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Economics Everywhere, Politics Nowhere

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 5 years, 7 months ago to History
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Thought everyone would enjoy some background history on Switzerland. It was once the ultimate in Capitalism and even today it is still a far cry from what the USA and the rest of the western world has turned into.

Ayn Rand would have done very well there but I am glad she came here instead.
SOURCE URL: https://centerforindividualism.org/economics-everywhere-politics-nowhere-switzerlands-six-pointers-towards-hope-for-western-civilization/


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  • Posted by $ 5 years, 7 months ago
    Free trade in Switzerland is an imperative and that is exactly what Trump is trying to do here...fear not, the tariff war is only a means to that end.
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    • Posted by EgoPriest 5 years, 7 months ago
      I've had enough of that old pragmatist line of "reasoning." Galt would never have "struck a deal" with "Mr. Thompson" and neither will I (or any other Objectivist). One cannot abandon one's principles with the hope of saving anything of real value.

      Remember the oath?
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    • Posted by term2 5 years, 6 months ago
      I dont get how high tariffs are going to force the Chinese to "back down" in their communist plan to build up their industries and take over the world. They are going to fight tooth and nail even harder now. While we in the USA pay the price in terms of inflated prices and money going to our crooked government.
      That said, I do think that we CANNOT just keep printing money and sending it to China so we can buy stuff cheaply. What Trump might be doing is artificially increasing the prices from China to overcome their government controlled cheap yuan, and encourage americans to NOT buy so much from them. THAT part just might work, but its going to take maybe 100% tariffs to make that happen.
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      • Posted by $ 5 years, 6 months ago
        You answered your own question in the last paragraph...if they want to do business with us then they will lower or eliminate their tariffs on our goods and we will lower or eliminate theirs. Trump seeks mutual free trade.
        If they do not...oh well, too bad for them. We will make those products or buy somewhere else.

        I'm tired of cheap garbage Chinese stuff anyway. They are only copycats anyway for the most part.
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        • Posted by term2 5 years, 6 months ago
          The chinese are victims of people fighting the last war as to quality. Today, the parts we buy from them are of quite excellent quality- easily as good if not better than what we make here. They have substantially less expensive labor, and their workers are not nearly as "entitled" as american workers are.

          We will need to have a 10% price increase once the 25% tariffs go into effect on Jan1. I expect a lot of companies are going to do the same.

          Whatever Trump expects the chinese to give in on will do nothing for our company however. We do not sell anything to china (our stuff is WAY too expensive for the chinese to buy), and therefore have no intellectual property issues with them.
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  • Posted by chad 5 years, 6 months ago
    Compulsory armed service means you do not own your life and can be compelled to violate all of your moral values while being 'ordered' to kill someone with whom you have no quarrel and there is no moral reason to kill them. This must be a choice left to the individual. Switzerland used to protect the wealth of any who wanted to store their assets there and now have given in to the IRS and the central bank of the US demands to know who has money there, how much and turn it over to the government of any country demanding it.
    Democracy is the tyranny of the majority and is not a good system of governing. It always decays into absolute control of the populace through voting which emboldens the collective to demand the right to control others and their resources.
    The only way to remain free in a world that can identify and quantify every transaction will be to find a way to prevent intelligence gathering by any state and being a permanent traveler to prevent being the subject of investigation.
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    • Posted by $ 5 years, 6 months ago
      Changes have been noted since the late 1800's but even though service is compulsory...they have never wared against or in defense of anyone...they have managed to stay neutral on that front.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 6 months ago
    Great article!

    A few notes:
    1) Switzerland has been able to maintain a decentralized government structure and kudos to them. But they also tightly control immigration, so their culture remains monolithic. That's a HUGE key to maintaining things. The US Constitution only began to fail once diversity of culture started becoming the norm - not the exception. If Switzerland joins the EU, they will rapidly disintegrate as their cultural norms are sacrificed to the god of diversity.

    2) Subsidiarity is a fantastic principle and was the original principle of the federal government. As States' rights were undermined (and then completely suborned by the 17th Amendment), this principle faded into obscurity. We can look at any number of federal programs in the United States (Common Core, nationalized healthcare, etc.) to see that subsidiarity (local control) is by far the better policy.

    3) This is very similar to the referendum process used by many States or to the Amendment process of the Constitution, but unless the people are voting on every single issue, I don't think this is pure democracy. I still applaud the Swiss for their perseverance!

    4) Free Trade is great! I think one of the things that has really benefited the Swiss are their (in)famous Swiss bank accounts! Because of their intentional apartisan nature, they can stay out of the "entangling alliances" George Washington warned us of. This is one area I really wish the US would more fully adopt!

    5) Again, see Washington's Farewell Address for his warnings to our nation regarding long-term alliances.

    6) Yes! And much of this is due to lower tax rates and lower government burden. If only our Federal government was as hands-off!

    "Not perfect, but better."

    Well said.
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    • Posted by $ 5 years, 6 months ago
      I often try to get across to people that assimilation into one countries or another's culture is a good thing.
      Do we not like the different cultures expressed to their fullest degree within the context of a nation...I submit, we do indeed; otherwise there would be no reason to visit, to experience and to appreciate these small countries. Not to mention, if all were homogeneously alike, it would be boring as hell....and while on the subject, Nationalism is a good thing, not bad...so long as socialism doesn't rear it's ugly head. That is what happened in Germany.

      Simply...regardless of what the leftest say...We Like it That Way!

      America was meant to be different, diverse by it's welcoming freedom loving nature but you have to have a common culture, a common language and reliable laws to pull it off.

      And...Yes!, the world would benefit tremendously if we all had a common language to speak, to communicate without confusion or miss-translations.
      Nothing says they can't retain their traditional languages but it is my learned opinion that the English language is the best language to be considered universal by it's very nature.

      Just like the American Culture, (was, anyway), being made up of many cultures...so too is our language and the easiest language that can assimilate any word, concept or metaphor from any other language and we have the largest vocabulary of any other language as well.

      Metaphors are our key strength, as I am fond of stating: Conscious soars on the Wings of those Metaphors.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 6 months ago
        English is also the best language for vocal music, with the shortest words and variety of rhymes!
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        • Posted by $ 5 years, 6 months ago
          Hadn't thought of that...Thanks.

          Another factoid to go into the new book!
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          • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 6 months ago
            Yeah, just don't ask my wife what the best language is. She's a linguistics type and to her English is one of the most abominable languages ;)
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            • Posted by $ 5 years, 6 months ago
              Laughing...I did however, research this out. Looked up what the best language was, what language had the most words and the most metaphors, the most universal, (accommodating, Greek, Latin and many other languages)...also...
              English doesn't require any special sounds to speak it either...for instance, many languages use a lot of tong/tonsil flapping or like Spanish, they don't use the tong as much, just a throat sound mostly. Other languages use the same sounds but mean different things depending upon the inflections added.

              However...there are problems with english, to many words are used differently but spelled the same, like Read,- spelled the same for present and past tense. I read those discussions as well.

              It was conclusive across the spectrum and linguist in general though...English won by a landslide.

              I've always thought we should spell words the way we speak them or speak them the way their spelled...(phonetics), get ride of all the "silent" letters.
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              • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 6 months ago
                "I've always thought we should spell words the way we speak them or speak them the way their spelled...(phonetics), get ride of all the "silent" letters."

                Don't learn French, then, they only pronounce about 1/2 their consonants.. It will drive you bonkers! :)

                On a more serious note, I totally agree!
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 6 months ago
    I thought of Switzerland as a bastion of socialism now. Maybe I am wrong. One doesnt hear a lot about Switzerland, so this was an interesting article.
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    • Posted by $ 5 years, 6 months ago
      That is why I particularly post the article.
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      • Posted by term2 5 years, 6 months ago
        He doesnt talk a lot about how switzerland is NOW, though.
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        • Posted by $ 5 years, 6 months ago
          No, but he mentions where and when they went south. Even so, the underlying structures still exist, it wouldn't take much for them to return to those principles. We, the US, have a Lot farther to go.
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          • Posted by term2 5 years, 6 months ago
            WE are never going to go back. Too many people feel they are "entitled" to the goodies the state has provided (courtesy of the producers), and they wont give them up.
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            • Posted by $ 5 years, 6 months ago
              We'll have to starve them for a generation or two.
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              • Posted by term2 5 years, 6 months ago
                as in AS. The system has to collapse before the entitled will admit that the free ride is over
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                • Posted by $ 5 years, 6 months ago
                  There is no place on earth for us, the value creators and producers to go, no resistance large enough or strong enough to make that happen.
                  It would be nice, if we could starve the beast, but not without starving ourselves in the process because we still have to work, to eat and to live. And even if we could, it would take years of cooperation and preparation.

                  That's the reality of it. Stuck between a Rock and a left place.
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                  • Posted by term2 5 years, 6 months ago
                    WELL, there is a way I thnk. First, start a company and sell it to some james taggart type who will then destroy it, so you dont need to work anymore.

                    Take your funds and secure them away from the hands of the government, maybe in gold and silver.

                    Small groups of no more than about 50 of like minded gulchers could band together and trade amongst themselves or with other bands of gulchers. Too small to attract much interest, but there could be many of those groups.

                    As far as interacting with collectivists, best to just hide in plain sight. Keep to yourself and dont present a big enough target for them to come after you.
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                    • Posted by $ 5 years, 6 months ago
                      I think the collapse and punishment, (I like that, sounds like a book title) needs to happen quick, over night so to speak, shock and awe, in order to awaken those that will and demolish those that won't.
                      The longer it takes to pull that off, the riskier it gets...we have a nation of busy bodies now.

                      Don't get me wrong, I am not opposed to trying, I just don't see a clear reasonable, doable and successful path to achieve the end goal.

                      That said, you have some good ideas.
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  • Posted by EgoPriest 5 years, 7 months ago
    Oh, thanks for bringing that up! I was just yesterday thinking about the Swiss connection in relation to Ayn Rand and her choice of Ouray, Colorado ("Little Switzerland") as her inspiration for Atlantis.

    Specifically, could she have been inspired by more than the similarity of terrain and her happiest childhood recollections of mountain-climbing with her family before the Bolshevik Revolution wiped all reason from the face of Russia.

    Could she have been thinking too of the political autonomy of the cantons as a model? I'll have to research this further (one of my college degrees was in cultural geography).
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