Scientists Show That Water Has Memory

Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 1 month, 4 weeks ago to Science
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20 plus years ago, it was suggested that water had memory...now science thinks they see it.

"Through this discovery which shows that water has a memory, according to scientists, a new perception of water can be formed. The German scientists believe that as water travels it picks up and stores information from all of the places that it has traveled through, which can thereby connect people to a lot of different places and sources of information when they drink this water, depending on the journey that it has been on."
Here is the article: https://resonance.is/scientists-show-...

Memory definition, the capacity or faculty of retaining and reviving facts, events, impressions, etc., or of recalling or recognizing previous experiences.

I wonder what the water on Mars, the moon, a comet or the Sun could tell us, if we could decode the memories of water?

Brings new meanings to: quenching one's thirst for knowledge!
SOURCE URL: https://youtu.be/ILSyt_Hhbjg


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  • Posted by  $  puzzlelady 1 month, 4 weeks ago
    That's not memory, that's the residue of previous exposures--a simple function of causality. Walk in rain, get mud on your shoes. Do your shoes now have memory? Beware of concept pollution.
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    • Posted by  $  1 month, 4 weeks ago
      I understood the use of the concept of "memory" to be metaphoric at this point. However, it is interesting that the molecular structure of all the water molecules in the glass recorded the same change.
      (I think it would be appropriate to use the term "recorded" in this experiment)

      However: Memory definition, the capacity or faculty of retaining and reviving facts, events, impressions, etc., or of recalling or recognizing previous experiences.
      That kind of fits, doesn't it?

      I am still wondering if other liquids, absent of H20, would show the same results, like oil products but I suppose there is some H20 in that too, maybe.
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  • Posted by Lucky 1 month, 4 weeks ago
    The website is mumbo-jumbo sales.
    There is no falsifiable proposition.
    Multitudes of wild statements are, 'Not even wrong'
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    • Posted by  $  1 month, 4 weeks ago
      The interesting question is: if in fact water carries information/recording it's exposures, (instead of using "Memory as a metaphor"), do our bodies use, decode or otherwise benefit from that information...assuming we could call it that.

      I find the proposition interesting. The only thing that is definitive is the observed changes...now should come the how and why...in my estimation.

      PS...did you read the article also?
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      • Posted by Lucky 1 month, 4 weeks ago
        Old.. your points:
        'if' - if !
        There is no proposition that can be verified or falsified.
        I do not watch youtubes. I spent time on their website, hence the opinion.
        I noted quantum this, quantum that, energized crystals, black holes, ancient whatever, many links do not work, those that do go to advertising courses.
        In this context the word 'science' means the same as in climate science.
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        • Posted by  $  1 month, 4 weeks ago
          The original article was on the Resonant Science foundation site I posted in my commentary...didn't read any of that there.

          I agree about youtube sites, got to be choosy, but the sound was better there than the one posted in the article.

          Doc99's comment made an interesting point, check it out.
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          • Posted by lrshultis 1 month, 4 weeks ago
            Nassim Haramein, the amateur scientist, does not recognize that math and physics are not the same. Physics must obey math but math does not imply physics. Physics is a science and math is a logical mental activity which must be consistent but not built from only from observation of physical reality. As mental activity of describing measurements and relations, it is not reifiable, i.e., does not exist in physical reality and is just a conceptual activity.
            He thinks he can calculate the mass of an electron from some physical constants which include the Rydberg constant which is calculated with the electron mass being physically measured. Just numerology there.
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  • Posted by  $  1 month, 4 weeks ago
    Memory definition, the capacity or faculty of retaining and reviving facts, events, impressions, etc., or of recalling or recognizing previous experiences.
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  • Posted by  $  jlc 1 month, 4 weeks ago
    Of course organic molecules from the flower would alter the structure of water. It may be that the article means to indicate that the water did not contain any such molecules, but the description of the experiment did not make that clear.

    This sounds closer to mysticism than to science. At this point, I am not impressed. Perhaps a more detailed report would knock my socks off, but as of right now they are still firmly on my feet.

    Jan
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    • Posted by  $  1 month, 4 weeks ago
      The written part of the article I posted in the commentary was better. Not the best study I've read to date but it still is interesting.

      Using "Memory" as a metaphor at this point in these studies should be tempered in my estimation.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 1 month, 4 weeks ago
    There is one provable fact, which is that the H2O molecule has several different angles of connection between the H and O atoms that are possible, which might be part of the observed effect. I don't know what might trigger an alignment change in some of the molecules, but it could change light refraction when observed at a microscopic level. We agree that when solid state memory changes a bit from a zero to a one charge that it has stored information, so if the state of a drop of water changes due to some interaction, wouldn't that be considered stored information?
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    • Posted by  $  1 month, 4 weeks ago
      There you go...now that is using one's noggin.
      They never did measure the charge even though there obviously was a resonant change.

      I thing you have something there, Doc.
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  • Posted by wiggys 1 month, 4 weeks ago
    i have a memory and that is that the germans believed in a guy named hitler. next they will say they can talk to water, find out what the water droplets are thinking or maybe listen in on a water droplet conversation. a joke of a nation
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    • Posted by  $  1 month, 4 weeks ago
      That's an odd view of German Scientists...at least they are not caught up in Crony science like here in the states.
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      • Posted by lrshultis 1 month, 4 weeks ago
        Please clarify "Crony science like here in the states." Is that some kind new age view of modern science?

        https://www.quora.com/What-do-physici...

        Do you go looking for pseudoscience sites on purpose?
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        • Posted by  $  1 month, 4 weeks ago
          Doing only the science that the government will fund.

          And...this article was not pseudoscience...this was an honest experiment, although much to be desired, and the metaphor's and posing questions lack thoughts on how to go forward.

          personally, I would have liked to see experiments on liquids that do not contain H2O to see if they react the same way.
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          • Posted by lrshultis 1 month, 4 weeks ago
            Were the water samples used be each person from the same water sample? I would have liked to have had a reference sample used in the four experiments. Samples from different sources will have different solutes and those give different compositions and thus give different results. Nothing new here, just some nice pictures.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 1 month, 4 weeks ago
    Not enough data in this to determine if this is "science" or not. They are apparently saying that pure unadulterated water changes when you add something to it. Should I be surprised that a flower leaves something behind in water? Not exactly a surprise since water is a great solvent.
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    • Posted by  $  1 month, 4 weeks ago
      I would call it: scientific observation. Sure, no mechanism is identified but science has been looking at this phenomenon forever, especially in regards to resonance and frequencies.

      I just wonder if other liquids do the same thing...I would think they do.
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      • Posted by wiggys 1 month, 4 weeks ago
        might be interesting to chime in on an alcoholic drink conversation
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        • Posted by  $  1 month, 4 weeks ago
          Now that is funny...we couldn't use alcohol as a test bed for "Other" liquids because there is water in alcohol too.
          As far as testing other liquids to see if they do the same things as water, I was thinking of Oil products as an example.
          Can't think of another liquid that wouldn't have H2O mixed in, right at the moment.
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  • Posted by  $  DeangalvinFL 1 month, 4 weeks ago
    hmmmmm
    Not sure what to make of all of that.
    Honestly, it didn't make much sense to me.
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    • Posted by  $  1 month, 4 weeks ago
      The structure, what a water molecule looks like after being exposed to something "Not water".
      Like the flower in the video.

      I remember seeing a water molecule that was tainted with a pollutant, even thought the pollutant was removed, the water never reverted back to the way it looked in the beginning.

      I think the use of the concept "Memory" is metaphorical but a better understanding would be: The waters exposure to something is recorded in it's representation, it shape or simply what it looks like after as opposed to what it looked like before.

      Does that help?
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      • Posted by  $  DeangalvinFL 1 month, 4 weeks ago
        Kinda, but I would have to see the data or pictures more closely.
        The H2O isn't changing. Somehow what is mixed in with the water is revealing an impression. That would make sense, if that is what they are getting at.
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 1 month, 4 weeks ago
          I think it's motivated reasoning. They're starting looking for some way homeopathy could be real. It doesn't make any sense, though, so this is the best rationalization there is.
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          • Posted by  $  1 month, 4 weeks ago
            I don't know from where you come, CG, but seeing is observing. The experiment had nothing to do with homeopathy or succussion.

            I just wonder if other liquids have the same character.
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            • Posted by lrshultis 1 month, 4 weeks ago
              So you would mistakenly say that the liquids in this experiment might have some kind of memory?

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpJ-k...
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              • Posted by  $  1 month, 4 weeks ago
                No, I would not have used that metaphor...we don't know that, but clearly a change took place. I would of suggested that it showed a record of the change...which, I think, is simply the observation.

                It's still interesting...how often do we get to view molecules changing like this.
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                • Posted by lrshultis 1 month, 4 weeks ago
                  There is no view of molecules there. They are very hard to view and when are, then just bumpy smudges averaging the electron densities. I doubt that the molecules are changing. What is observed are emergent qualities due to different compositions of the liquid, The only change was the use of different liquids by different experimenters.
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                  • Posted by  $  1 month, 4 weeks ago
                    Supposedly all the drops came from the same source at the same time...or at least, that is what is conveyed.
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                    • Posted by lrshultis 1 month, 4 weeks ago
                      So what occurs is due to the experimenter performing the experiment? Thus some kind of connection between the experimenter's physical existence and the liquid? It was said liquids were used from same batch and an experimenter gets repeatable results but another person will get different results under the same conditions. So time to check the setup.
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                      • Posted by  $  1 month, 4 weeks ago
                        What?...has nothing to do with the experimenter performing the experiment...I don't get where you are getting that.
                        This seemed to me to be an honest attempt, sorely lacking the data we all look for, but an honest attempt just the same.

                        I get what you were saying about the magnification of molecules and it's really hard to see the underlying structure.
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                        • Posted by lrshultis 1 month, 3 weeks ago
                          The video said that all the experimenters used water from the same batch. So the only way that they could get different results from each other would be by some action of the experimenter, that is, if the conditions under which the experiment was performed by all the experimenters were the same, otherwise it would not be a scientific experiment that could be evaluated. Apparently, the supply of water has no memory since the experimenters got different results from each other.
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        • Posted by  $  1 month, 4 weeks ago
          The photos are highly magnified and show the structure of the water molecule. Each is different, opposed to say, a molecule of gold; every molecule of gold looks the same, it has the same structure but Water is different, each molecule is different for having been exposed to something different than the other water molecules.
          In the example, (being exposed to the flower) that exposure is represented in the structure of all the molecules of water in the glass...it's the one thing (in this experiment), in common.
          The video shows this.

          Granted, seeing the water molecule, magnified yourself, in real time, would be preferable.

          PS...water is amazing stuff, it seems to structure itself differently according to sounds, harsh sounds-ugly, pleasing sounds-attractive and some scientists claim the same happens with emotions or intents as well...there are plenty of videos showing this...but here...I am with you, I would want to be there, insuring the test is honest, no slights of hand.

          This article/video is different than most of those other videos...it represents an actual scientific test, in a class with other participants and not just a show on youtube.
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          • Posted by Riftsrunner 1 month, 4 weeks ago
            The reason gold looks the same is gold is an element. The water molecule is made of two seperate elements (hydrogen and oxygen), and when in liquid form it breaks into H+ and OH- ions and back into H2O molecules over and over. This is basic chemistry. So if you place water next to a charged medium (for example, the gel) the water will seperated into its ions and form an interface between the gel and the bulk water. The reason infrared light disrupts this equilibrium is it is also heat. So where the light shines it causes the water molecules to change state more quickly between it H2O form and it ions.

            For anyone to prove water has memory, they would need to make sure there is zero contamination from any sources. Even a slight imperfection in the glass slide would cause a change in structure of the water molecules. Then there is temperature which would need to be maintained to such a point that it would probably be near impossible.
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            • Posted by  $  1 month, 4 weeks ago
              Agreed...I remember reading an article 15/20 years ago that claimed that water's memory could be erased...interesting prospect, never read anything more on that one.
              Seems to me if that were possible it would be the ultimate decontamination procedure.
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  • Posted by Jstork 1 month, 3 weeks ago
    Substances released by the different species of flowers could interfere with the regular polarization pattern of the water molecules. Pure water molecules have an angular v-shape configuration. To imply that two hydrogen atoms bonded with an oxygen atom could have any degree of memory (sentience) is ludicrous. The individual cells of our bodies (in spite of their complexity) are essentially bags of chemicals reacting with each other and the chemicals from our system going in and out of the cell membrane.

    I call poppycock.
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    • Posted by  $  1 month, 3 weeks ago
      I think the confusion is the use of the concept of "Memory". As stated else where on this post, I think it appropriate to use the concept of a "record of the event, change, interaction, intrusion or addition".
      A mere record of an event would not assume Sentience.
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  • Posted by  $  allosaur 1 month, 4 weeks ago
    Wow, me dino never thought of water drops internally containing different patterns kinda like snowflakes do externally.
    No, not the snowflakes that scream and bawl "Not my president!" and want safe places with coloring books.
    The original kind that floats down from a cold cloud.
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