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Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 9 months ago to History
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By now, we are all familiar with the problems faced by America relative to illegal immigration. But, there was a time, early in the 20th century,
when immigration was welcome and sought after, with many square miles to fill. Just about all you needed to do in order to be an immigrant was was to be healthy enough to remain vertical. If you saw the beginning of "The Godfather Part 2" you got a pretty clear picture of Ellis Island. In Poland and Russia Jews were were confined to "shtetles" ( Little States) within or nearby a city. Unless they were either professional men, land owners,or shopkeepers who dealt in necessities (butchers, bakers, food suppliers , etc.) they were so poor that many of them literally starved to death.This is about my Grandfather on my mother's side.

My Grandpa, Manus (Mike) Sherman, his wife and daughter live just outside of Lublin the 4th largest city in Poland in what we call today the Ukraine. He was a non commissioned officer in the Polish army., from which he defected at the outset of World War 1.He changed his name in order to keep from getting caught.and his passport wouldn't sound any alarms because he stole the I.D. off of a dead soldier. It's about this part where I tell you a couple apochryphal stories that circulated among immigrants.There were dozens of themand here are just two: Jews hated the army. In those days, they had good reason to. They had no loyalty to the repressive country in which they lived and they were treated even worse in the army than they were as civilians.

At Ellis Island many of the men, especially those from Germanywho were fleeing the Kaiser's conscription were loathe to give their real names, and on one day they decided to all say "Ich fergessen" (I forgot.) The closest to that in the ears of a minimally educated official, was "Ed Ferguson." That day a hundred or so Ed Fergusons passed through Ell Island. Here's another one:: Before going on permanent AWOL many would steal the wallets of the dead soldiers, not for the money, but for the I.D.Hence our new family name on my mother's side became Shermann, the second n getting dropped when Grandpa got ajob.Another great incentive was that Ford was paying $5 a dayand once the rumor was confirmedyou couldn't hold back half of Europe from immigration. $5 was a month's income in Poland.

"Mike" had a few bucks saved up from many years of manual labor so he traveled to Detroit, where he got a job in construction, building the Rackham Memorial Building, a Marble palace in the cultural center which also contained the Institute of Arts and the Main Library, also marble clad masterpieces.During this time my mother developed rickets from malnutrition so, her mom sent her to live with her parents who owned a small farm. For the first time in her young life, she was able to eat decent food and lots of fresh vegetables and eventually she grew strong but never achieved what should have been her full height.Grandpa told me that he couldn't believe his good fortune. To be able to live a life that Americans took for granted. He got hired at Ford making more money than he ever imagined.Enough to pay rent, clothes, food, and even some to save.He loved Amerca and learned English as quickly as he could so he could become a citizen. By his accent some would call him Russian(same as A.R.'s). "I can tell by your accent tht you are Russian." His back would stiffen up and he'd look the person in the eye and say, "Not Russian, American!" While he was proud to be an American , he still retained some old country habits. He drank only Corby's whiskey when indulging because it was the cheapest rotgut. He also like Slivovitz, a very potent plum brandy. It was said that after uncorking the bottle, the fumes alone would make you drunk. He loved caviar. Not that expensive blsck stuff that you daintilly put on crackers, but the orange fish eggs that you could smell 2 blocks awa when he opened the jar.And that's the difference between 1920 and 2018. Every family had its own stories of coming to America. I have just skimmed the surface. I have had the good fortune of being 1st or 2nd generation depending on which side you look at. As I was growing up, I heard various aunts uncles and, of course, parentstell me how lucky I was to be born in America.They were right.
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  • Posted by DeangalvinFL 5 years, 9 months ago
    The Christian faith has flaws, as others do. My initial call out was that it is not an all or nothing situation. You and eww clearly disagree.

    Yet, your logic that "as you love yourself" indicates, implies or would result that an individual has no value is backwards. Every person that I know considers love to be a positive sentiment. Love yourself is an indication of self worth, not lack of it.

    And the neighbor comes second. Love AS you love yourself. So, if the neighbor is doing things of which you do not love, then no need to love the neighbor for those things. It is not all or nothing.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The worst part is that they believe "lie" themselves and the destructive nature of what it is. The process of lying is wrong in principle; when an insidious lie is elevated to a world philosophy it is much more destructive.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You can rationalize the "symposium" by observing that some other ideas immigrated to your thread.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That motive in that kind of entertainment is a variation on suspense in fiction. It is not the mentality of those who metaphysically wallow in mystery.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A growing economy is good. It does not make Trump an advocate of the rights of the individual and pandering to collectivist "jobs" rhetoric as the justification of business and profit does not address, let alone, reverse the downward trend into statism.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Self-effacing "metaphors" that include "we" as primitives obscure the essence of what we stand for.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 9 months ago
    They do what they can get away with. Their power has vastly declined over the centuries and they fear losing more followers, who are already inconsistent and, especially in this country, highly secularized. That they don't get away with what they used to and would like is not a reason to tolerate their false premises. It matters what people think.

    Those who are still inconsistent followers who think of the Church as representing an ideal even if not followed, would be freed from their guilt and the irrational influences in their lives if they would simply throw it all off and see it for what it is, making room for a rational philosophy that would improve their lives.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Frying people on earthly burning stakes is barely a glimpse of what they want people to believe will happen to them in eternal torment. Torturing people in cook outs was only as close as they could come here on earth.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Support and imposition of such laws has been the history of the Catholic Church. The recent law in Texas is not an aberration from the underlying theme (and did not come entirely from Catholics). Up until the 1970s they were banning contraception as well as abortion. In assessing the Catholic position it is not enough to say "they have a right to it themselves" because inherent in their position is universal duty imposed on all of us from a "higher authority". With such a fundamental duty mentality they are not about to adopt a "libertarian" position; they take their mysticism and belief in duties seriously.

    The second statement you did not comment on is more fundamental than the politics: It is not "ok" to adopt self-destructive beliefs even with a political right to do so. Not only is it self-destructive, it has consequences for all social interactions including politics.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What is not to like about it? This is not a matter of a right to do something wrong, to be frowned on but not punished. The choice is not subjective opinion in deciding what to do with one's own body. The decision is to be rationally made on the basis of whether or not she wants to bear a child and be responsible for it in comparison with else she is doing with her life. That is not a right to do something that is wrong or somehow unseemly. The only thing "not to like" about it is the necessity of a distracting, time consuming medical procedure, necessary under the circumstances but otherwise preferred to not be required.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Religious injunctions are duties to be obeyed, not a starting point of your own value to yourself. They allow no "make up your own mind" -- from either a subjective "viewpoint" or an objective ethics based on one's own happiness as the goal and the nature of human rationality as the standard. Demanding to love everyone as yourself negates the possibility of value; it is not 'value for value'.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 9 months ago
    The means of saving one's own soul is said to be dependent on sacrificing to the value of his neighbor, who to himself is worthless, but who is to be "loved" like you love yourself as your own worthless self! It's circular nihilism now posing as "individualism" and "sound advice".
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's not expertise, just basic knowledge of Martin Luther and the Reformation. He wasn't alone in the self-flagellation by his intellect and its consequences. Yet he is typically overrated in the name of a supposed moral idealism and champion of modern human rights. He wasn't. He represents the internal collapse and disintegration of the corrupt religious dominance of the time. At least for that we can be grateful.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The world will take more than a little note of the decline of this country and Donald Trump's part in it as a symptom, not the cause. Taking ideas seriously does not make posting about Trump a barrel of fun.

    Speculations about personal motivations and "prickly" name-calling are not superior recognition of anything. I don't know what email you are talking about. I did not email you.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 5 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That part of it is ok. However, there is a lot that is neither free, destroys freedom and leads people to hurt people.
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  • Posted by 5 years, 9 months ago
    I guess it's because of my age. I'm still thinking of the Catholics I knew in years past. Because of various reasons, I'm somewhat of a troglodyte now with most social contacts on line.
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  • Posted by 5 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't like abortion. but, I don't believe in laws that punish for doing it. A woman's body is hers to decide what to do with it or to it.
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  • Posted by 5 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My main objection to Christianity is that it is a lie from start to finish. As long as you accept that all the morality, rules, and laws may actually be valid, they are based only on an attempt to keep its followers in line.
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  • Posted by 5 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It really is strange when you think about it. An individual has no value, but his neighbor does. And his value is dependent on his neighbor. In other words, everyone has a value except to themselves. A formula for submissive slaughter if ever there was one.
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  • Posted by 5 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As long as it doesn't hurt anyone and it is a form of enjoyment for some persons, I'm OK with it.
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  • Posted by 5 years, 9 months ago
    "Wallowing in the mysterious." That's why scary films are so popular.Sharks seem to be the latest scary items, taking over from zombies. We love to be scared as long as we know that we're actually perfectly safe.
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  • Posted by 5 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But it has a powerful appeal via emotion.Those who adhere use the Samuel Goldwyn description when religion is no longer rational, which is, "I may not always be right, but I'm never wrong."
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