NASA will pay you up to $750,000 to come up with a way to turn CO2 into other molecules on Mars

Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 7 months ago to Science
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This wouldn't seem too hard for some of the brilliant people in the Gulch. Not me, not a chemist type...
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 5 years, 7 months ago
    The intention is to make methane (CH4) and oxygen, which theoretically should be possible using the atmospheric or solid CO2 and water, which has been confirmed to exist on Mars. I suspect what NASA is looking for is a small enough generating system that can reside in a small unmanned rover as a proof of concept before we start sending people there.
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    • Posted by $ 5 years, 7 months ago
      I'm sure that is at the root of the offer, I would think more detailed study of the offer would tell us if success is just a experiment or a real system. I still think the need for an electromagnetic field strong enough to help protect an atmosphere is a bigger issue, as the solar wind strips molecules away probably as fast as created at this point.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 5 years, 7 months ago
    This is similar to a project I worked on several years ago where solar energy (light) and carbon dioxide were used by specially bred algae to produce oxygen and complex hydrocarbons. I am sure NASA is aware of this as it was a NASA project. I have given the process some additional thought over the years so maybe I should submit my ideas. Should be fun.
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  • Posted by maxgeoac 5 years, 7 months ago
    Why not send up a bunch of blue/green algae and spread them in as many places as possible? Cyanobacteria use Photosynthesis, so Oxygen is a byproduct. Also, once there is enough of them (much as we are already doing here on Earth) you can create fuel from them. The only issue is the lack of water on Mars' surface. The other issue that comes to play is the overall amount of Iron in Mars' soil. There is a hypothesis going around that one of the reasons that Oxygen is limited on Mars is that the majority is bound in the Iron making Hematite or Goethite, the majority of the rest is captured within the CO2 in the planet's atmosphere. Unlike Earth where the majority of the Iron has sunk to it's core or trapped in the mantle, Mars hasn't had such fortunes. So there are a few obstacles to overcome besides just converting CO2 into something a little more useful. That is, unless you want to fuel a base, provide some oxygen for it's inhabitants, and maybe some food/fertilizer.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 7 months ago
    The concept of making fuel out of the CO2 in the martian atmosphere is so common in sci-fi I actually thought a process already existed to do it. Maybe there's a theoretical reaction but not process to realize it with equipment that would fit on a space ship.

    The long-winded way of saying they're seeking CO2 reaction processes is funny.
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    • Posted by $ 5 years, 7 months ago
      750K worth of funny, but they may be seeking a way to counteract the lack of a magnetosphere and also to address the low gravity.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 7 months ago
        "Why not just compress our CO2, mix in a bunch of hydrocarbons and oxides from pollution and ship it there as "gas bombs"."
        My understanding is Mars has CO2. So in sci-fi stories, they usually have technology to use the CO2. I remember two of them where they brought something they could react with CO2 to make fuel for a return trip. Red Mars, though, went the other way and considered releasing locked up CO2 into the atmosphere just to get more pressure and higher temperatures. As it is, the atmosphere is so think, I don't think you could survive with an oxygen tank.

        Regarding the magnetosphere, in As It Is on Mars they store stuff on the roof to absorb the radiation. In Red Mars they live underground, but incidental exposure to radiation causes them to focus their medical efforts on repairing damage to DNA replication, which leads to a startling serendipitous discovery.
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  • Posted by IndyMike 5 years, 7 months ago
    Simple plants turn CO2 into C and O2. I suggest evergreen because of the cold climate. The carbon stays in the plant the oxygen and water vapor gets released into the atmosphere
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 5 years, 7 months ago
    NASA is stealing outside competitive ideas again, ie, from Robert Zubrin-Mars Society and others then claim it as there own. There are no more creative thinking people left at NASA. Even when they're talking about sending astronauts to Mars they don't say anything about creating centrifugal gravity or a magnetic field around the craft to deflect interstellar particulate radiation. I remember reading a long time ago in Analog Scifi magazine an article about doing that.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 5 years, 7 months ago
    Why? Greenhouse gasses are essential for terraforming Mars. What we deem industrial pollution woyls help contain/retain an atmosphere. Further, trees and other oxygen generating foliage consume co2.
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    • Posted by $ 5 years, 7 months ago
      My guess would be a need to create complex molecules for other building block types. Unless they can find the lost coal pits or oil wells, Mars will have 0 hydrocarbons. Don't you need complex molecules to be heavy enough to stick around? CO2 is light enough to not be held by the weak gravity maybe?
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      • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 5 years, 7 months ago
        As speculated in Shadows Live Under Seashells, using nuclear fission in timed pulses COULD re-moltenize(?) and create a rotation in Mars' core to construct a magnetic field which would trap greenhouse gasses (warming the planet in conjunction with orbiting solar mirrors)

        I know its all speculation, but nothing I wrote is out of the realm of possibility. The real question is how long term a plan does NASA have considering this is very short term need they are addressing.
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        • Posted by $ 5 years, 7 months ago
          Excellent point, they ARE talking about terraforming, which should be considered an engineering science project, requiring a package deal to make it work, just taking a stab at one little part of it does not seem logical, more like a PR stunt. Good point AJ.
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