The World's Smallest Political Quiz

Posted by Maphesdus 12 years, 8 months ago to Culture
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This is just a real quick political quiz to get a quick snapshot of a person's political stance.

According to the quiz, I'm a left-leaning Libertarian:
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Consider posting your comment on my patent post so I can take your statements on in more detail. But let's start with the basics. The fundamental "right" in any property right is the right to exclude. The basis of all property rights is creation. A property right is NEVER a monopoly and exercising one's right to exclude is not the initiation of force nor a monopoly. Inventors do deserve a property right and another's use of that right without consent is theft. This is all demonstrated in the book. One time I looked up all references to invention and patents in AS. My favorite quote (reminds me of you didn't build that) "’he didn’t invent smelting and chemistry and air compression. He couldn’t have invented HIS metal but for thousands and thousands of other people. HIS Metal! Why does he think it’s his? Why does he think it’s his invention? Everybody uses the work of everybody else. Nobody ever invents anything.’ (Jim Taggart) She (Cheryl) said, puzzled, ‘But the iron ore and all those other things were there all the time. Why didn’t anybody else make that Metal, but Mr. Rearden did?’”
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    THEY CAN'T SELL REARDEN METAL.
    There's no false assumption, I was around for the clone wars when nobody could guarantee how compatible their "pc" was, because they had to make the ROMS different due to IBMs patents.

    The compatibles eventually reverse engineered the ROMs and got around the patent issues.

    Please tell Apple to stop suing Samsung, then.

    Fine, you win. I oppose what you call patents then. Monopolies are evil, period; whether you call them patents or monopolies.

    Apple has *never* created anything. Every idea out of Apple comes from earlier works of other people. And yet Apple time after time uses "software patents", not to protect its creations, but to try to squash competition. And the only check in capitalism is competition.

    Rearden has a legal authority to exclusive production and sale of his metal due to his patents.

    Once that time is up, the authority dissolves, and anyone who wants and is able can make Rearden metal and sell it.

    If Rearden manufactures a Rearden metal girder for me, I can sell it to whomever I choose. I just can't make my own Rearden metal girder and sell it... without his permission. That's an effective monopoly.

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    mo·nop·o·ly
    noun \mə-ˈnä-p(ə-)lē\

    : complete control of the entire supply of goods or of a service in a certain area or market

    : a large company that has a monopoly

    : complete ownership or control of something
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    It's just too bad they weren't able to patent the formula for steel when it was invented. Imagine all the things we could make out of steel if only the poor inventor could have monopolized the production and use of his invention. We might have hundred story tall skyscrapers, and rust resistant knives, and who knows what else? But, since in the history of the world steel wasn't patented, we had an under investment in inventions and no steel knives, stainless steel razors, skyscrapers, automobiles (unless we lept straight to aluminum, hello death rate), storage tanks, nor all that other stuff made of Steel's metal.

    I hereby patent the automobile; you can sell products that compete, but you can't make automobiles. Which is bullshit.


    Duplicate of invention takes place all the time; just check a website that sells Chinese knock-offs of iPhones and Galaxies et al, in spite of patents.

    In summary (and then I'm done arguing with you):
    I believe in patents, insofar as they grant you a legal, time-limited power to produce and sell a product, with the caveat that at the time of patent you provide an exact description of the product and/or process, and when the patent expires, it enters the public domain.

    Otherwise... don't patent and take your chances of being ripped off. You're on your own, society will not help you if you refuse to trade value for value.

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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Readen metal is not a market. anyone can sell a product that competes with Rearden Metal. There is no such thing as a "duplicate of invention." An invention is a class. Infringing a patent is theft and so therefore serious. But, in fact, IBM did not get patents on its PC. So your analysis is incorrect based on a false assumption. The history of the world shows that without patents, we have a under-investment in inventions. Inventions are the only way to increase real per capita income. The idea that patents are a monopoly and NOT a property right fails both by the definition of property right and any rational definition of monopoly and on an empirical basis.
    My husband has written extensively on this topic. I will post.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You have the right to sell an invention.
    So tell me, Hank Rearden had the right to exclude everyone else from selling Rearden metal. How is that different from an exclusive right to the market of Rearden metal?

    It, in fact, doesn't just give you the power to exclude others from selling you invention, but it gives you the power to exclude others from selling duplicates of your invention. It was a serious issue back in the 80s and why we had IBM clones and IBM compatibles.

    An effective monopoly is a monopoly.
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  • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 12 years, 8 months ago
    100% Personal
    100% Economic
    100% Libertarian.
    I agree the questions are a bit vague. Common sense should be applied.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    the definition of a monopoly ensures an exclusive right to a MARKET. a patent does not give you a right to a market nor does it even give you a right to sell your invention. A patent ONLY gives you the right to exclude others from selling your invention and the term is 20 years from the date of filing your invention.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The only economic I disagreed with was:
    "End government barriers to international free trade."

    On personal:
    I was maybe on military service, maybe on sex and disagree on drugs. Agreed with other two.

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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The purpose of a patent is to allow a time-limited monopoly of 17 years, after which its released to the public.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I won't comment to all of your points. I will tart with your premise. patents are not a monopoly.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 8 months ago
    I'm 60% on personal, 80% on economic.

    But it still calls me a libertarian.

    The quiz isn't comprehensive enough for a meaningful determination.
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  • Posted by MattFranke 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Like what?"
    Now that is the million dollar question, is it not? I agree with you on property rights obviously or I wouldn't be here. So I fail to see what it is that we don't agree on. I'm outta time for the day, but would be glad to continue this discussion tomorrow if you still doubt me or my intentions. I know I'm new around here.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It depends on what you mean by 'strong'.

    Disney has long, long abused the copyright laws. Walt Disney has been dead for decades, yet the corporation has kept an iron fist around any image or media related to their characters.

    Copyrights and patents were designed to give their creators a time-limited monopoly, in exchange for eventual release of their invention.

    It's a logic bug I saw in Atlas Shrugged; the gov't was sooo terribly determined to get Rearden's patents... why?

    A patent must show the exact design or process for which a patent is applied. All the information needed is already there.

    If it's the government that wants to make Rearden metal... they can just do like they do with immigration laws... ignore it. They don't need any gift certificates.

    If by "strong" you mean "heavily enforced", I agree. If you mean "enduring", I disagree. There comes a time when any work has pervaded society so much that keeping it copywrited or patented is hindering future development more than its encouraging it.

    Software "patents" are an abomination in the way they are abused. Apple is a great abuser of patents, yet they're almost never stopped. Apple is always borrowing from previous existing works, changing something superfluous, and claiming patent rights.

    There was an interesting episode of "House" where the new boss who owns a pharmaceutical company tries to get House to endorse a new medicine.
    In his speech, House points out that they merely added an inert ingredient because the patent was expiring, and this way they could continue holding a monopoly. This, if it happens, would be an unacceptable abuse, imo.

    The important thing is to maintain a tight balance between encouraging innovation by releasing new developments for others to expand upon, and encouraging innovation by protecting the profitability of said innovations.
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  • Posted by $ johnrobert2 12 years, 8 months ago
    I was 90 on personal; 100 on economic. In fact, I was only one square off from being in the very tip top of the graph. Guess there's no hope for me.
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 12 years, 8 months ago
    80% Personal, 100% Economic. Libertarian. Not enough questions though, IMO for a accurate assessment. No questions on religion. :\
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    like what? there is no growth without strong intellectual property rights in my opinion
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  • Posted by MattFranke 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Whatever did I say to infer that? On the contrary, few things rate higher in my opinion. I said I have been accused of being an anarchist, not that I was one. I understand the idea that governments purpose is to protect property rights, and I wish that it would. But it looks that history is going to show us again that the largest violator of property rights is always the government. Therefore, I can't help but to wonder if their isn't a better way.
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  • Posted by MattFranke 12 years, 8 months ago
    I've seen this before and am 100% Libertarian according to the quiz. I'm so libertarian, I've been accused of being an anarchist, I think anarcho-capitalist is the exact term. But in the end I can never manage to fit in any one box, not even as a hard core Objectivist; though Objectivist philosophy usually guides most of my social interactions in day to day life.
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