Do you have an escape plan like this?

Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 7 months ago to News
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I have to wonder if that floorplan is legit. They've allocated a lot of space to "living" areas, when what you need is a large storage area for food and water - the average person is going to burn 2500 calories and a gallon of water per day. The other thing not mentioned is the energy source...
SOURCE URL: https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2018-rich-new-zealand-doomsday-preppers/?cmpid=BBD090518_BIZ


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  • Posted by exceller 5 years, 7 months ago
    So it is New Zealand they are planning to live in.

    Ginsburg said that much when she announced she'd move out of the USA should Trump be elected.

    Unfortunately she is still here.

    The problem with places like this is that they may look like paradise now but once all these lefties move there it'll be just another CA or CT.
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    • Posted by DrZarkov99 5 years, 7 months ago
      I've been to New Zealand, and while a beautiful country, they live on their own precipice of apocalypse, sitting on a supervolcano, with so many aftershocks from the 2010 earthquake they still can't rebuild Christchurch (sad, since I still remember how beautiful it was when I visited in the 1970s). Not exactly the ideal place to escape to.
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    • Posted by term2 5 years, 7 months ago
      Exactly. And the other issue is to actually GET there during some sort of pre-apocalypse scenario. Plus, NZ isnt going to want to accept refugees and will probably deny visa entry.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 5 years, 7 months ago
    Yeah, I spotted this article yesterday. I find it interesting. I don't blame them for doing this.
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    • Posted by $ 5 years, 7 months ago
      I'd certainly have something like it if I could afford the price tag. I have to settle for something far more economical - and less insular.
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      • Posted by term2 5 years, 7 months ago
        I think that you have to move there now, really, in order to get settled and figure a long term method of survival. Theres food, water, medicines, etc that you will run out of and have to continually replenish.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 7 months ago
    I have a bizarre fascination with deluxe bomb shelters like that.

    Regarding energy, it seems like they could buys a supply of fuel to last some time. What would be awesome is a low-power nuclear reactor. I keep hearing we're close to having them. They produce enough energy for a few houses and are not hard to maintain. They could put their escape place in a remote area no one cares about. It's way easier than sending people to live in space.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 7 months ago
      I think NZ is nuclear-free.
      Too bad it's not socialist-free. The CA socialists from the Bay area will feel right at home lording their elitism over all the lower classless kiwis - until the locals get pissed and discover the property must be returned to the Māori.
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    • Posted by term2 5 years, 7 months ago
      Cutting back on energy usage, reliance on solar generation and solar heating would help too. No matter how you cut it, we would have to reduce our standard of living if there is an apocalypse type event.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 7 months ago
        Yes. A Captain Obvious remark on my part is I hope we avoid cataclysms and continue expanding free enterprise to raise standards of living for humankind. I know that's obvious, but people don't say it enough.
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        • Posted by term2 5 years, 7 months ago
          leftist thinkingvand actions have created a huge national debt of 21 trillion and rising by 1t a year just to maintain the economy as it is now. Ceasing the printing if money would toss into a recession. Fixing the trade imbalance would probably make that a depression. And result in major price increases. Leaving money printing and trade imbalances alone will kick the can down the road until something triggers a collapse that money printing can’t fix

          So it’s pay me now or pay me later. Politicians never want to pay now and give up re election. So they kick the can down the road. Therefore I think that an apocalyptic economic event will be sprung on us when the fiscal tricks the establishment plays stop working

          So Iits looking like we are in for a rough ride where a lot of wealth simply disappears from the financial system. (It’s really gone already, but that is hidden by borrowing and the Fed)
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 7 months ago
            If we simply froze gov't spending, the fiscal deficit and its twin, the trade deficit, would disappear over time.

            But not only is there incentive to party now and pay later, mini-crises are actually beneficial to politicians who can do things they otherwise couldn't if we did the boring approach of addressing the problems responsibly ahead of time. Rahm Emmanuel said that explicitly.
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            • Posted by term2 5 years, 7 months ago
              Since there is a 1t deficit each year, we would have to cut government deficit out completely and THEN freeze that reduced budget. Instant recession and lots of politicians out of work. Something tells me it’s not going to happen
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 7 months ago
                "Since there is a 1t deficit each year, we would have to cut government deficit out completely and THEN freeze that reduced budget. "
                1. Recessions and expansions are normal stages in the economic cycle, but I completely agree that it's politically impossible to call for something that resolves a long-term problem but is unpleasant for several quarters, esp if it puts politicians out of work.
                2. You don't actually have to freeze the reduced budget. The economy grows each year. If you freeze spending, meaning decreased per capita spending goes down, the problem resolves itself slowly. Of course some people see even decreasing the rate of spending growth as draconian "cuts". Any solution is politically difficult to execute, even though the actual problem is simple.
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                • Posted by term2 5 years, 7 months ago
                  Given that non discretionary spending is MOST of the budget, and that is controlled by long standing promises of welfare and medicare spending, the budget will creep up no matter what the politicians do.
                  I agree, none of this is going to be voted in by politicians.

                  There is only a crash of some sort to look forward to when they cant kick the can down the road any further.
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 7 months ago
                    I'm generally an optimist, esp about the long run, but I think you're describing the unfortunate truth. I'll write an occasional letter. I've thanked my senator, Ron Johnson, for having the national debt on his home page. They will listen if enough voters write to them and mention the issue at fundraisers. But I'm not optimistic that any action will happen without a mini-crisis.
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                    • Posted by term2 5 years, 7 months ago
                      I think we have been lucky for years already. I think the money printing has gone on so long that to stop doing it would cause at least a serious recession, and dramatic cutbacks in entitled social programs. And if we tried to pay back the national debt, taxes would have to go up creating a more serious recession. The other way to pay back the recession would be to have fairly serious inflation of 10% per year for a number of years. That would cause a radical reduction in private and corporate wealth, and again a serious recession or depression.
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                      • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 7 months ago
                        "dramatic cutbacks"
                        It doesn't have to be either dramatic cutbacks or massive deficits. We could have just frozen spending. We keep increasing it, regardless of whether it' Bush, Obama, or Trump. If we froze spending the problem would resolve without drama. But I completely agree with you that we'll only address it in a dramatic mini-crisis.
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                        • Posted by term2 5 years, 7 months ago
                          But current spending incurs a trillion dollar deficit. So a trillion dollar cutback would be required to just not make the problem get worse.
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                          • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 7 months ago
                            That is correct. GDP rises over time, but probably not enough to overcome the fact we're digging in 1 trillion a year deeper. I think you're right that just freezing spending wouldn't quite be enough to do it. There have to be some cuts.
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                            • Posted by term2 5 years, 7 months ago
                              And cuts aren’t likely to be voted by politicians. That means we will have. A collapse if the US dollar either slowly through inflation or all of a sudden due to some sort of apocalyptic event or massive loss of confidence
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                              • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 7 months ago
                                "And cuts aren’t likely to be voted by politicians."
                                My guess is politicians will enact modest service cuts and tax increases and the Fed will assist with loose policy (with higher inflation) once the crisis materializes, avoiding a dramatic cataclysm. This is just a guess.
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                                • Posted by term2 5 years, 7 months ago
                                  Your guess is probably right. I would call it the Venezuela approach. Try for a soft landing- but there is the end of the runway and when you get there, a crash results. There is a let if wealth for socialism to use up in the USA before the crash happens here. Maybe 50 years worth?
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  • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 7 months ago
    It's a lovely place to live.
    Be aware of the active volcanoes and earthquakes on the south island before you settle there. Underground bunker could be your last resting place.
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    • Posted by term2 5 years, 7 months ago
      I have visited NZ in the mid 80's, and it was a very nice place. Its probably a bit different now, and would be a lot different if a lot of people escaped there from the rest of the world.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 7 months ago
        My first trip there was about '86 and I was unimpressed. Bad weather and the local tourism lacked any ability to respond. Bailed out and went to Hawaii for a few days instead.
        But I returned and lived in NZ for about 2 years in 2010-2012. Some things better, but still not enough free market thinking for me.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 5 years, 7 months ago
    I want the bedroom closest to the bathroom!

    You are correct, not enough food storage, one bedroom has no closet and notice, only two can eat at the table at one time...a whole lot more thought and planning needs to be done but aside from that, it's a start.

    The assumption though is that some assemblence of civilization will still exist. Some of the disaster scenarios suggest that it won't.
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  • Posted by chad 5 years, 7 months ago
    Although New Zealand may not be on anyone's enemy or target list all of the socialists going there guarantee's that it will definitely be the haven they want. New Zealand already leans hard left so no one would have to be convinced to bow to the elitists, the collective is ready to accept their leaders. I don't fear the world ending with a bang (war etc.) as much as I think it will end with a wimper continually descending into democratic communism where the collective will think they are free because they get to vote for new leaders who will continue to destroy them.
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  • Posted by dansail 5 years, 7 months ago
    In the event of a nuclear holocaust, how is their plane going to fly? The electronics will be wiped out with EMP, they won't be able to gas up (no electronics to run the pumps) and no one in New Zealand will be there to land them.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 5 years, 7 months ago
    Me dino lives at the edge of forestation with lots of birds and squirrels just in the yard to shoot at with a BB gun.
    I can also hunt deer and turkey with a shotgun.
    Can't afford to do much else.
    Have a lot of ammo. Problematic is eventually running out of bang-bangs.
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  • Posted by shaifferg 5 years, 7 months ago
    Re Power source: many of the current spacecraft that are flying have nuclear power sources, so they do exist and likely can be purchased if there are enough $ available. Power sources for craft leaving the solar system or to distance points where limited energy from sun is no longer available
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