That is very good news, especially for Oregon, but you are in a part that still respects individual rights, for the most part.

Every once in awhile, there is a glimmer of hope ...
Years ago, I was researching a piece of property in the country, about two miles from where I currently live -- both as an investment, and a place to build a home. At any rate, about 50 percent of the property was located at an elevation (part of a hill) that was labeled Public Preserve. I inquired as to the meaning of this zoning designation -- I could not get a clear definition ... something about the land being preserved for the Public Good (yeah, as though lifted from the pages of Atlas Shrugged). Fast forward to just 12 months ago ... the City Planning committee is meeting and I happen to be in attendance. I notice that the green color on the map is gone -- as is the reference to Public Preserve. I then find out that one of the main City Planners had worked to eliminate that designation since it was an unfair burden on the property owners ... essentially being a form of theft (my word, not his). Now my acreage no longer has that horrible green color on the map at the elevation / hill. I can essentially do what I want with it under the current zoning for residential development. Long story short, there are still some people working in government that are really working on behalf of the people ... meaning ... the individual property owners.

Yes, their grip on power is solid, and both parties cooperate to maintain it, I think the "differences" between them are all part of their smoke and mirrors, dumbocraps and republicrats are all the same.

Thanks for the clarification ... indeed, I have discovered that Bend is also a liberal enclave. I hope that you are doing whatever you can to ensure that your voice for common sense is at least heard at some level. I do what I can to back libertarian candidates in my own city. I tried running for Council and for the Planning Committee but after five years of repeated efforts, I said enough. All the best in preserving some measure of local sanity.

Good points. Its government regulations and taxes plus a bit of transportation charges that make the difference in prices happen.

Exactly, a perfect example of "democracy".

I was never even remotely entertained by the idea of collectivism, it is human nature to take others people stuff whenever you can, the bigger the group, the more they take, culminating in the socialist state. I have never seen one yet that works. Its all a great idea, but it never works, greed is too strong. War Drummer FB page has a thread on gas prices, 1.90 or so in Midwest, 3.50 in Kalifornia, 3.00 in Oregon, the difference being their "socialism factor", the higher it is, the higher the prices, because the differences is all taxes.

This is the problem with how to physically divide up an intellectually divided country. Someone's ox is going to get gored, no matter where the dividing line is.

I do think that wwe are headed for a civil war, either peaceful or not so peaceful. I, for one, am very tired of the leftists forcing me to do this and that. Its time to revolt , which we did with Trump, but the leftists are hell bent on stopping that train dead in its tracks. I am getting pretty much DONE with collectivism. I think I understand too well Ragnar's position in AS.

Most of Oregon's population is in the cities of Portland and the surrounding areas - more than enough to drown out everyone else combined. See http://worldpopulationreview.com/stat...

Now wait a minute, there is still a minority of us on the left side of the mountains. It's just all the PERS retirees and liberal bloodsuckers who live in Washington and Mulhtnoma Counties that rule the damn staste (and Corvallis and Bend too).I have yet to figure out if the corrupted the vote by mail system or just fake the numbers, but there are way too many "idiot voters" vs people who scream about getting raped in the wallet, to be legitimate.

Mike has created several very good videos. His presentations are level-headed and fact based.

"The Federal Reserve: Biggest Scam In The History Of Mankind - Hidden Secrets of Money Ep 4" is one of his better shows. In a scant 30 minutes, the viewer can obtain a comprehensive view of where money comes from, how it works and why it is so very important that the Fed keep its operations secret.

That Washington Wall should cut through the Cascades. Most of the folks on the eastern side of the mountains maintain some semblance of common sense.

Exactly.

Yet they get themselves elected, year after year, so either the state is flooded with genetic misfits, or they own the "mail in ballots". I believe it is the ballots they own, as we already have hard facts they corrupted the Kalifornia system.

It's not just Oregon, it is in almost all Democratic controlled states, and countires run by Liberals in some form or another. No one ever mentions where what may be trillions in looting is going, just that they are punishment taxes to impose their world changing view on us, which is pure hogwash. No doubt how the deep state funds itself...

Sounds a lot like Prohibition and we know how well that worked. Perhaps Big Oil should just decide not to do any business in Oregon. That includes all products made from crude oil.

I think Trump should put up the wall around Calif, Oregon, and Washington, and let them float free with whatever laws they want.

I suspect they actually do. I do know that Exxon purchased insurance for the Exxon-Valdez oil spill after the fact. Yes, you can buy insurance against something that has already happened!

In essence they paid the estimated cost of the cleanup as a premium with some extra for risk and profit to the insurance company. In return they got to remove the item from their balance sheet as a potential risk.

The premise that this is Russian propaganda is very interesting. I had never considered it, but among things that motivate Russia, little is more important than the price of oil and gas.

I have long believed that the strongest reason for renewable energy and energy independent (e.g. nuclear) is for national security, NOT the environment. This may be a less expensive method than military spending. Taking away the financial lifeblood of these backwards countries with no value to add besides oil is the fastest way to make them irrelevant.

Just another example of the Portland elitists trying to tell the other 95% of the great State of Oregon what to do because they don't have to live by these laws.

Sheesh. These people are about as stupid as one can get.

One way to tackle the pipeline spill problem is to require the mid-stream companies to purchase hazard insurance to pay for spills. Given that pipeline spills are actually very infrequent, insurance cost should be very low, considering the favorable risk. The cost of insurance premiums would still be passed on to the consumer, but it would show that the overseers of the pipelines are being responsible. Insurance companies would also pressure the pipeline owners to institute best practices to prevent spills, offering lower premiums to those who take the best care.

We know how well Oregonian efforts succeed in manipulating business and technology. Recall Cover Oregon, which burned through multi-hundreds of millions of dollars, unable to set up a website to handle the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

I believe, after watching a few Mike Maloney videos on the big banks scam, that all tax money goes into the pockets of a very few. Here is one of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5....

It's interesting the number of liberals I've argued with who talk about how bad the pipelines are (that may actually BE Russian propaganda). When I say that the companies should have to pay to clean up the mess because that's one of the costs of producing and transporting the goods and that they would then pass on the cost to consumers they are outraged that consumers should have to pay for the spill. Companies are evil and consumers shouldn't have to pay for their mistakes.

But they are perfectly happy raising the tax on the product so that consumers would pay and be discouraged from using it. Because government isn't trying to make a profit.

If you want to control CO2, a free market is the way to go. This is only halfway there. Seems much easier to tax the fuel, but that passes the cost to the ... consumers?! What? We have to pay for this? No way! Companies must pay, not us!