Obama, and the rest of the neoconservative/neoliberal clown posse who run this country. “
    The deep state is his enemy and all you mentioned in the above statement are part of it except Trump. He has made tremendous progress in Korea he wiped out ISIS formed by Obama and HRC . He is getting NATO members to pay up and he will solve the Iranian
    Nuke efforts. He certainly won’t be sending them planes full of cash.
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    • Posted by $ 1 year, 6 months ago
      How would you differentiate Trump's foreign and military policy from the aforementioned people's?
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      • Posted by Dobrien 1 year, 6 months ago
        I edited and added some of the differences you asked me to relate.
        I will also add the renegotiated trade deals and
        Leaving the Paris Climate accord.
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        • Posted by $ 1 year, 6 months ago
          I'll agree with you on the Paris Climate accord. I defy you to find any material difference between his Nafta and the old one. He did leave the TPP, which was good. He talked a good game on making NATO members pay up, but so far they haven't paid up. North Korea I'll concede, but I'll also note that John Bolton is doing his damndest to torpedo what progress has been made, and Trump hasn't put him on a leash. Trump didn't knock out ISIS, Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, and Syria did. My guess is that Iran and the other signatories of the Iranian nuclear agreement will not renegotiate, but Trump certainly did not follow in Obama's footsteps there. Hardcore neocons Pompeo and Bolton are pushing for a play right out of George W. Bush's playbook: invade Iran. If Trump goes along with that nonsense, he will deserve the ensuing disaster.

          Meanwhile, Trump's Middle Eastern policy is essentially to ask how high when the Saudis, Israelis, and US neocons say jump. Nothing new there. He's upped Hillary Clinton and Obama's vitriol towards Russia, after saying during the campaign he would pursue a different path. We are still in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria with no signs of getting out. We still have over 800 military bases around the world, and spend more on military and intelligence than the next seven nations combined. In light of all that, I would hardly say Trump is the Deep State's enemy. He's pursuing policies they've long promoted and providing ample funds, much of which will undoubtedly go to waste, as it has in the past.

          So yes, he gets some style points for the North Korean effort, the climate accord, and perhaps for making Europe pay, but these are marginal, overwhelmed by the Deep State policies he hasn't changed at all.
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          • Posted by Dobrien 1 year, 6 months ago
            The deep state cancer has virtually decimated the worlds potential . Trump has been under constant attack , impeded and thwarted at every level.
            In two short years he has done more fighting for my values then all presidents combined in my life .
            You are right that the Firmly entrenched deep state policies are overwhelming.
            We agree on many issues Robert , I try to read all your essays . I can’t say what Pompeo or Bolton’s influence is that you may be privy too. I think Trump may have an impossible task but he is fighting for US and the more the left freaks out about him the more progress he is making. I
            Follow Q drops as you know. Q is close to Trump
            and they are working hard to Awaken the public, with the fake news that is impossible. Q is direct to the public. We have seen the cleaning out of the FBI the DOJ , plus Kavanaugh and Gorsich and we will soon see the 65,000 sealed indictments bring pain to the bad actors.
            An estimate of 60,000,000 worldwide follow Q.
            Many yellow jackets had Q references on them.
            https://www.google.com/search?q=Q+ano...
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 1 year, 6 months ago
    Hell of an article Robert...
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    • Posted by $ 1 year, 6 months ago
      Thanks. It's not getting much of a response here in the Gulch. The articles in which I criticize US foreign policy seldom do.
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 1 year, 6 months ago
        I hadn't noticed, it was painful though.
        The thing that bothers me most and it's not directed at you nor your articles, (which I have always enjoyed) is the blame upon, "America" in general, (that's what hurts), and not specifically directed at a government that hasn't represented "America" in a very long time.

        Can you relate to that, Robert?..or am I oversensitive.

        We all bare a responsibility but even when we exercise that responsibility, they do what they want anyway. We should have recalled them as quickly as possible...but of course, I am assuming that everyone is engaged and aware and I too, have not always been.
        It's a full time job.
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        • Posted by $ 1 year, 6 months ago
          You make a good point. A government is neither the country nor its people. Like most commentators, I am guilty of using the shorthand notations "America," "the US," "our country," "our nation," "our (insert noun)," and Washington when I'm in fact referring to the US government. Since I'm almost always criticizing the government, such shorthand, if taken literally, would denote some sort of collective guilt. How can I, you, or anyone else who is against virtually everything a government does be guilty of anything it does? Any one of us could devote every waking hour to the task of honestly changing what the government does and have no effect. One cannot be responsible for outcomes over which one has no control.

          In the future, I'll try to make a clear differentiation between the US government and its people, either individually or collectively.
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          • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 1 year, 6 months ago
            I'll be looking to see how you handle that, if you don't mind, because I have been grappling with the language, the wording, the nouns to be used myself.

            Kakistocracy is my favorite but in the context inwhich we are discussing...it's not effective because the world is ruled by the worst and least qualified.
            The noun needs to be specific to the subject...perhaps US government would suffice but I can't help feeling there must be a better designation that perhaps would have the impact that is needed.

            The "deep state" is a good one but it triggers thoughts of conspiracy...even though it really is, our readers get turned off. That is not what we want but we want to be honest at the same time too.

            I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.
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  • Posted by Lucky 1 year, 6 months ago
    In the years round 1800, the Barbary States, a part of the Ottoman Empire engaged in piracy, capturing slaves, extortion and ransom.
    Seafaring nations found it expedient to 'bribe' the pirates. The Europeans had treaties with the pirates. Tribute was paid for passage through the Mediterranean.

    After independence, the US was not given the safe passage being no longer part of the agreement with Britain. Muslim pirates held that they had the right to plunder American ships as Americans were infidels.
    Pres Jefferson disagreed. The resultant war was long with a settlement in 1815.

    Principles of non intervention, minding one's own business, keeping to one's own borders, transactions only by mutual agreement and such like have a fine sound but are worthless against those who do not hold them. They want what you have got, they will take it if you do not defend.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 1 year, 6 months ago
    Interesting essay, yet you don't offer any alternatives for US policy here or abroad? Are you intimating that the US should withdraw from the world? The US can't be Galt's Gulch and disappear from the world. What do you have to offer? What could happen next year with the Dimm's in power is that they will proceed witth impeachment of the President and the Vice President. Then install Nancy Pelosi as President which will be the first American Coup d'etat. Right now I see a weak Republican Party that can't get their act together. The Dimm's could roll right over them. The Dimm's could make life miserable for the rest of the citizens of the US. Then, just maybe a New Revolution or Civil War could erupt if the Dimm's restrict gun ownership. That will be the first thing on their collective consciousness. They want a cowed population under their control. They will definitely subvert the US Constitution.more than BHO tried to do.
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    • Posted by $ 1 year, 6 months ago
      I offer the same thing George Washington advised: trade and peaceful intercourse with all nations of the world so willing, alliance with or domination of none. That's not the US withdrawing from the world, that's the US observing the Golden Rule.
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  • Posted by Abaco 1 year, 6 months ago
    "taxpayers might get the idea that they—not the state and its wards—own their own lives" (collective GASP!)

    I don't think we'll get there, but I've been wrong before. While reading this I can't help but think of California. We are in very serious trouble out here. Can no longer escape the homeless: drug-addled, mentally ill, down on their luck. They're everywhere - approaching us in out little neighborhood park, camping along the river for many miles, standing at every busy intersection. I'm hearing a lot of people around here speaking in despair...working, family people.
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