Half Truth or Fake News? PBS, biased again.

Posted by  $  Thoritsu 9 months, 2 weeks ago to News
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Data is correct, but...
Picture of AR15s with title about gun deaths, when AR15s are responsible for a tiny fraction.
Death rate, not balanced by total homicides/deaths (knifes, blunt, etc).
Mass shooting note about the effect, but then note about how silly it is to respond by arming teachers.
Then the total gun deaths, not adjusted for population.
Unsupported/misleading statement that guns are a major health problem from a Harvard professor.

Seems like all the data is correct. How can this be fake news?
SOURCE URL: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/theres-a-new-global-ranking-of-gun-deaths-heres-where-the-u-s-stands


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  • Posted by RangerL 9 months, 2 weeks ago
    It’s the usual lies, damn lies and statistics. When that doesn’t work they move on to “big data.”
    The article gives an intentional mistaken impression. It fails to include any mention of the frequent use of guns in defense of life. The government purposely doesn’t even collect data on the number of times guns are used in self defense, often without a shot being fired, because they don’t want to know.

    The article further doesn’t mention that when one type of weapon is difficult to obtain another is used. You are not going to prevent someone from committing suicide by restricting guns, they just use another method: jumping from a great height, knife, belt, shoelaces or a fist full of pills. You aren’t going to stop crime by making guns more difficult to get. England has horribly restrictive guns laws and is an island which makes it more difficult to get around the restrictions by bringing weapons into the country; this is the left’s frequent excuse for why gun laws don’t stop murders in Chicago and other leftist hellholes. There are still plenty of crimes using guns in England and when guns aren’t convenient they use knives, explosives and trucks to kill which is why PBS won’t show those statistics. Knife crimes are so bad in England they are discussing knife control. This is a further regressive policy by people who call themselves Progressives in Orwellian fashion. The Magna Carta, often considered an inspiration for our Constitutional rights and the first delineation of the rights of subjects recognized a right to be armed. Prior to this it was illegal, usually punishable by death, to own or carry a sword unless you were some lord’s knight. Soon they won’t even be allowed to carry a knife let a sword.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 months, 2 weeks ago
    On a somewhat bizarre note, NPR is being blackballed and censored by the social media tech giants for publishing a report about how phony the declarations of hundreds of school shootings are. They had the unmitigated gall to actually call each of the schools cited and ask if the reports were true, and discovered that most were uninvestigated anecdotal statements that NPR found were untrue. Link here: https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/...
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 months, 2 weeks ago
    Five of the top six countries for firearm death rate are Spanish speaking!

    Why is there no outrage?
    Why is there no call to make it illegal to speak Spanish because it obviously causes people to become crazed murderers?
    Make it illegal for Spanish speakers to cross the border into the US without explicit permission.
    Wait, it is already illegal. Where are all these dangerous gun-wielding Spanish speakers coming from?

    (note the above comments are tongue-in-cheek)
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  • Posted by term2 9 months, 2 weeks ago
    I get it. liberals and their media want to take away all guns, except those held by the government. That helps guarantee the politicians in the government will stay in power. Tried and true methods used by dictators all over the world.
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  • Posted by peterchunt 9 months, 2 weeks ago
    Thank goodness we have the second amendment. In Canada where gun rights are not a part of their Constitution they are actively looking at outlawing handguns.
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    • Posted by  $  9 months, 2 weeks ago
      That will be great. Only the criminals will have them, and crime should soar
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      • Posted by term2 9 months, 2 weeks ago
        Only the government will have them, and their power will go up and government crime will soar. The liberals dont really care if the criminals cause crime- just look at democratic controlled areas. If they cared, they would do something about crime in those areas.
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        • Posted by  $  9 months, 2 weeks ago
          Would be disgusting
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          • Posted by term2 9 months, 2 weeks ago
            It is getting harder and harder to take the liberals seriously and not just go GALT on the whole thing and let it collapse of its own weight.

            The problem is that going GALT has immediate downsides for ones own life, and requires giving up a lot of the creature comforts and benefits we still get from the capitalistic parts of our society. It is getting to me more and more, though.
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  • Posted by  $  exceller 9 months, 2 weeks ago
    And your point is with the fake news?

    The US is 30th in gun related deaths.

    Suicide is a totally different matter, which you should know had you paid attention.

    As for PBS, it has always been biased, not "again". For them even Juan Williams was an enemy after making his remark on ME-looking travelers.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 9 months, 2 weeks ago
      Problem is the DC politicians are only committing political suicide.
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      • Posted by term2 9 months, 2 weeks ago
        I do think that eventually, they will make gun ownership illegal in the USA. They are chipping away at it every day relentlessly. Requiring registration of all guns is the first step to confiscation.
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        • Posted by freedomforall 9 months, 2 weeks ago
          Eventually is a long time. If, over the next 50 years, the socialists continue to gain in power and immigration of people with no understanding of the importance of private gun ownership continues unchecked, while those of us who understand and have experienced some freedom grow old and die, then private ownership of guns could be legally banned without an uprising. If we teach our children and grandchildren the crucial importance of private gun ownership and they teach their children as well, then the state could make firearms illegal but the civil unrest that would result would make Lincoln's Tariff War seem like a minor disagreement.
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          • Posted by  $  9 months, 2 weeks ago
            I keep answering questions on Quora about “What gun laws would gun right advocates consider appropriate/helpful/good?”

            My answer has been, requiring firearm education in public schools. This would ignorance, accidents and irrational fear. I would support this.
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            • Posted by freedomforall 9 months, 2 weeks ago
              I know you mean unbiased firearm education instead of the biased anti-gun propaganda that currently is preached in schools (that honest sane gun owners are forced to pay for.)
              That plus a repeal of all existing gun laws because they all violate the 2nd amendment. ;^)
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          • Posted by term2 9 months, 2 weeks ago
            True enough. Francisco in AS had it right when he said that its a war out there, and we need to take sides- referring to the collectivists. Maybe I will put my MAGA hat on again and see if someone can tear it off my head while he sees me gun
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    • Posted by  $  9 months, 2 weeks ago
      Point was just another example of fact-picking to play pied piper to willing lemmings.

      I don't know what I was supposed to pay attention to, but i certainly know 1) suicide is a different matter, and 2) the statistics are co mingled. Next would be to leave out law enforcement (generally justified) homicides, and drug/gang violence is an iffy portion. Take that away, and the US is way, way down.
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      • Posted by  $  DeangalvinFL 9 months, 2 weeks ago
        And if you could further delineate between cities and states within the USA you would get an even more dramatic picture. The vast majority of places in the USA are very safe, in a relative sense.
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        • Posted by  $  9 months, 2 weeks ago
          Clearly. We don't even lock our doors. No issues in pseudo-rural town.
          Of course three 90-ish lbs loud labs help too, but if someone wants to break in, they better bring their lunch. Some part of them is staying here.
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  • Posted by  $  DeangalvinFL 9 months, 2 weeks ago
    Bias is an apt description.
    At least they do present the data on a per capita basis and they do call out that many, if not most, gun deaths are due to suicide.

    What is left are relatively small numbers. Other issues are far more worthy of governmental attention.
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    • Posted by  $  9 months, 2 weeks ago
      Drives me crazy they use a statistically irrelevant firearm in the opening picture. Makes me want another "Black Guns Matter" bumper sticker.
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      • Posted by  $  Snezzy 9 months, 2 weeks ago
        They also use a non-sequitur:
        "These numbers come days after a gunman in Jacksonville, Florida, fatally shot two people and injured 11 more before he killed himself..."

        Somehow the Jacksonville shooter caused the numbers? Or perhaps the numbers retroactively caused him?

        Perhaps if we just string words togetherness gunslinger morphing salad undressing reporter easy paycheck cloud cuckoo.
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