John McCain to discontinue medical treatment for brain cancer
I didn't always agree with him and his positions but I will miss him when he departs the political scene. He was first and foremost an honorable man a man of courage. There are few like him in there strength and resolve to do what they perceive as right and correct.
Now I just gotta show off with some really real un-PC.
Hang on! Here we go with my first un-PC imagining~
Hey, John! Wanna hear a lot of groans?
Go knock-knock on heaven's door, John!
Me dino be tempted to to think up more.
No, just stop it, dino. Just stop it.
Go do something else.
Hey, John, now we know what's been wrong with your mind for all these years.
Yet that is what he is widely admired for; serving not only to promote evil but used as a cover to excuse all manner of destructive policy and action.
"A man of courage" with "strength and resolve to do what they perceive as right and correct" for fundamentally wrong and evil goals with fundamentally destructive thinking is not admirable with only "disagreement with some positions".
We don't have to -- and should not -- embrace inappropriate mocking his cancer and be 'glad to see him go' in death to recognize that. Such personal lashing out detracts from and obscures rational evaluation.
Your response in the link you sent is right on
He can't be blamed for giving up information under torture; one can only hope that he mixed it up with falsehoods to mislead them. When an American soldier is shot down and tortured by communists there is no question of what side for us to take without qualification. But neither do we go on from there to suspend all judgment about what happened since.
Trump called him out with his statement about preferring people who did NOT get captured, and McCain responded with true hatred for Trump no matter what happened after that. We are stuck with Obamacare as a result of McCain's hatred.
On April 6, 2012 when I met with the U.S. State Department’s Deputy Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Mr. Frank Ruggiero, I asked him who are the real decisions makers regarding the continuation of the war in Afghanistan? He implied that it was not President Obama when I asked if it was the President. It looks like it is the Pentagon, war mongers and war profiteers especially the ones in our government arguing for the continuation of this war, which is highly profitable to them.
I strongly believe it is time that the Senate Ethics Committee investigate whether or not Senator John McCain, Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, and other senators, such as Senator Tom Cotton, Senator Lindsey Graham, Representative Dana Rohrabacher and Representative Adam Kinzinger have conflicts of interest and allegedly are personally profiting from the perpetuation of the war in Afghanistan.
It has been alleged in the Afghan media and by some Afghan individuals that some U.S. Senators, who sit on the Senate Armed Services Committee, are profiting from the war and the drug trafficking in Afghanistan such as through the provision of necessary chemicals to convert the raw opium to heroin. Senator John McCain’s wife, Mrs. Cindy Hensley McCain’s businesses allegedly profit from the war in Afghanistan. It appears that Senator McCain tries to keep an arm’s length distance from his wife’s war profits to try to shield himself from conflict of interest problems.However, since Senator McCain is presently serving as the “Chairman” of the Senate Armed Services Committee, the ethics committee should investigate these allegations. In addition, it has been reported by Afghan media, Afghan individuals and other western media that intelligence services such as the CIA and MI6 are involved in the drug trafficking in Afghanistan. The Senate Ethics Committee needs to investigate these allegations involving senators and any alleged connections that may be conflicts of interest
In addition, I Congressional Committee need to investigate the funding of the so-called “ISIL” fighters in Afghanistan. I believe individuals such as U.S. Senator John McCain are obstacles to peace in Afghanistan because of the war profiteering in his family. At a recent U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee’s hearing on February 9, 2017, when General Nicholson was asked why the United States or the Afghan government do not use air power to eliminate the opium fields, General Nicholson quickly stated that the counter narcotics policy is not a defense policy. Chairman McCain did not make any comment. It appeared that it was an issue no one wanted to address especially the war profiteers on the committee. Very quickly the committee moved on to the next issue.
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/06...
And what do messed-with laid-off steel workers do? They bring in the AFL-CIO. That warden got drunk one night, called a union activist officer over to his house, punched the said officer in the guts, got sued and settled by paying one of those undisclosed sums the punched officer said he could not discuss under court order..
Raised by an anti-union father, I reluctantly joined for my own protection. Things did get way better.
Later I felt repulsed when the union sent me their AFL-CIO magazine with a smiling Slick Willie on the cover. Me dino threw it away on sight and did the same to any other union magazine sent in the mail.
I stayed in that union, though, until the end of my my 21-year-career.
My major sticking point for staying in the union was that if I ever got wrote up and suspended without pay for usually a month, the union would pay me the same amount to sit at home.
Long story short, I was never suspended without pay. That "insurance policy" caused me to breathe easier, though.
Ain't saying I was never chewed out. There were so many picky, picky ways to get into trouble it would make your head spin. And through the years, a few of my co-workers proved to be "back-stabbers" as a figure of speech..
During a shift briefing, I recall nodding when a lieutenant said "This is a cutthroat business."
Perhaps that is what mminnick is saying.
I remember the time (yes back then!) when Josef Stalin died. I lived in a country that thought of itself as cultured with good manners at least in public. The press deplored a few of the celebrations coming from the US. I shared that view, then, before I knew much about Stalin.
Yes, let there be more civility in public discourse but refraining from making justified criticism is self-censorship and hypocrisy supporting the bad, worse than bad manners.
Now if he'd just resign to fade away quietly with his family instead of being a wrecking ball, turncoat, obstructionist for the establishment and special interests...
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...
We don’t say his name, John M
Traitor/Pawn
John Sidney McCain III is an American politician serving as the senior United States Senator from Arizona since 1987. He was the Republican nominee for President of the United States in the 2008 election, which he lost to Barack Obama. ISIS collaborator and traitor. https://www.google.com/search?q=mccai...
His role in accusing Trump of Russian Collusion from his mouth.
He as a US Senator who knowingly took the bait from a foreign intelligence (spy) Recieving false inflammatory lies written and compiled by a foreign spy to influence a US Presidential election and presidency. A piece of shit in my book.
Sen. John McCain provides intimate details of how he obtained the infamous so-called Steele dossier in his new book, "The Restless Wave."
The Republican senator was attending an annual security conference in Halifax, Nova Scotia shortly after the presidential election in November 2016 when retired a British diplomat approached him.
According to McCain, he didn't recall ever having a previous conversation with Sir Andrew Wood, but may have met him before in passing. Chris Brose, a staff member on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and David Kramer, a former assistant secretary of state with Russian expertise, joined McCain and Wood in a room off the main conference hall.
After discussing Russian election interference for a few minutes, Wood explained why he'd approached McCain in the first place.
"He told me he knew a former MI6 officer by the name of Christopher Steele, who had been commissioned to investigate connections between the Trump campaign and Russian agents as well as potentially compromising information about the President-elect that [Russian President Vladimir] Putin allegedly possessed," McCain wrote.
Wood told McCain that Steele had compiled a report, while careful to note the information was unverified, which the former British spy "strongly believed merited a thorough examination by counterintelligence experts."
"Our impromptu meeting felt charged with a strange intensity," McCain wrote. "No one wise-cracked to lighten the mood. We spoke in lowered voices. The room was dimly lit, and the atmosphere was eerie."
He hasn't had a worthwhile thought in 30 years.
His brain hasn't worked in 50 years and yet the disgusting traitor still hasn't retired. He just keeps on stealing from Americans, a GOP Jimmy Carter.
Even the Vietnamese kicked him out.
FFA please be careful and circumspect when using the term traitorous. It is used far to loosly in todays world of hyperbole and personal attack.
Added: See SECRET EMPIRES by Peter Schweitzer, HarperCollinsw, 2018
Added comment: Secret Empires by Peter Schweitzer HarperCollins 2018
There is no reason to say that McCain was a patriot who kept his country's best interest in mind.
He was a stellar example in his early years but he has changed.
If your logic holds, then everyone who ever had a stint as a patriot would qualify.
McCain undermined GOP efforts in the past years. Her did so only for his personal glory.
I do not ask anyone to take my same position. I don't really expect too many to even understand it. I have not walked in your shoes and you have not walked in mine.
One more sentence to add to what I said above: if we forgive people the evil things they have done because there have been good things they have done as well, to me that logic would apply to all criminals. Surely, everyone has done something good in their lives.
It is difficult for me to look at this as a balancing act between good and bad. If all the bad wipes out every trace of the good, especially at a time when one's role is of extreme consequence to the country, it can't be justified.
Just as you I don't ask you to take my position, though.
If notified of impending release, can the prisoner negotiate- I refuse to go unless you . . . ?
I would have thought it would be- Release means walk out or get carried out.
I didn't like his "campaign finance reform"; I believed it was a violation of the First Amendment. In 2008 I voted for Romney in the Va. primary, even though he had dropped out; but I hoped that if he got enough votes, he might get back in. But after McCain got the nomination, I voted for him because I considered Obama too Socialistic.--I still respect him for his
service in the military, particularly what he endured as a POW in Vietnam. I understand that he could have been released, but he refused; it had something to do with a fellow prisoner. I have read in the Code of Conduct: "I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy." Brain cancer is a horrible thing: I
have to regret that he died that way.--I don't think it was necessary to direct that Trump not come to his funeral.--Ah, well. Someone on the radio was remarking about his not resigning from the job even though he wasn't going on to the floor and voting, and that remark made some sense.
But he deserved some respect. So let him rest in peace.
McCain wasn't in Washington to vote since December of last year. He clung to his position for eight months so the Republican governor could not appoint a replacement.
I liked McCain when he ran for POTUS, but he blew it with his choice of running mate.
The Republican legislation would not have repealed Obamacare, it partially replaced it with their own statism, weakening some of it, with some provisions that were worse. It followed Trump's pitch replacing "repeal" with "repeal and replace". McCain blocked it out of revenge against Trump, but it wasn't repeal that he blocked, and of course he did nothing else himself to try to repeal it.
Trump's statement might have been a bit unnecessary, but I kind of agree that a hero is really not one who was captured and tortured by another country. That takes no heroism at all. You just sit there and be tortured.
One would expect that a "political giant" and "great Senator" as the media is bending over backwards to sing his glory, would honor that position when it came up for vote.
It was defeated on his vote in the Senate.
McCain has served this country dishonorably.
That is his legacy.
His "legacy" of "serving his country" is couched as being a "war hero". He was not. A war hero is someone who does something definitive and great to win the war, or at least some part of it if the war is ultimately lost -- something that stands out as significant accomplishment beyond what others do in battle. McCain did nothing of the kind. He was quickly shot down and captured -- that was unfortunate for him and not something to disparage him for, but it doesn't make him a war hero. He undermined his own personal heroism in contending with his torturers by refusing to leave when he had the chance, deliberately choosing to be further tortured by the enemy, which added to his own permanent, disabling personal injuries.
He basked in that pointless, chosen horrible sacrifice ever since as if it were a national and personal virtue. Tolerating and surviving torture would be personal heroism; choosing it is not. It did no one any good. He should have gotten out when he was offered the chance and then used everything he knew about it to help go back and rescue the others. Instead, we are expected to -- and most of the country does -- laud him for the claimed virtue of choosing to suffer and accomplishing nothing through sacrifice for the sake of sacrifice. No one likes the fact that he was tortured by communists and he did not deserve that; but choosing to continue it was senseless, not virtue, and does not make him a war hero.
I thought Obamacare should just be repealed. Things were much better before Obamacare took over, and replacing it with some other useless government program wasnt right. BUT, you needed 60 senate votes to do that, and democrats wouldnt break ranks. So here we are stuck with insurance we cant afford to buy, and certainly cant afford to use.
I was always questioning his "hero" status since there were never any specifics added to justify it other than him being tortured. Trump had it right when he said he preferred "those who were not captured" which of course was received by howls how insensitive he was.
But he is able to translate his instinct into practical reality which I take any time as a substitute for words.
There is no substitute for words, i.e., rational thinking, in "practical reality". That is Pragmatism, not Objecivism. Trump's unprincipled Pragmatism relies on implicit, unacknowledged principles he has adopted -- without understanding -- to declare what "works". If his "instincts" lead to some approximately good position in "practical" reality, which they certainly often do not, it is because of some implicit more or less proper principles that he can't articulate or defend, and it doesn't take much for him to wander off even from that. This is a big problem with Trump idolatry following the 'man on the white horse' without regard to rational principles.
Trump had some approximate glimmer of what McCain was doing in exploiting his (unjustifed) reputation as a "war hero". He knows that being taken prisoner is not a value in fighting war, let alone an exemplary accomplishment, but that's all. As soon as he was publicly challenged with boos and hisses he emotionally reacted to undercut his own statement, apparently under bad advice from his advisors, because neither he nor the rest of them understood the concepts and principles required to make the essential distinctions. They could not expose the package deal promoting sacrifice as a moral criterion, used to overwhelm all other considerations. Trump backing down resulted in a strengthened false moral sanction for McCain. His "instincts" could not and did not help him or us.
You love words as your post indicates and present your "sounds good analysis" as facts.
Your grasp on what Trump is quite superficial, not even close to what he is and capable of accomplishing..
You have the