Science without Philosophy Can’t Resolve Abortion Debate

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This article presents both sides of the argument. the article is lengthy and sometimes convoluted but worth a read regardless of your position on the debate.
SOURCE URL: http://newideal.aynrand.org/science-without-philosophy-cant-resolve-abortion-debate/


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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 5 years, 8 months ago
    Yikes, the third rail.

    From a biological point of view there is a continuity from conception to death. A genetically unique, identifiably human creature is formed and then grows, is born and lives. It never becomes something different. There are a few distinct events that happen, implantation, the heartbeat, removal from the mother and the first independent breath. "Viability" is not a distinct event and is subject to technological advancement.

    The article talks a lot about fetal pain, but that's pretty much a red herring, we deal with pain all the time -- as the article says. One wonders why the author spent so much time on an issue he had dismissed.

    The question becomes not "when is it human", but "when does society decide to protect it." And that, most definitely, becomes a matter of philosophy.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 8 months ago
    This article makes me think of the larger philosphical issue of where we get our axioms.

    I completely agree that science does not tell us when we can use force to protect a fetus.

    So we don't want arbitrary axioms/values that come from our ancestors' religion, but we don't want to pretend science has easy answers to philosphical questions either.
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  • Posted by mshupe 5 years, 8 months ago
    The article seems to claim that the pro-life advocates have a stronger philosophical case and a stronger scientific case.
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  • Posted by DeangalvinFL 5 years, 8 months ago
    If someone cuts your hair, are they killing human life? If you have an arm amputated is that killing human life? How about a kidney transplant?
    If not, then the parts of the body are not human life.
    So, what part of a body in the womb constitutes human life, if any?

    The article is correct in that such an answer is not purely in the realm of science, nor is it purely in the realm of philosophy.
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    • Posted by $ Abaco 5 years, 8 months ago
      Since we're getting into semantics...If a doctor goes in and cuts the arm off a fetus and that fetus and arm are left in the womb...at the end of the gestation period doesn't a person emerge who's missing an arm? I'm not making fun of your point...This is just the thought that popped into my head reading it. Are you implying that a human wouldn't emerge? Am I making sense here? No, cutting hair doesn't kill human life. Grinding up the vitals and/or stopping a beating heart sure does though. There's a difference between that and a haircut...right? Oh...and I didn't read the article.
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      • Posted by DeangalvinFL 5 years, 7 months ago
        Yes, it often comes down to semantics and precisely defining your terms to have a meaningful communication regarding something as all encompassing as the term human life. Define human, define life, then define the combo of human life.

        If only speaking of the physical, then human life has one type of meaning. If speaking about those non-things that differentiate us from other forms of life, then human life means something else. Such as; sense of humor, patience, imagination, use of imagination, tears of joy, tears of sadness, thinking, contemplative thinking, etc.

        The article is quite long - read WilliamShipley's note above which succinctly calls out the difference better than the article does.

        The article's main point, I think, was to call out that you have to ask a proper question to get a meaningful answer. Scientific observation is one thing and interpretation of the data is another.
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