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What were voters thinking electing Ocasio-Cortez

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If voters (even in NY) send a woman like Ocasio Cortez to the House, what does that say about the electorate?
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  • Posted by Abaco 1 month ago
    Watch the movie Idiocracy.

    Years ago my golf buddy said, "If you read Atlas Shrugged and watch Idiocracy you get full clarity." Very true...
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  • Posted by  $  AJAshinoff 1 month ago
    easy "Free stuff"

    Now that O and the Ds pushed through O-care and the Rs are reluctant to restore order the moochers feel entitled and that they could lose something. Of course they will pick any nitwit who promises them the moon even is it is filled with shit..
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    • Posted by ewv 1 month ago
      No, it is not that easy. A lot of people like to get something for free. It doesn't make them socialists. Neither does "Republicans are reluctant to restore order", whatever that means.
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      • Posted by Marty_Swinney 2 weeks, 5 days ago
        As my best friend (and the man who introduced me to Ayn Rand back in 1972) reportedly told a liberal petitioner when she asked him if he didn't like free stuff: "Sure, I'm all in favor of free stuff, as long as I don't have to put a gun to the head of my neighbors."
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        • Posted by ewv 2 weeks, 5 days ago
          A lot of leftists agree with that -- so they have the government use the gun. People who wouldn't dream of robbing their neighbors have no qualms over voting for it. It's one indication of how it takes more than the superficial "want free stuff" to explain a socialist willing to submit himself and everyone else to collectivist domination in the name of morality.
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      • Posted by LibertyBelle 1 month ago
        "It doesn't make them socialists."--Oh, NO-O?!
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        • Posted by ewv 1 month ago
          No, it isn't what creates socialists, which is much more serious and much deeper.
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          • Posted by  $  1 month ago
            I wonder if anyone ran an analysis on how many of those who want free stuff voted for the left, aka socialists on the way to communists?

            Want to bet that not many would be found in the R camp?

            Would you care to elaborate what do you mean by "socialist being much more serious and much deeper"?

            I grant you that probably only a small percentage of the free stuff crowd heard about Marx or Engels. But even in the Bolshevik revolution in 1919 not many understood what they were fighting about, other than all hated the czar and the first thing they did when won to kill him and his family.

            In socialism there is an elite just like in any other "-ism" based society. They need the crowd to rule. The last thing they want if for the crowd to think. Government was doing the thinking, at least that is what the crowd is being told and all they need to do in exchange is being obedient and keep the elites in power.
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            • Posted by ewv 1 month ago
              A lot of people like to get something for free, but that desire does not by itself account for either emotionally or explicitly embracing a collectivist political system with its demands for sacrifice as an ethics -- with or without a formal understanding of Marx and the rest of that ilk.

              That doesn't mean that the Democrat ethnic hordes don't want us to provide them with what they want for "free", but there is a lot more to the mentality than just wanting free gifts. In fact they tend not to think of it as gifts for free at all, but an impersonal entitlement to be taken care of without regard to the source -- the last thought to enter their minds is to feel gratitude let alone say "thank you". Personal considerations of who is providing the wealth enters only in their resentment, envy, and hatred of the demons they call "rich". That kind of personal demonization doesn't account for the rest of what they embrace. (Murdering the czar was only one example.)
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              • Posted by  $  1 month ago
                Of course they don't feel gratitude. The left told them it is a right to demand free things.

                It has gone so far as to the migrant crowd approaching our Southern border is suing the administration for attempting to prevent their entering, on the basis that it is their right to come to the US.

                We are getting close to the insanity of the Europeans who openly embrace migrants who are better than their own citizens, they say. They are entitled to the same benefits as the citizenry.
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                • Posted by ewv 4 weeks, 1 day ago
                  That kind of irrationalism is one of the differences between the socialism and simply wanting something for free.
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                  • Posted by  $  4 weeks, 1 day ago
                    I am still perplexed by your distinction when saying those who want more for free are not socialist.

                    What are they? Have you seen this looter crowd supporting anything else but the socialists, which is of course the ruling party in Germany, France and Spain?
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                    • Posted by ewv 4 weeks, 1 day ago
                      That looter crowd is socialist. Not everyone who likes getting something for free is a collectivist. It takes more than wanting to get something for free to be a socialist demanding it be distributed by government.
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                      • Posted by  $  4 weeks, 1 day ago
                        I get that.

                        But would like to know nonetheless how do you categorize the "not everyone who likes to get something for free"? You say they are not collectivists and not socialists.

                        Then what are they?
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                        • Posted by ewv 4 weeks ago
                          When you go to a store and like taking advantage of a sale "buy one get one fee", does that make you a socialist? The motives of a collectivist are much deeper than "free stuff".
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                          • Posted by  $  4 weeks ago
                            You have a point.

                            The fact still remains that those voting for a candidate who promises free stuff are usually voting for a socialist/communist, because they are the ones promising it.
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                            • Posted by ewv 4 weeks ago
                              The fact is that such an explanation does not address the cause. 'Here now want free stuff' is an anti-intellectual, percept-bound non-explanation.

                              When someone demands free government medical care as a "right" and all one can say in response is that he wants it for free, the response from those who support it or don't know any better is only "of course he does, so turn it over".

                              "What were voters thinking electing Ocasio-Cortez?" What they were taught to think. And the American sense of life that used to cause them to revolt against the consequences is disappearing.
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                              • Posted by  $  4 weeks ago
                                You are condoning all and every action/policy the left is suffocating this country with.

                                I don't want to be harsh but you often sound cynical. It is your business, of course, but it does not pass as a rational explanation or even an attempt to find solution. Are you saying we just have to sit back and wait until all of us are killed off by the left? That is the ultimate goal, just as it was Stalin's to execute tens of millions to "purify" communist ranks. Many of the elite in Europe are of the conviction that it was worth the price.
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                                • Posted by ewv 4 weeks ago
                                  I have not condoned anything the left is doing. The anti-intellectual conservative response to it is not an answer. Rejecting it as hopelessly ineffective is not condoning the left.
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  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 1 month ago
    They obviously weren't...thinking, just reacting to they zombie instincts.
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    • Posted by  $  Solver 1 month ago
      It’s crazy simple. These Z voters want free stuff and want other people to pay more for it.
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      • Posted by  $  1 month ago
        What the Z voters are not aware of that in a communist country where everything is "free" (schooling, health care, housing, etc), the only way the government (because this is full government control) can sustain this "system" is to spread the expenses evenly, e.g. not only that other people have to pay for it but YOU have to pay for it as well.

        Has this nitwit Ocasio-Cortez checked what salaries are in a communist country? In a best case scenario they are one tenth of what workers make in the US or other developed countries, or less.

        I bet their enthusiastic steam would diminish considerably if they knew that they would be paid $500 per month vs $10,000-$20,00 or more.

        Ask anyone who have been visiting any of the communist countries in Central Europe under Soviet control, why these countries were favorite destinations? They could not buy enough goods to feel even a dent in their vacation expenses. A luxury apartment in the center of the capital was rented for $1 - $10 a month.

        It would be useful if they "gimme" crowd would be aware of this fact.
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  • Posted by  $  Dobrien 1 month ago
    How about the woman beating Muslim Keith Ellison elected as Minnesota Atty Gen.
    Who wants to abolish ICE have open borders a sanctuary state and to stop the investigation into $100,000,000.00 sent to the Middle East from tax payers money through fraud at Muslim daycares.These many centers have one or two class rooms for 20-25 students yet have several hundred students registered.
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  • Posted by  $  mshupe 1 month ago
    Well it NYC, and like almost all large urban areas, they should be expected to vote stupid. The political maps tell us that's how it works. A snake is a snake. A is A.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 1 month ago
    The voters didn't have to think. Her constituency has been carefully and fully conditioned to follow identity politics spewed by the left. "Cute Hispanic Female" is all they needed to know. By golly, she doesn't even have to know how to spell "socialist" or even know the first three words of the preamble of the U. S. Constitution.

    Add to that the tainted nobody put up by the GOP.

    I suspect that Cortez is only a facade or curtain placed right up front for all to see. The real power is whomever is hiding behind the curtain we are to pay no attention to.
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    • Posted by ewv 4 weeks ago
      And most conservatives are the last to identify the philosophical premises behind the curtain, substituting conspiracy theories imagining what is causelessly behind the curtain.
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      • Posted by  $  4 weeks ago
        "most conservatives are the last to identify the philosophical premises behind the curtain, substituting conspiracy theories imagining what is causelessly behind the curtain. "

        So you think the left are not concocting conspiracy theories?

        Would you elaborate, or provide examples for your "observation"?
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        • Posted by ewv 4 weeks ago
          Conservatives typically try to explain political trends with an 'evil man' theory of history, without regard for how fundamental ideas drive the course of a society. The extreme versions concoct all kinds of imagined conspiracies claimed to 'must' be the cause.
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  • Posted by  $  nickursis 1 month ago
    Folks, it had a lot to do with this:

    https://nypost.com/2018/10/30/gop-dit...

    The republicrats in NY should all be ejected, their party disbanded, and a new party drawn up, as they had to be in bed with the dumbocraps to not vet their candidate. They allowed her a free pas. That is, unless someone WANTED a "child" to go to congress and then become the screaming meltdown queen of the left everytime she cannot get "free stuff" and is rudely forced to face reality, that no one cares about her agenda, and she will be told to shut up and sit down. Once the FISA is revealed, there will be very little left of the current leadership in the house, as well as seeing how many indictments take them out as well. Then, in a new election, things may change for the better.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 1 month ago
      Thanks for providing the details that she was effectively unopposed, Nick.

      "Once the FISA is revealed, there will be very little left of the current leadership in the house"
      From your post to Galt's ears, but wishing won't make it happen. (Nor will believing in a shadowy figure who spouts numerology instead of providing objective evidence.)
      I would love to see all the looters prosecuted, but from my observation of the ethics of current bureaucrats, I doubt there will be charges brought on looters by looters. They do not see the wrong as wrong. AS portrayed today's reality.
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      • Posted by  $  nickursis 1 month ago
        Quite understandable, I hear that a lot from eople. I only rely on what I have read of Q posts, what has actually happened, and some of the deciphering, as, as Q says, "disinformation is necessary". Q openly admits some stuff is made for the other side to latch onto. They have to. I do believe Trump will use the FISA declas as a hammer for a lot of things, one of which is the Five Eyes intelligence network, and one is to prove criminal intent by a large group involved. But, we do have to see where this goes. You are not wrong to be skeptical, it requires faith in the idea there are some good guys left, who do not want the huge monster to continue.
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      • Posted by term2 1 month ago
        I might vote in 2020 for Trump if he is on the ballot- just as a short term defensive measure to keep my oxen from being gored by the leftists. But other than for that, I think the thing to do is either just not vote and give up on politics in the USA until a real objectivist has a shot to win, OR just vote for the wildest socialist out there to get this madness over with.

        In the meantime, I think we are going to see Trump 2.0 unleashed- he will do whatver he can get away with against the liberals now.
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        • Posted by ewv 1 month ago
          Why would engage in rampant nihilism destroying your own life to "get it over with"? What do you think would ever cause "a real objectivist" to have "a shot to win"?
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          • Posted by term2 1 month ago
            We RESPECTFULLY disagree on this, but for all the reasons AR. Pursued the story line in AS
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            • Posted by ewv 1 month ago
              Ayn Rand did not pursue her fictional storyline to advocate nihilism destroying your own life to "get it over with". That is not what Atlas Shrugged is about or advocates. We have been through this before and you circle back and forth, unable to defend it but emotionally returning to it.
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              • Posted by term2 1 month ago
                I don’t think she advocated destroying ones own life, and I wouldn’t advocate destroying my life either. But continuing to support the collectivists destroys my life eventually anyway. In AS the assumption was that Galt could promote change in a short time, after which rationality would take hold. That part is a nice story, but I think the time frame is a lot longer in reality.

                Voting for the socialists instead of the intellectually challenged pseudo individualists won’t change things at all really, even though it’s emotionally satisfying

                Believe me, I try to influence people to be more rational in their thinking, and perhaps in 50 years collectivism will no longer be the preferred ideology in the USA. I would like this process to be faster, and it’s frustrating to see how things are going
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                • Posted by ewv 1 month ago
                  You said "either just not vote and give up on politics in the USA until a real objectivist has a shot to win, OR just vote for the wildest socialist out there to get this madness over with".

                  Voting for the "wildest socialist" to "get this madness over with" is nihilistic self destruction. Now you say that it is "emotionally satisfying".

                  You did not answer what you think would ever cause "a real objectivist" to have "a shot to win" and how that is helped by not voting at all.
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 4 weeks, 1 day ago
                    "get this madness over with"
                    The story of the world becoming decadent causing the gods to destroy the world, except for a righteous few, paving the way for a new pure world crops up everywhere. It's in the Epic of Gilgamesh, the old story know. My guess is it's not because the story was passed from one culture to another but because we're adapted to have this urge. Maybe it had a selective advantage in causing us to keep clean. I'm just guessing.

                    I am categorically against giving into this flood myth urge. It is especially unreasonable when respect for human rights is increasing along the long arc of human history.
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                  • Posted by term2 1 month ago
                    Interesting question. I think that willingness to accept real objectivist thinking on a mass scale will require the current collectivist system to fail miserably. Example- the masses will want to keep access to "free health care" as long as there iIS health care. Once the hospitals and doctors just arent around to give good care, they will start to be more receptive to someone coming up with free market solutions
                    Given that current voting choices are variations of collectivism, whats the point of voting unless just to slow down the march to complete collectivism (which in the case of older people, I can understand actually as I did that by voting for Trump).
                    The whole thing is very upsetting as there are no good alternatives that do not have side effects. One thing that can be done is to cut personal spending so as to cut the need for income (which is taxed) and cut the amount of sales taxes paid. Less money to the government means less control they exert over us all.
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                    • Posted by ewv 1 month ago
                      Collectivism always fails, which does nothing to increase understanding of why it fails and what is right. The dramatic failure of socialized medicine in Britain, for example, has done nothing to create a demand for freedom, let alone "real Objectivist thinking". The collectivism is entrenched because it is what people accept despite its failures.

                      The "point of voting" is to support an occasional good candidate and slow down the worst as long as it does make a difference. That in itself is no more a long term solution than deliberately causing a suicidal collapse. It buys time, while it is still possible at all, to spread better ideas.
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                      • Posted by term2 1 month ago
                        Buying time of course has the unintended consequence of extending the appeal of collectivism and supporting its power over us all. Look at the effect of the oil revenue on Venezuela. When the people who knew how to get the oil out of the ground left, the socialist regime started to fail. If the oil fields blew up now, maduro would be eliminated right away when he couldnt pay the masses their stipends. Would they magically adopt objectivist solutions- NO. I agree it takes education for that to happen, but the collapse of collectivism provides the impeteus for change.
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                        • Posted by CircuitGuy 4 weeks, 1 day ago
                          "collectivism provides the impeteus for change."
                          People have been doing collectivism for a long time, along with other things like slavery. The bad philosophies preceded respect for property, but preceding a thing is not causing a thing. Increasing slavery is not a way to reduce slavery. Slavery and not respecting property rights are actually getting better. We need to extend that, not go backward.
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                          • Posted by term2 4 weeks, 1 day ago
                            I was addressing the issue that assisting the collectivists in the USA by supporting the economy that they benefit from and control simply makes the collectivist regime last longer. I feel like a slave in many ways today and more so every day. If u were on welfare I would be even more of a slave. It’s not getting better; it’s getting worse and our tax money is contributing to that
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                        • Posted by ewv 4 weeks, 1 day ago
                          "Buying time" has the intended consequence of living to enjoy your own values regardless of what else exists. You don't sacrifice yourself in a fit of nihilism just to see a collectivist go down. The good, not evil, is what is important. If you continue to live as a human being in a way that you otherwise could not, then so what if some zero survives another day. It isn't important.
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                          • Posted by term2 4 weeks, 1 day ago
                            Actually I agree with you. I think the time required for our society to collapse is much too long for me to enjoy any rebirth. Plus the time it takes for people here to re educate themselves is probably measured in generations
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                            • Posted by ewv 4 weeks ago
                              Sadly, the time to collapse may not be long. It depends on what happens along the way. But it isn't required for reform, which is easier starting from some semblance of civilized life. Time for the proper education is long. The question is, is enough left of the American sense of life to hold off or overthrow the collectivists long enough for the required education.
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                              • Posted by  $  4 weeks ago
                                It is even more complex than that. It is a multivariable equation that has to work out right.

                                It is not only our schools that are failing. It is parents, society, workplace, etc., which are all contributing to the disfunction over time.

                                Take parents for example: what do children "learn" from them? In most households the youngsters are left to themselves to learn and be prepared for life. Parents don't want anything to do with them and they grow up like weeds, without any directions. Parents think it is the schools that must prepare them, and we know what schools do: giving us the snowflakes.
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                                • Posted by ewv 4 weeks ago
                                  Parents pass on what they believe. It ranges from neglect in formal education to sophisticated, expensive education promoting false philosophical premises, but all of it reinforcing what the parents accept. Blaming the problem on "parents" while neglecting the ideas being spread is hopelessly inadequate and misleading. It's like blaming. in the name of being "more complex", losses in an ideological war for world conquest on "the sergeants didn't tell the infantry enough what to do".
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                              • Posted by term2 4 weeks ago
                                I would estimate we are at a 50-50 tipping point as to the "american sense of life". The young people are primarily true socialists as are the immigrants from central america and mexico- and they are replacing the baby boomers who are dying off.

                                This means to me that whether we help the collectivists destroy the country or not, it will be essentially destroyed before we tip the educational scales to a sufficient degree to help reverse the process. My estimate is like 50 years of slow and agonizing destruction of our civilization before it just collapses, or is taken over by a foreign power like china.

                                On the positive side, I see people to a larger degree accepting that the MSM is crooked and not to be believed. In addition, although conspiracy theories arent universally accepted, people have much less trust in government in general and politicians in particular. This is indicated by the election of Trump, and his recent advertising banners "promises made... promises kept" (we never used to see this sort of advertising).
                                Another positive influence, which would would probably disagree with, is the abject failure of socialism in relatively close-by countries like Venezuela. Although it doesnt get much press so far, once it gets to the point where masses of people are dying, it might more attention.

                                Most socialist countries like Russia, China, Cuba, and most of Europe limp along without mass deaths, which promotes the hope that socialism CAN work if done right.

                                I agree it would be preferable if OUR society didnt collapse around our ankles.
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        • Posted by  $  1 month ago
          "I think the thing to do is either just not vote and give up on politics in the USA until a real objectivist has a shot to win, OR just vote for the wildest socialist out there to get this madness over with."

          You should not join the mob.

          Even though it is a protracted process which will eventually lead to complete terror and totalitarianism, I always believed in the American people that when things get very much out of control they step in to straighten things out. The "people who stick to their guns and religion".
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          • Posted by ewv 1 month ago
            American people have resisted tyranny in the past because of their sense of life of American individualism, not "guns and religion". That American sense of life, with its historical roots in the Enlightenment of centuries ago, has been progressively decaying under the onslaught of the intellectual establishment and its counter Enlightenment collectivism, and cannot survive without explicit intellectual defense.

            Ayn Rand discussed this several times, such as in her analysis of the Nixon-McGovern election in which McGovern lost by a landslide despite the intellectuals supporting him, while she warned that there is inadequate explicit opposition that can sustain the American sense of life. Today the Democrats are even more extreme, open collectivists than McGovern was and are winning elections, with many more very close. Ordinary people are increasingly wondering if we should "try socialism", in health care and much more.

            You cannot count on the American people continuing to "step in to straighten things out" indefinitely without explicit, philosophical defense of reason and individualism.
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          • Posted by term2 1 month ago
            If in fact the american people will step in and straighten things out when they get very much out of control, would it not be logical to speed up this march to socialism and get the country to that point when the americans step in?

            Perhaps that would take more than a generation, which would subject the people currently living to a worse life than if the resistance slows down the process. I am willing to accept this caveat.

            I am also curious if you look at Atlas Shrugged as more of a documentary than a novel, with the actions of Francisco in destroying his mine, Ragnar by sinking ships, and Galt by "stopping the motor of the world" as actions just allowing the collectivist ideology to run its natural course. Once the economy collapsed, the people were more ready to accept the more rational alternative ideas. Galt presented.
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            • Posted by ewv 1 month ago
              You are still confusing fiction with what it takes to change the course of a nation through the ideas that people understand and accept. You know that but keep returning to an emotional desire for a shortcut by collapsing civilization that you cannot defend.
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              • Posted by term2 1 month ago
                I am not arguing that a coherent plan to change the course of the nation is required. That in itself will change the politics.

                What I am saying is that until a fountain of youth is discovered, I will be LONG LONG dead before that process even gets a foothold. So, why would I be interested in supporting a process that will most likely take generations? Short term fixes to make MY life better seem to be a better bet. I am changing my mind about the voting for the wildest socialist (and havent done that in the past)- in thinking about the time frames, it would take too long for that approach to work for me to benefit. It is enticing to find a shorter term solution, but perhaps there is none, and I will have to just live with a declining society here for the rest of my time. Maybe I can find a better place to live out my days, either in a remote USA location with less collectivist leanings, or somewhere outside the USA
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                • Posted by ewv 4 weeks, 1 day ago
                  The full process certainly is longer than any of our lifetimes, but it exists within our lifetimes, and so was the process culminating in the Enlightenment and the founding of this country as a free nation longer than those who slowly crawled out of the abyss of the Dark and Middle Ages as they pursued what they thought was the good along with their own values.

                  There are no shortcuts to spreading the right ideas and no "short term solutions" -- other than some specific political battles that are still possible to win -- beyond whatever progress we may make that can make life better or not as bad as it otherwise would be. Isn't that worth it? Both that and knowing that you are fighting for a rational goal proper to humanity are reasons to keep fighting.

                  It does not mean to sacrifice your life to an unattainable goal you'll never see, outside your life and therefore outside your standard of value. If you can find a better place to live, then do it. And it doesn't mean to sacrifice a chosen career to 'saving the world'. But whatever you do, 'buying time' means both time to fight for better ideas and the time span and values of your own life and those you care about.

                  Scientists routinely struggle for ideas they may never see in final form, let alone the technological results. But they pursue their own goals for understanding and for what is right without sacrificing themselves to a future in which they won't exist to enjoy, and we are grateful that they have. What would have happened if Newton had quit because he wouldn't live to see the space station, or those who risked everything for the American Revolution had instead holed up on "strike" or supported the wildest British tyrant in a nihilistic fit to "get it over with"? They didn't live to experience the best consequences of their work, but they also benefited enormously from how they lived.

                  In "Don't Let It Go" written in 1971 on behalf of the American sense of life, Ayn Rand concluded,

                  "Can this country achieve a peaceful rebirth in the foreseeable future?

                  "By all precedents, it is not likely. But America is an unprecedented phenomenon. In the past, American perseverance became, on occasion, too long-bearing a patience. But when Americans turned, they turned. What may happen to the Welfare State is what happened to the Prohibition Amendment.

                  "Is there enough of the American sense of life left in people—under the constant pressure of the cultural-political efforts to obliterate it? It is impossible to tell. But those of us who hold it, must fight for it. We have no alternative: we cannot surrender this country to a zero—to men whose battle cry is mindlessness.

                  "We cannot fight against collectivism, unless we fight against its moral base: altruism. We cannot fight against altruism, unless we fight against its epistemological base: irrationalism. We cannot fight against anything, unless we fight for something—and what we must fight for is the supremacy of reason, and a view of man as a rational being.

                  "These are philosophical issues. The philosophy we need is a conceptual equivalent of America's sense of life. To propagate it, would require the hardest intellectual battle. But isn't that a magnificent goal to fight for?"

                  As she lay on her death bed over 10 years later, she still asked Leonard Peikoff to do the best he could for Objectivism. She knew what she had achieved and she still cared that it live. In fighting for it, like scientists struggling to understand, she experienced the meaning of what she once described as "those who fight of the future live in it today" -- which does not mean a mystical living in a time in which you don't exist, and does not mean sacrificing the joy of pursuing, attaining and experiencing values in one's own lifetime.
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                  • Posted by  $  4 weeks ago
                    Yes.

                    It is called "passing on the torch".

                    It takes the same strong determination generation after generation to have the flame live and pass it on to the next. In the process, the flame may go out. If the older generation has not prepared the next to know how to re-ignite it, it'll die forever.
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                  • Posted by term2 4 weeks ago
                    That was an awesome statement by Ayn Rand. I had never heard of it actually, but its very inspiring to be sure.

                    As to your first comment about buying time, isnt that what I did with voting for Trump, as the obvious less evil choice? Sounds like you would agree that it was a good idea to keep crooked Hillary from getting in there. It would appear that Trumps ride will end in 2020, as it partially did in the election of 2018. But without an intellectual base, Trump could only slow down the rise of collectivism in a few areas, which I think he has done.

                    "Can this country achieve a peaceful rebirth in the foreseeable future?
                    "By all precedents, it is not likely

                    I think AR was right in making this comment. The rise in entitlement, political correctness, and the supremacy of pure emotion over reason has created very large problems for us.

                    Collectivism has attracted many more followers because of offering them freebies that others will pay for. I think it will take the exhaustion of the 'others' money before this can stop.
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      • Posted by  $  Dobrien 1 month ago
        Shame on you for twisting and perverting the decode using gematria. Numerology is an Illuminati tradition and they are the enemy , 322 skull and bones 33rd degree Scottish Freemason BS.
        Gematria is a type of CODE.
        Gematria is one of several methods of assigning a numerical value to a name, word or phrase based on its letters.

        Gematria originated as an Assyro-Babylonian-Greek system of alphanumeric code or cipher that was later adopted into Jewish culture.
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  • Posted by fosterj717 1 month ago
    That woman couldn't even mount a campaign for Student Council President. I have never seen a person so unprepared to address problems that would be of interest to an electorate (except perhaps in NY). She could be the most ignorant person in congress (even though there are a plethora of intellectually challenged ones there already).....
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  • Posted by mia767ca 1 month ago
    ....that is just it...they were not taught to think...govt (public) schools teach you to be a good citizen and demand your right to a meal, a house, freed education, free health care....etc....promise me more and I will vote for you...tyranny of the democratic majority...restore the Republic...earn the right to vote...
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    • Posted by  $  nickursis 4 weeks ago
      mia, so how did the schools get that way? Over the last 40 years did they just drift down the liberal road, or was it a precondition to be able to support this whole libers/socialst/democrat attempt to takeover. This is why Trump is such an anethema to them and they are virulant on why he must be destroyed. They drool and slobber obscenities just at the thought of him, because he represents (not is) the effort to stop them, and bring them to justice. They almost made it, with Obama into Clinton, and....then failed. Reason for why we have to get control again and root this whole evil mess out into the open, the sheeple need it thrust in their faces to ever believe there are "real" bad people.
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      • Posted by mia767ca 4 weeks ago
        you've nailed it...it will take everything to turn the tide...and eternal vigilance to keep us on the right track...
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        • Posted by ewv 4 weeks ago
          Trump is doing nothing to change fundamental ideas in education. He is no threat to their trend, only a temporary political obstruction slowing down the politics in some ways while promoting it and its premises in others. The Democrats are frantic because they are currently not completely in their accustomed position of power and because Trump openly taunts and rejects them, refusing to grant the sanction of the victim. That is contrary to their usual phony position of the 'moral high ground', which is what they mean by his "tone" but dare not explain. That is what they can't stand.

          Reversing it will take much more than a Trump and more than "vigilance", which is only watching our own demise.
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          • Posted by mia767ca 4 weeks ago
            agreed...demographics show dems losing support as population moves into the countryside over the next 25 years...Trump's coalition of rural voters might be the future...Ivanka for President 2024...
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          • Posted by  $  Dobrien 4 weeks ago
            Is it Trumps job to change fundamental ideas in education?
            He is proposing a merger of education and labor depts and like everything else Trump attempts to accomplish it will face stiff resistance.

            U.S. Department of Education and the Workforce? That’s what the Trump administration envisions in its new 132-page framework for merging the Education and Labor Departments, as part of a broader overhaul of the federal government.

            The departments, officials wrote in the proposal, “share a common goal of preparing Americans for success in a globally competitive world through family-sustaining careers. However, the two departments operate in silos, inhibiting the federal government’s ability to address the skill needs of the American people in a coordinated manner.”

            Higher-education programs would fall under a new office called “American Workforce and Higher Education Administration,” which would be “charged with ensuring that American workers possess the skills necessary to succeed in the workforce.”.
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            • Posted by ewv 4 weeks ago
              It is the president's job to appeal to proper principles of a free society and implement them. Focusing on bureaucratic reorganization with a "merger of education and labor depts" is both a laughable example of evading what is needed to reform education and an example of conservatives embracing of statist government interference in education while claiming to reverse the trend.

              There shouldn't be an "education department" (or a "labor department"). The administration's bureaucratic shuffling only concedes statist premises of government control over education, evading and obscuring the fundamental debate, while arguing with the other side of the swamp over how to do it. It wastes effort, in the wrong direction, while decrying "stiff resistance" in an irrelevant political battle -- all without mentioning the real problems with the content of education and the political support for them.

              There isn't anything Trump can do to reform what is taught in schools, nor should he in his government role, other than removing existing Federal spending, controls and interference. Part of the problem of Trump idolatry is conservative belief that Trump's temporary political role is or could be a substitute for the required reform of fundamental ideas in the culture, including education, even if he were not further entrenching the wrong direction. Citing and relying on an administration political sales "report" for reorganization does not address any of this.
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              • Posted by  $  Dobrien 4 weeks ago
                One agency is better than 2. Denigrating the greatest president all while he is under constant attack from the collectivists. He has eliminated 22 regulations for every 1 implemented. Your objectivism should make you realize the recovery from the socialism implanted into this country over many decades will take many steps @nd will not happen instantly. I gladly Support Trump , you can support your imaginary perfect President and good luck with that.
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            • Posted by  $  Solver 4 weeks ago
              I’d rather plain clothes agents be legally placed in the public schools to gather evidence on those specific seditious individuals and groups that are actively training the young and innocent to destroy America from within.
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              • Posted by ewv 4 weeks ago
                A new secret police monitoring ideas in government schools is the opposite of a free society.
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                • Posted by  $  Solver 4 weeks ago
                  It’s not about about ideas, it’s about criminal actions.

                  If public school are exempt from these kinds of criminal actions, then all ISIS would need for safe spaces in America is to call their militant training camps, “Public Schools.”
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                  • Posted by ewv 4 weeks ago
                    The so-called "seditious individuals" are teachers spreading ideas, not "criminal action". Ignoring the role of fundamental ideas, replacing it with a conspiracy theory about "seditious individuals" engaging in "criminal actions" is a hopeless anti-intellectual approach to the problem of the schools and education. Building on that to rationalize a secret police monitoring ideas under government controlled schools is not only the opposite of a free society, it is frightening. It is all the diametric opposite of Ayn Rand's philosophy of reason, individualism and freedom.
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  • Posted by term2 1 month ago
    The voters were NOT thinking. They were emoting, which is all that liberals do these days. If it makes them feel better, they go for it. The end result is not of concern at this time.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 1 month ago
    Finally! A candidate that truly exemplifies the philosophy of their party. A young, good-looking, ignorant, moronic person who is totally unaware of personal ignorance.You sure she doesn't dye her hair? She's gotta be a blond.
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    • Posted by  $  Dobrien 1 month ago
      Hey the BW takes offense from your prejudice.
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      • Posted by Herb7734 1 month ago
        "Prejudice" means to pre-judge. I waited until the mouth opened spewing forth inanities..
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        • Posted by  $  Dobrien 1 month ago
          Bonfire of the inanities
          https://g.co/kgs/nTdiav
          We rented a convertible in San Bernadino
          We were driving for driving's sake
          Across the tortured waterless mountains
          Through the moonscape of Mono Lake
          The lights of earth had faded behind
          The stars were fat and sleek
          The universe seemed enormous
          So how could we be unique?
          We scanned the voids for humanoids
          And an answer to the question "Why?"
          ¡Carramba! What were we thinking?
          Cause we were borning to die!
          To the aliens above we are just tiny anys
          They could crush with their giant feet
          They could smash our car and mash us into
          A little bit of hamburger meat
          So let the wind blow through your head
          Your thoughts don't matter anyway
          We're insignificant, baby
          And we're all gonna fade away
          We only stopped in Reno for a very short time
          But the lights were way too bright
          We got tired of spending our winnings
          And went spinning out into the night
          In the desert we saw this giant man
          Exploding like the Fourth of July
          Slowly we turned to say "hello"
          When he vaporized into the sky
          We're feeling like a bunch of hothouse tomatoes
          Riding in a bubble-pack box
          With nothing between us and a big hungry worm
          But this canvas roof and the push button locks
          To the aliens above we are just tiny anys
          They could crush with their giant feet
          They could smash our car and mash us into
          A little bit of hamburger meat
          And then someday the whole planet'll blow
          And we're all gonna suffocate
          We're insignificant, baby
          And we just think it's great
          Insignificant
          Get it over
          Cut our taxes
          Make it so
          Marfa Lights
          Can't get no
          Where's our luggage?
          Just say thanks
          That oughta do it
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    • Posted by  $  Stormi 1 month ago
      You have completely nailed what both the Democrats and Cortez are about. Somehow, when you add in her jumping up and down like a 12-year old when on stage, she just seems ridiculous.
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      • Posted by ewv 1 month ago
        That does not nail what they are about. The are dedicated, ideological collectivists who are militantly doing everything they can to overturn our form of government. They have the backing of the intellectual establishment, which is not ignorant and moronic. They know very well what they are after. For every Ocasio-Cortez jumping up and down there is a ton of money and strategy from the Democrats backing her. It has nothing to do with hair color.
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        • Posted by  $  Stormi 1 month ago
          Actually, the younger ones are brainwashed in schools of education. Then they go one to brainwash all the children coming in to their classes, brain dead to the lack of logic in what they are doing. The intellectual establishment, as in Rhodes Scholars, and the foundations which back them, like Ford Fdn. and Rockefeller, make srue the higher ups know, but the ones below have been taught not to think, but to obey. The issue is as more and more brainless so-called intellectuals join the ranks, yes, they are collectivist, but they do not think about it. It is the higher ups who pull the puppet strings with their money, and those below are just bbain dead zombies, but dangerous in what they do to our schools.
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          • Posted by  $  Solver 1 month ago
            “Educating” your children implanting their ideaology to be future terrorist for the anti-American activist collective.

            There should be many laws against this
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        • Posted by  $  1 month ago
          You are correct.

          What has always puzzled me (the same thing is happening in Europe) that what do the elite expect from this? It comes naturally that they think they'll assume power should such an overturning would succeed.

          That is how the elite transcends from regime to regime: they must be the winners in control.
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  • Posted by  $  allosaur 1 month ago
    Me dino voted for Ocasio-Cortez, uh-huh, so she can bwing her dolly to Washington to gibb us socialism so I can hab a new house, a new car, free health care and me a free college basket weaving degree and get her rich daddy and country club friends to pay for it wid her pretty face.
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  • Posted by BCRinFremont 1 month ago
    Many people just want to be taken care of. The historic family structure used to do this caregiving. Now, with the family structure being destroyed, the Government is the new caregiver...because the Government is so good at taking care of everything it touches.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 1 month ago
    I can only guess what voters are thinking. I think people accept that gov't taking a big chuck of GDP is a fact of life, and they want candidates who will channel that money toward good causes.

    If there were some referendum question that would guarantee cutting gov't across the board and reducing taxes, many people, although maybe not a majority, would be for it. The problem is what Mitt Romney famously said: Most people don't pay incomes taxes except for payroll taxes, so it's not a high priority for them.

    BTW, I turned off the spliced video juxtaposing supposed questions with out-of-context statements by the candidate.
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    • Posted by  $  Dobrien 1 month ago
      “Channel that money to good causes”
      I just fell off of my chair laughing.
      “ Most don’t pay taxes except payroll taxes “
      Bang down to the floor again.. don’t they buy gas
      Are any other goods ever purchased by most people
      ever heard of a thing called sales tax? Ha ha ha ha ha
      You could have a stand up act on kimmels show
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      • Posted by  $  1 month ago
        I have the same notion on the "good causes".

        In California the stupid voters approved a gasoline tax (it has been an increasingly higher amount over years). After the ballot passed, the left praised it as the best thing since sliced bread, saying now we'll have money for infrastructure. It is common knowledge that not a penny will go to roads which have been in dismal shape for decades. The money will go to pet projects and voters will not see ANY result in improved roads.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 1 month ago
        I said most people don't pay income taxes except payroll taxes. Regarding the rest of their wrongheaded ideas, I can't find amusement in it. A constitutionally limited republic is a fragile thing. It's not the default state for humankind. If the gods or a reliable crystal ball told me the pendulum would swing away from socialism, then maybe I could laugh knowing it's just short-term folly.
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    • Posted by DrZarkov99 1 month ago
      Medicare for all is not a "good cause." It will at least double the federal budget. "Free" tuition at community colleges, tack on another $500 billion a year. Jack up taxes on "the rich," who already subsidize half the country and kill the labor market and reduce the real tax base. Open borders and we will see urban pandemics as a flood of "refugees" bring diseases we haven't seen before. Those are all Cortez positions that I've listened to many times, unedited. She, and many other liberal politicians like her, don't understand economics and aren't interested in learning.
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      • Posted by  $  Dobrien 1 month ago
        She is a puppet being groomed by the statist left.
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        • Posted by DrZarkov99 1 month ago
          She's now whining about not being able to collect taxpayer money until she's sworn in, because she can't afford to rent an apartment in DC. The statists surely could have selected someone with a few more operational brain cells.
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          • Posted by  $  nickursis 4 weeks ago
            Ah, Doc, as her meme says "Just Pay for it". Down in Venezuela in class, they never mentioned "earning" money, just taking it. That is the basis of all socialist governments, and they fail because you cannot take more than is produced, and then we have that little problem of the producers leaving. But all that is wasted on people with her outlook, which is "We just write a check" (I guess "use the debit card" fits better now).
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            • Posted by ewv 4 weeks ago
              It fails because the producers stop producing in exchange for punishment, not because they try to take more than what is already being produced up to that point. It fails because forcing people to work and sacrifice is on principle contrary to the requirements of human life, using one's own mind to pursue one's own values with the freedom to do it to the best of one's ability.
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              • Posted by  $  nickursis 3 weeks, 6 days ago
                While true, indeed we saw just that in Venezuela a couple years ago when all the internationals up and left, and what little they hadn't looted they "nationalized"....and things just got worse... Yet this young hussy jhas no clue and really believes what she was told. She is a poster girl for the danger of socialism. Maybe that was an intentional move by the republicans, or the Trump group, to let the country see how ridiculous a real socialist is by letting her loose in the candy store.
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            • Posted by  $  Solver 4 weeks ago
              It is easier to loot than produce. It is easier to borrow than earn. It is easier to follow than lead. It is easier to criticize than learn. It is easier to use emotion than use reason. It is easier destroy than create. It is easier to be a socialist than a capitalist.
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  • Posted by  $  4 weeks ago in reply to this comment.
    You did not read my comment.

    I said it was a multivariable equation, one of the variables being the parent.

    I was not blaming them solely for the problem.
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    • Posted by ewv 4 weeks ago
      Rejecting your comment does not mean not having read it. There is no "multivariable equation". That is not what the term "equation" means. You emphasized "parents" as not wanting "anything to do" with their own children as a major source of the problem. That is not only not true, it omits once again the nature of the ideas which they pass on to their children, both informally and in formal education.
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  • Posted by  $  25n56il4 1 month ago
    I'm reminded of 'Bambi, Amber, and Dawn. All cheerleaders. Hi! my name is Bambi! I am gorgeous but I don't have a brain in my head! Oh, well, is that okay????
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  • Posted by  $  Solver 1 month ago
    Just a little bit of comedy,
    https://youtu.be/sh-Uemf8-RU

    I like how Ocasio Cortez invents many of her own jokes.
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    • Posted by term2 1 month ago
      All she has to do is open her mouth. What comes OUT is a joke
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      • Posted by ewv 1 month ago
        Getting a vote in Congress is no joke.
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        • Posted by term2 1 month ago
          she is a piece of work. All I can say is that her supporters must be really low rent people of limited intelligence. Putting her in charge of the finance committee (or any committee) is vertainly going to be interesting. I havent seen any ability apparent in her, other than being able to yell and scream and attract voters in her district.
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          • Posted by ewv 1 month ago
            As of now, Maxine Waters, who has been a Democrat in Congress for many years, is expected to become chairman of the Financial Services Committee. Is that any better? https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/po...

            They don't have limited intelligence. They know what they are doing and what they are after.
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            • Posted by term2 1 month ago
              I think my cat shows more intelligence than the people who elect Maxine waters
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              • Posted by ewv 1 month ago
                Your cat has no conceptual understanding of elections and government at all. Waters has been a highly successful politician for over 40 years, representing an area part of and near Los Angeles, including the coast. For all the largely ignorant and emotional voters who have supported her, she has a lot of support from ideological liberal Democrats who know very well what they are doing, and like what she stands for and does. They know what they want, which does not preclude intelligence.
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                • Posted by term2 1 month ago
                  She is powerfully evil to be sure, voted in by very evil people. I doubt she will get widespread support, although I would like to see the dems run her for president in 2020. She is so off the rails with her uncontrolled mouth that dems would go down in flames. Waters for PRES/Beto for VP
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                  • Posted by ewv 1 month ago
                    Waters has received 70 percent of the vote and more for years in her district. She would probably lose a national election, depending on what the Republicans ran with.
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                    • Posted by term2 1 month ago
                      Its really an indication of the people who live in her district. Real idiots. I can see videos of her screaming about attacking republicans all over TV ads, and that would doom her nationally. I think the dems should run her as nominee, cause she would never win. But they wont put good money after bad because they know she would lose. If she won somehow, thats time to move out of the USA.
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                      • Posted by ewv 1 month ago
                        The Democrats will not commit national political suicide. They support and use Waters, Cortez, and others where they think they can get away with it. It shows what the leadership is as much as what should have been fringe candidates are. They will openly do it everywhere when they think enough of the public is ready for it. Meanwhile it is spreading.
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                        • Posted by term2 1 month ago
                          I agree they wont knowingly commit suicide.
                          The two parties are marketing organizations each wanting to compete with the other. I dont think either of them really care what their platform is, so long as they "win". Its like Pepsi vs Coke. Each has a base and they are trying to entice the fringe independents to go their way.

                          The millenians are socialists, as are the hispanics, gays, a lot of blacks, a portion of jews, and probably others. This is why the big push to get central americans to move here and vote.
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                          • Posted by ewv 4 weeks, 1 day ago
                            The Republican Party is intellectually bankrupt, but it isn't the egalitarian nihilism, ethnic tribalism, and 'take no prisoners' frenzied destruction just to be disruptive that is the deliberate uncivilized behavior rising within the Democrats.
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                            • Posted by term2 4 weeks, 1 day ago
                              I have thought trump could only slow down the decline of America for 4 years. After the mid terms I am sticking to that. The tide has turned to a real majority of the Democrats and trump will lose in 2020 to Either a real socialist or a bear-socialist
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            • Posted by  $  1 month ago
              The definition of intelligence by the Cambridge English Dictionary:

              "the ability to understand and learn well, and to form judgments and opinions based on reason:"

              Do you see the left's thinking/actions there?
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              • Posted by ewv 1 month ago
                They know what they want and do a lot of thinking to rationalize it in economics, politics, ethics and more, to form strategies, and to implement all of it. If you think the entrenched, professional in the top universities, the media and other writers, and the political strategists conniving for power, are limited to below average intelligence then you don't know what you are up against. The most dangerous evil is that with superior intelligence.
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                • Posted by  $  1 month ago
                  I fully agree with you.

                  Where we differ is that while I am aware the leaders on the left have high IQs, the mass below the tip of the iceberg is like a herd of sheep, blindly following the directives.

                  That is the main and defining difference between the GOP and the left. The GOP indulged in the "differences" (see Freedom Caucus) to fracture their power of action. At the same time the left stuck together and overcame the GOP.

                  Had it not been for the president the House would have been lost by an even larger margin.
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                  • Posted by  $  Solver 1 month ago
                    “Today, we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives. We have created, for the first time in all history, a garden of pure ideology, where each worker may bloom secure from the pests of contradictory and confusing truths. Our Unification of Thoughts is more powerful a weapon than any fleet or army on earth. We are one people, with one will, one resolve, one cause. Our enemies shall talk themselves to death, and we will bury them with their own confusion. We shall prevail!”
                    - Apple - Big Brother - 1984
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