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Ayn Rand on War

Posted by mminnick 6 years, 8 months ago to News
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Wars are the second greatest evil that human societies can perpetrate. (The first is dictatorship, the enslavement of their own citizens, which is the cause of wars.)

“The Wreckage of the Consensus”
Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, 224

I recommend following the link and reading all of the secions of the Lexicon on WAR.


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  • Posted by strugatsky 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    War has been part of every living creature's existence. What makes you think that war between humans will ever disappear? Especially as we are devolving philosophically and culturally.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I very much disagree. War is not equivalent to dictatorship, nor does it necessarily lead to one. War, as Clausewitz said, is politics by other means. It is a tool, which could be used for bad purposes or for good purposes. When subjected to a dictatorship, war is a positive action to free oneself from that dictatorship. As far as I know, Ayn Rand was never against self-defense; if war is used to protect or free the society from evil, then it is a good thing. As a last resort, for sure, but still preferable to the primary evil.
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  • Posted by chad 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How often have the dictators been made by one government and then have to be fought to prevent the take over from the same benefactor? Terrorism was exported by America for many years, the removal of the democratically elected president of Iran to install the Shah who then used secret police to brutalized his people. Selling weapons of mass destruction to Sadam Hussien to kill the Iranians, his own people then complaining that it was a threat to 'our' security. America has meddled in the affairs of other countries for many decades, don't be surprised if sometimes they don't like it and decide to import terrorism to America. Quit exporting terrorism and the threat of import will be drastically reduced.
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  • Posted by chad 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What dictatorships have learned is that if you steal everything from people then the dictator is poor also. Let them have enough freedom to believe that they are actually free and the slaves will work much harder, produce more and more can be stolen. It is important to keep the masses entertained, tax them to build the stadiums then give them the games. The collective can name the sports stars, tell others about their lives and families but have no idea they are not free because the government tells them they are free as long as the citizen asks permission from the state to work, own property, use property, pay more extortion (taxes) because you used the property to make money and the citizen will be happy.
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  • Posted by chad 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is no choice when choosing the lesser of two evils. Would you choose the lesser poison knowing either would kill you but trying to choose the least painful. To choose war is to choose the dictatorship that proposes the war, you have chosen both.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A little exaggerated, perhaps? Lincoln did not free the slaves around the world. In fact, it still exists.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I believe you just stated the cause for the Declaration of Independence and subsequent Revolutionary War. +1
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Some people are better than others. That is not related to rights and does not cause wars.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 6 years, 8 months ago
    Since it is better to choose the lesser of two evils, war is preferable to dictatorship.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 6 years, 8 months ago
    I'm afraid that China will start the next war. Despite their economic progress their leader and I suspect any in the top leadership still abide by their ancient emperor mentality. Despite what Ayn Rand states in those excerpts that many countries including China wouldn't understand that philosophy.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 6 years, 8 months ago
    Lincoln freed slavery around the world with a peaceful proclamation...defending it is the challenge...
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  • Posted by ycandrea 6 years, 8 months ago
    Look at the history of the world, and you will see Ayn Rand is right. The downfall of every free society has been collectivism, the rise of a dictator, and the fall of the civilization. Over, and over again.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 6 years, 8 months ago
    The only sure way to eliminate war is to promote and respect natural rights and capitalism. Wars can't happen unless some people think they are better than others.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I also did work on military stuff years ago. Air Force engineering contracts. It was very interesting work.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 8 months ago
    She says dictatorship causes wars and laissez-faire capitalism prevents them. I suspect that's true, and I really hope it is. Gov'ts like China are doing their best to be authoritarian and grant their citizens freedoms only in areas that produce wealth and don't threaten the gov't's power. The gov't granting rights to the people is backwards, but they're trying their best to make it work. They may have some isolated advantages of being able to consult with experts on a problem and not have to deal with voters who are not as knowledgeable as they think they are. But I believe respecting people's rights and philosophy of liberty will win and that war between nations will mostly disappear within decades. I really hope I'm right about this.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I grew p in a military (Army) family, by older brother went to Wet Point. I tried to enlist ut couldn't - bad heart. I worked for almost 35 years designing, testing etc on weapon systems. I am proud of the work I did. However, I no longer work in that area. I can't build weapons anymore.I stated having nightmares about the work and the applications it was being put to.
    I know the work made the United states safer and militarily strong, still a needed thin I guess. Having shildren ade me start to wonder about things. Having grandchildren has convinced me that there must be a better way to solve the problems of the worls. Howver as long as there are terrorists, dictators, and the like abounding in the world some form of military and thus war will be present.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 6 years, 8 months ago
    Becoming a parent made me do two things. 1- I became an Objectivist. 2- I hate war. Pretty simple, really. War should be viewed as a very last resort. The whole Iraq/"WMD" thing should go down as a lesson...
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  • Posted by mshupe 6 years, 8 months ago
    Hip hop reference was tongue in cheek, but a great example of the degradation of what we call art, meaning aesthetics, meaning values.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not sure I agree with Hip-hop being 3rd but definitely in the top 5. the other two being Communism and fanaticism of any type.
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  • Posted by mshupe 6 years, 8 months ago
    I guess third would be hip hop. Obama said it is a vibrant art form though.
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