Politics According To Krauthammer

Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 8 months ago to Politics
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I just finished Charles Krauthammer's last book, "Things That Matter." It is so brillian that I literally found over 100 topics to discuss in this forum. But I won't. At the very start of the book he makes the point that no matter how much effort he puts into writing about science,medicine, art, poetry,architecture, chess, space, sports, numbers, in the end they must "bow to the sovereignty of politics."In trying to move the spectre of politics off the table he got into the Voyager probes and whose voice narrated but Kurt Waldheim, a former NAZI. It prompted me to ask the Gulch one simple but extremely profound question: What one thing would you send on Voyager 1 and/or 2? Krauthammer finally winds up saying what biologist and philosopher Lewis Thomas proposed as evidence of human achievement ;the Complete works of Bach.(Personally, I would have chosen Beethoven). So, am asking this forum, if you were allowed to send only one item on Voyager 1 or 2, what would it be? Remember you are representing all of earth from fauna to flora, from philosophy to nonsense, from math to quantum. Just one thing. Music? Science? words? go for it.


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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Indeed it was hidden. Makes more sense that there were more reasons than a woman scorned, although that could too could explain it At this point both parties are no longer alive and we have all moved in many years ago
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  • Posted by GaltsGulch 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hi Herb,

    TIP: Attack the argument, not the man. When reviewing your comments before submitting, look for the words, "you", or "your", and just make sure you're taking the best route to make your point. In fact, try saying what you want to say without using those words. If you can't, you're probably pointing at the wrong target. :)

    And, don't forget, as the post owner, you can hide whomever you like at anytime by employing, "Hide", or "Ignore."
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We take a lot for granted in the USA. Except for theft of about half of what we make and regulation of most things we do, we have basic liberties that a lot of people in other countries don’t have
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Funny. I never had a dog in that fight. I went on to just learn whatever I could from both of them
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The time I saw the disturbance with the picture, I remember rand rather roughly directing the ushers

    I never saw anyone be unruly and demanding. I certainly would have stuck up for the speaker, who I had paid to hear

    I can understand rands prohibition against recording if she was selling the recordings. I have to admit that she covered so much ground that I would have wanted to record it so I could listen to it sgain
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  • Posted by 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In the case of France or Russia the people were living in misery. The same cannot be said for the USA. Even our poorest have it better than most middle class in other countries.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Did she ask the ushers or was it understood that they would do it? I think the policy was routinely announced in advance by Ford Hall that recordings and photographs were not permitted.

    It is disturbing to the audience (or used to be) any time a speaker becomes upset or there is a disruption in a serious public lecture with some kind of enforcement invoked.

    That happened during one of Leonard Peikoff's lectures there in the 1990s. Some clown in the audience stood up and interrupted, angrily yelling his opposition incoherently. Everything ground to a halt while Leonard Peikoff expressed his justified displeasure, the clown refused to sit down and be quiet let alone wait for the question period, and the ushers eventually dragged him out. Some in the audience quietly complained that the 'protestor' had a right to speak, too, as if Leonard Peikoff had been in the wrong for not allowing the outburst interrupting his prepared lecture.
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Humans are very complicated, rational in some area and irrational in others. Very hard to tell, in that outside influences seem to bring out unexpected behavior
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If you read Valliant's book you will see that it didn't happen suddenly. There was a long period of problems becoming worse. It seemed sudden because no one on the outside knew about it or expected it and Branden had not been making the progress that Ayn Rand had expected and wanted.
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    His nicknames should be taken in the context of politics. And his nicknames are really insightful for the most part. Politics runs on short sound bites more than actual facts today

    When it comes to serious negotiations I think trump is very serious and respectful so long as he gets respect in return
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes he incurred the wrath of Ayn Rand, but unlike the Brandens she didn't dwell on it. He was out of her life and she proceeded to ignore it

    You can find out more of what went on from the use of her diary in Valliant's The Passion of Ayn Rand's Critics: The Case Against the Brandens, finally written, independently, in 2005 after years of diatribes from the Branden's.

    But you are right that far more important is the content and application of the ideas. It only comes up now when one of a handful still harboring bitter resentment starts gratuitously pushing the personal attacks.
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was there, but it happened quickly. She had the ushers run over to the girl and either remove her from the hall or take her camera- I couldn’t really tell you for sure

    I can tell you it was a bit disturbing to see. Ayn rand could have just calmly reiterated her desire not to be photographed. Her reaction was excessive relative to whatever damage was done by a simple photograph, at least IMHO
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My use if the word excommunicated had more to do with the swiftness and completeness iif the split on the part if ayn rand. One day things were ok, and the next came the complete dissociation with branden
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, it would have been better if Branden hadn't come apart. Ayn Rand would have preferred it, too. She had tried to help him.
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago
    I have to mention a few things:
    1). Reversing the course of a nation of 300 million people is a massive task involving its citizens for the most part to change their whole philosophy if life
    2). Such a reversal will take many many years, maybe if the order of several generations
    3) The lives of most people alive today in the USA would be over before that happened
    4) For people alive today who already embraced individualism to live in country that embraced individualism , it would need to be a new “gulch” that was self sufficient and very well defended indeed.
    5) The main reason America made the successful split from England was geography and self sufficiency. Those elements are harder to come by today unless the gulch had a very low level of creature comforts
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Some who have met him say he is very personable in person. He would probably give an honest answer. But I don't t think you have to ask to know that he realizes how badly he has been treated. I wonder if he realizes how offensive to many a lot of his own public behavior has been -- "big hand", "lyin' Ted", etc. (But that's not the only reason he is treated badly in politics.)
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Went off the rails" because you "think took a picture"? During the lecture, a personal intrusion? What really happened and what preceded it?

    She did ask that people not take photos, saying that she was "too old for that".

    Yes, she had had a hard life but was very determined. She also tended to appear 'formal' to some people. There is no doubt that some found her intimidating.
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Obviously their relationship was over. By using the word prefer, I meant that i would have liked it if things worked out. But it wasn’t my day at all
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He certainly incurred the wrath of ayn rand. It wasn’t easy to really know what went on between them without being a fly in the wall. In the end we are left with the work they both did and to apply it to our own lives
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A lot of actions are fast and complete; that doesn't make them "excommunications". Personal associations are not institutions, let alone religious or with rights of membership for the faithful, and not associating with someone is not a decree.

    Almost no one was close to the Branden situation, and could not have been, but a minority of detractors of Ayn Rand with their own personal resentments and spurred on by the Brandens, circulated that kind of rhetoric, bitterly playing on false connotations, to spread it among people who did not know.
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are a lot of people on this forum who get right down to the bottom of things. I think half the voters just “knew” trump spoke the truth to them, but were afraid to speak out openly. Look what happens when one wears a MAGA hat in public today. But in the solitude of the voting booth, truth wins out
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Absolutely set the standards for a constitution high. My overall takeaway from the Jefferson museum was that there was intense compromise to arrive at a document at all. Same as what happens today in politics
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are right. Maybe not democratic socialism. But for sure the libs will go all out to defeat trump. He sort of lured them into complacency in 2016 but never again
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump is one of the few people I would love to have lunch with where we didn’t have to worry about leaks. I would like to ask him if he realized how badly he would be treated as president and whether he would have run if he had to do it again.
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