NRA is in deep financial trouble and may soon 'be unable to exist'

Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 8 months ago to Government
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Why doers this whole mess sound like something Ayn Rand would write? If you can't make a group illegal, stop them from fighting your attacks on peoples freedom, just accuse them of selling "illegal brand insurance" and fine them a ridiculous amount....
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 5 years, 8 months ago
    We are seeing this from financial services companies not allowing firearms companies to process credit cards etc. Where the hell is the federal government, to be consistent thy should be using the interstate commerce clause to make these businesses do business with the minority which is the NRA and the firearms business. They sure as heck use it to ram all sorts of things down our throats.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 5 years, 8 months ago
      This problem arose directly out of Operation Choke Point, an FDIC program which simply declared all companies and individuals in certain industries to be "high risks for money laundering" and threatened to audit any bank which didn't stop providing service to them. Besides gun dealers, they targeted the check cashing industry, porn producers, and several other industries Democrats don't like.

      So the problem here is not the Federal Government doing nothing, it is the Federal Government doing "something" when it ought to have done nothing.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 8 months ago
      +1
      "Where the hell is the federal government"
      Pursuing their goals of increasing the power of government and enslaving the people. Firearms in the hands of the people is the largest impediment to that government goal.
      Don't expect any government to be benign or to do anything that embraces individual liberty and your level of understanding will increase.
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      • Posted by evlwhtguy 5 years, 8 months ago
        I was of course being facetious. It is amazing that the story laid down in Atlas Shrugged can still be relevant all these years later. Totalitarianism just never changes.
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      • Posted by $ 5 years, 8 months ago
        I don't know if that is the Trump gangs fault, Obama stacked all the Fed bureaucracy with his people.They are the ones who will not lift a finger to enforce a standard on all, only against a conservative group or company. It takes time to kill the rats, look at how long it took to take down Lerner and her IRS scam, and then we find No Name McCain in the middle of it. The evil runs deep, the corruption foul.
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        • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago
          I have very little respect for our government at this point. It is crooked to the core. Although Trump is dedicated to drainnig the swamp, its just too deep and wide to be drained in 4 years, and when a true socialist gets in there, or a crooked hillary type takes over, it will just get deeper and wider.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 5 years, 8 months ago
    Somehow I doubt that they will be so financially strapped as to threaten their existence...let that threat escape into the lamestream and conscious folks will fix it fast!!!
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    • Posted by KevinSchwinkendorf 5 years, 8 months ago
      The NRA was founded in 1871, the NRA-ILA (Institute for Legislative Action) in 1975 (just a couple years after the notorious Gun Control Act of 1968). I am a Patron Life Member in the NRA, and the NRA isn't going anywhere, except "up." Back in the 1980s, NRA membership topped 3 million for the first time. Membership is now close to 5 million.
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      • Posted by $ jdg 5 years, 8 months ago
        That's funny, most of the gun people I know have abandoned NRA for GOA, CCRKBA, and other groups. Because while those groups were advancing liberty by pursuing litigation such as the Heller and MacDonald cases, NRA's leaders refused to back them, thinking the courts would only make things worse.

        NRA is not "too committed to 'my way or the highway'". They are not committed nearly enough.

        The whole right wing needs to be purged of cowardly "cuck" groups like the NRA. And I believe the market is doing exactly that.

        Full disclosure: I was an NRA member in the '80s, long enough to have voting rights. Then their EVP Harlon Carter published a piece called "Winning the War on Drugs", which showed that his group had no respect for any of the Bill of Rights except the 2nd. So I quit. I have seen no sign that they have changed that attitude.
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        • Posted by $ 5 years, 8 months ago
          Interesting, and thanks for the different view, it bears thinking on what group we do need. I just never saw NRA do much except yell about 2nd amendment and I thought they did just what you say they do, only I thought I just wasn't involved enough.
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          • Posted by $ jdg 5 years, 8 months ago
            It also annoys me that NRA will never endorse independent or Libertarian candidates, even in races where the Democrat and the Republican both favor gun control. I've long suspected that NRA is in the pocket of the GOP leadership.
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            • Posted by $ 5 years, 8 months ago
              Now, that is an interesting point. We know the deep state includes republicans, many of the last few presidents were identified as having been in it, Bushes, Clinton and Obama. Reagan was the odd man out, just like Trump, and his politics showed it. So, just as the deep state has it's propaganda wing, and clients, it is no stretch to see the NRA as a member of the republican part. Remember, this is not a right/left thing, it is a elite group who think they can run the world better than the existing structure, and it is a global effort. It isn't clear yet where Vlad falls on this, being that he is essentially Russian leader for life, but that will all come out.
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  • Posted by KevinSchwinkendorf 5 years, 8 months ago
    Quoting from the article: "New York state determined the insurance was illegal, writing the group has 'unlawfully provided liability insurance to gun owners for certain acts of intentional wrongdoing'". I assume they are referring to "Carry Guard," which is the NRA's insurance coverage for reimbursing legal expenses incurred after using a firearm in self-defense. First, Carry Guard is NOT illegal - it would take the idiots in UpChuck Schumer-land (New York) to come up with such crap. Carry Guard is very similar to other insurance policies available through such organizations as USCCA (United States Concealed Carry Association). Second, it would take the IDIOTS in New York to define use of a firearm in a SELF-DEFENSE event as "intentional wrongdoing" - what a crock of crap. But again, we are talking about New York here. If not for Californicate and New York, Donald Trump would have easily won the popular vote along with the Electoral College landslide he received!!!
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    • Posted by $ 5 years, 8 months ago
      Well, there you go Kevin, this is a good example of how the deep state is working to get their way on many fronts, not just the feds. I am sure they can get it overturned, if just for the exceptions you mention, but also because it is all just wrong, and clear manipulation of the courts.
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  • Posted by mshupe 5 years, 8 months ago
    Maybe yahoo is publishing this to scare people out of joining or renewing or subscribing to the NRA? Better yet, is there a blockchain solution the NRA or other entities could create?
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago
    The liberals are waging a never ending fight against anything the populace could use to defend themselves against an immoral government. Thats what the fight really is about. They want defenseless citizens who will have no choice but to buckle under to the demands of the government.
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  • Posted by Larian 5 years, 8 months ago
    This is such progressive horseshit... but if you fight back on the same ground we become them... I am really starting to HATE these people.
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    • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago
      It really IS a war out there as Francisco says in AS. Its getting to the point where fighting with words will no longer be effective. At that time, either we stop paying taxes and bankrupt the government through passivity, or actively engage in guerrilla warfare. Both are bad choices, but in the end we will be in the same boat as the jews in nazi germany if we do nothing. There is also just leaving the USA
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    • Posted by $ 5 years, 8 months ago
      I have avoided being a member simply because they seemed too far off the rails, and too committed to "my way or the highway" as the left is. However, given their abuse and attacks by the left, I almost feel I need to join just to add to the numbers.
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      • Posted by Larian 5 years, 8 months ago
        Ive been a member for quite a while, and you're right we are our way or the highway because that is how the constitution is written. "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" is pretty clear IMHO.
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  • Posted by AlfredENewman 5 years, 8 months ago
    Your argument is somewhat ambiguous. Is the argument trying to imply that Ayn Rand would write the article or be in opposition to it?

    With more than a half century under the influence of Ms Rand I would say her intent would be in opposition. However not knowing the intent of the argument, it would be presumptuous of me to project my view on your arguments intent.

    As to the article, it would be my opinion that they are trying to project wishful thinking. While the NRA is a poor excuse for the protection of guns rights, they seem to be all their is. Why they need the expense of media liability insurance is beyond justification as the premium would necessarily have to be in excess of risk. It would seem the money would be better spent on a legal staff that could avert and where that is not possible, to defend.
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    • Posted by $ 5 years, 8 months ago
      Alfred, my point was the use of a legal system to sue them for "illegal brand insurance" is an abuse of the legal system, and power, and is just a miserable coverup of an attempt to destroy the NRA when other means have failed. Seems a perfect example of the way the Thompson admin ran things...therefore an example of something that could have come straight from Ayn Rands book.
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      • Posted by AlfredENewman 5 years, 8 months ago
        I would have to agree in spades with that argument. The legal system today has nothing to do with justice, it has become a system of domination.

        Using Roger Stone as an example, Mueller's acquisitions cost over half a million in legal fees to defend. Most people do not have that kind of money as are punished because they can't afford the defense.

        I have spent more than two decades in the study of law so my cost are but my time. I don't object to using the time as it exhilarates me. Not to mention scares the heck out of the frauds in black robes. They don't know how to handle someone that is adapt at using their system but is not bound as an officer of the court.

        And again, thank you for clarifying the point.
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    • Posted by Larian 5 years, 8 months ago
      Actually they do ok on the national level, but suck on a locaL LEVEL. .Look around you're state... in mine we have a group called GRNC (Grass roots North Carolina) of which im a member, and we do most of the work on the state level. We literally wrote the "Castle doctrine and the Concealed Carry laws for our state.
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      • Posted by AlfredENewman 5 years, 8 months ago
        Interesting! But let me ask, are you claiming responsibility for the North Carolina constitution (by claiming I mean voted for) specifically Section 30:

        Sec. 30. Militia and the right to bear arms.

        A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; and, as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they shall not be maintained, and the military shall be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power. Nothing herein shall justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons, or prevent the General Assembly from enacting penal statutes against that practice."

        Standing armies are dangerous in times of peace... that is unless under control of some unnamed civil power. Care to guess what that civil power would be?

        Also would you care to comment on section 30 where to be infringed does not really mean shall not but can be portioned out.

        North Carolina, home of Loretta Lynch and so many other psychopaths, is one of the most corrupt states in the union. And why not, it has more indoctrination centers than any other state.

        Good luck on your endeavors, that will be a long and exhausting struggle.

        Edit - typo errors.
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        • Posted by Larian 5 years, 8 months ago
          Never claimed to have written the state constitution, we wrote the current concealed carry laws that were enacted in the 90's and all the advancements since then, and while NC is "a collage rich state"...... We are winning again and again. we have also written a national reciprocity bill that has the support of 32 different states, and are currently working on Constitutional carry.... so yeah we are winning even in enemy territory.
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          • Posted by AlfredENewman 5 years, 8 months ago
            Never even meant to imply that you made any sort of claim like that. It was a rhetorical comment meant to open dialog. As a side note I am referring your site to a couple of friends I have in North Carolina that are really concerned about gun rights.

            I am an anarchist and North Carolina (and a few other states specifically) caught my profound attention by the inconsistencies of it's constitution. It becomes even more profound when one starts with the original constitution of 1776.

            I applaud what you are trying to do but to me the goal of diminishing what should not even be is not a valid goal but it is a step in the right direction.

            In my opinion North Carolina is a "college rich" state but all that has accomplished is to make it an ignorant state. Don't get me wrong, there are many intelligent and good people in the state but they are out-numbered and out-voiced by the ignorant.

            Good luck on your endeavors and I look forward to the day that Section 30 loses that last sentence. Unfortunately that does nothing to address the one of the most egregious Sections:

            Sec. 6. Separation of powers.

            The legislative, executive, and supreme judicial powers of the State government shall be forever separate and distinct from each other.
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