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Mandalay Bay owners sue victims of Las Vegas mass shooting

Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 9 months ago to Government
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Here is a poster event for the corruption of law. They will state with a straight face, that they have no liability, even theough they let this guy, "somehowz", bring in an arsenal and then took their sweet time finding him (some say it was a Cabal operation), and they are now trying to find some Judge they think will be nice to them or can be bought off. Sad...
SOURCE URL: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/17/mandalay-bay-owners-sue-victims-las-vegas-mass-shooting.html

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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 9 months ago
    I dont think it was the fault of Mandalay Bay that the murderer used his room to shoot from. He was a regular and rang no bells as to his intention. In fact, the venerable government cant even figure out WHY he did it- after having spend a LOT of money trying to figure it out after the fact.

    How was Mandalay Bay supposed to know in advance. If they did, there is NO doubt they would have kicked him out of the hotel within minutes of getting that info.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 9 months ago
      There are a lot of stories around this, and a lot that does not make sense. Hauling a huge cache of guns and ammo is not just a suitcase operation. Aside from that, one group claimed to find MGMs PR people spread false consdpiracy theories:

      https://yournewswire.com/mandalay-bay...

      There were also talk of arabs and gun sales going on, being the connection of the shooter and his hardware, which he had for show and tell, supposedly, although I have found no data to support that theory.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 5 years, 9 months ago
    Somehow this reminds me of a 1986 incident that occurred during a mini-riot at the state prison I used to work at.
    An inmate sued me for writing him up. What did he do to be written up? He kicked me in the butt while I was fighting an inmate who had taken the police baton from another
    corrections officer who was being beat up by another inmate.
    His lawsuit was thrown out of court. That girlie guy whose nickname was Natalie failed to hurt me when he kicked me. I wrote him up due to the principle of the thing.
    Why did he sue me? I ruined his assignment to go to work release. Too bad. Happy faux pas, Natalie.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 9 months ago
      I just cannot understand how a place that enables someone to bring in an armory to a room, then sues the victims. Like an airline suing the passengers after the crash because they were on the plane....
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      • Posted by term2 5 years, 9 months ago
        They are afraid that the liberal populace will get hundreds of millions of dollars out of the hotel, and they are trying any legal tactic they can to reduce that. Wouldnt you?

        How the hell is a hotel supposed to prevent something like this, when the government with all its resources, personnel, and time still cant pinpoint this guy's motives and plan? Subjecting everyone to metal searches every time they enter the hotel and elevators and stairways would a mammoth job and make the whole experience of staying there very undesirable.
        Might as well close Las Vegas, New York, and Disney land properties.
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 9 months ago
          I would disagree, respectfully. I think hauling all that stuff up was sure to have been obvious in some manner, he could have disassembled everything, but that seems a long shot. How come no security footage has ever been released?
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          • Posted by term2 5 years, 9 months ago
            Second guessing after the fact to assess blame is a typical. Liberal tactic though. What if this killer carried a pound or so of anthrax into a hotel? Then the lawyers would claim the hotel should have monitored each person who came into the hotel. It gets crazy
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            • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 9 months ago
              It does get crazy, but we have released the crazy drug into the world. Think about it, what if that person released the pound of Anthrax? Would the hotel be good to sue all the victims then? A public accommodation needs to be secure, and the crazier the nuts get, the more security they will need. If you "hold harmless" a hotel, then what incentive do they have to pay any attention to anything other than who is stealing towels?
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              • Posted by term2 5 years, 9 months ago
                As it is now, MGM is going to get sued for hundreds of millions of dollars for something that it didnt do. I think thats wrong. It just means that the future customers will have higher room rates to pay for the victims of the murderer.
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              • Posted by term2 5 years, 9 months ago
                I wouldnt go to a hotel that wasnt safe. I think the market takes care of encouraging them to spend their time making things safe instead of paying lawsuit moneys
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                • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 9 months ago
                  Obviously didin't do well in this case, didi it? How does the market punish them, in a free market world? They enabled a nut to kill a bunch of people at a venue not theirs, so does the venue have the right to sue for killing their customers?
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                  • Posted by term2 5 years, 9 months ago
                    The counter suit is just a legal way to perhaps reduce the amount they will have to pay. It sounds ridiculous but casinos usually know what they are doing. They didn’t enable this killer. He just found ways to circumvent mgm’s security
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                    • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 9 months ago
                      Exactly, meaning they need to improve their security, to prevent future incidents. Although, I am not so sure that such things are random, it is amazing how they seem to come in groups, especially when someone id trying to pass specific restrictions. Almost like they get what they need. I forcasted the Florida one, because no one had used a pistol or shotgun, and a week later, boof!. Not that I am prescient, so....
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 5 years, 9 months ago
        Suing all those shooting victims is a lowdown, weaselly and heartless diversionary tactic that I think will big time backfire.
        For one thing, this will anger the surviving victims and families of the deceased and make them all want to sue the hotel more than ever and ask for way larger amounts of damages.
        For another, I have no desire to go to Las Vegas:but if I did, that hotel is now completely out of my options for a place to stay.
        Hundreds, perhaps thousands of others, now feel as I do.
        I hope their hotel business quickly crumbles blows away as so much desert dust.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 5 years, 9 months ago
    I stayed in an hotel in LV while traveling. I had two rifles with me, which I did not want to leave in the car. I brought them into the room. Was that an indication of intended mass murder?
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 9 months ago
      Did you bring Thousands of rounds in as well? Why would it be so bad to have to declare any firearms at check in, so that they know who has what on them? I know that all information is abused and businesses do stupid things, but it seems it would sort of neuter the problem. Not make it illegal to have them, but just informed consent is then given.
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      • Posted by strugatsky 5 years, 9 months ago
        I was taking a rifle course just outside of LV. I had a full can of ammo. Certainly enough for a massacre. There are hundreds of people that go through that range every day; some stay in local hotels. The last thing that I wanted was to run into an idiot at the desk who would not let me in or call a SWAT on me. I quietly brought them in. With some managers asking even cops to leave, do I really want to be Don Quixote and look for another hotel?
        And on the principle - being armed is a basic American right. Don’t let that right slip away or be diluted. Would you be OK with declaring your Bible, Torah, or Koran? Or any other literature, even if you’re carrying suitcases of it?
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 9 months ago
          Not saying that, I would like to see them know it's there and why. That dude had no good reason had he had to identify it. Also, your logic is suspect on the bible part, how many people can you kill with one (and I mean physically, like throwing it at them). You, sir, do not sound like a loon, but in this day and age of morons, I see some adjustments being needed. It does not infringe on any rights to just disclose you have any weapons or ammo and how much with you, not saying they should be able to stop you, but not knowing anything means the nuts still have an open door toa repeat, then the whole SJW world goes back on the ban the gun bandwagon.. note how it died off in a week or so, and has not reappeared? They shift gears like a bad transmission, which still tells me it is a small number of loud people being played, or paid agitators.
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          • Posted by strugatsky 5 years, 9 months ago
            I suspect that you are correct that it is a very vocal (noisy) minority, but the majority has always been unduly influenced by a vocal minority. That's why agitators are on the payroll. Yet, you may be influenced by the "common sense" propaganda of gun control (people control, actually) - the differentiation whether a gun can literally kill vs a book leading to incitement and literally kill. Divide and conquer is the modus operandi. A right is a right. When you think of a Second Amendment, substitute any other right for the word gun and see if the "common sense" restriction still holds valid.
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            • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 9 months ago
              Oh, I am not srguing the validity of the 2nd, nor anyones right to own a gun, just that a load of bibles is not congruent to a a load of guns and bullets, in that they are an intermediary, and the gun is terminal. The gun can kill (when operated by an idiot), and the bible can kill only when used on an idiot, who then must act on it. Thus the bible is an intermediate stop, and the gun is a final step. There has been no greater weapons than the Bible and Koran, and they have killed more people than all the guns, arrows and spears (IMHO, not fact I can prove).
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 5 years, 9 months ago
    I should think that the one to be sued in the Las Vegas shooting would be the shooter. Unless Man-
    dalay could somehow be found negligent in their security, or if they had misrepresented their security.
    But that Mandala Bay chose to sue the victims
    --to me, that is a new definition of chutzpah.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 9 months ago
    What, me guilty? Alfred E. Newman is finding lots of work of late. Of course, expect every legal (and illegal) ploy in the playbook.to be used by MGM. The guy hauled hundreds of pounds of armament and ammunition up the service elevators without encountering a single inquiry. The hotel might have been just a teeny weenie bit suspicious, but no, they actually tried to help him. "No, I can handle it. Thank you." After all he is polite and he doesn't look like a terrorist, or a nut.
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  • Posted by Riftsrunner 5 years, 9 months ago
    This is called a SLAPP lawsuit. They are trying to intimidate the victims to either drop their suits or incurring huge legal fees to make it difficult to maintain their claims against Mandalay Bay. MB doesn't expect to win either suit, but see it as a way to mitigate a huge loss in court, by offering a much smaller settlement to the victim in the future.
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