'Cultural Marxism' Is Not the True Culprit of Our Cultural Decay

Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 4 months, 3 weeks ago to Culture
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I wasn't aware that John Stuart Mills was so culturally influential. I've heard the name but never read anything of his.

Here is the crux of the article that seems to make that case:

"If Mill is identified as the principal figure in this cultural heist, the George Clooney of an intellectual Oceans 11, we are forced to contest his ideas. And despite their popularity, they can be beaten. Freedom is mankind’s most precious gift, but Mill’s focus is on “freedom from” and not “freedom for”. Mill’s “harm” principle is vague and includes only tangible harms. Mill’s notion of freedom is inextricably tied to his obnoxious utilitarianism. And Mill’s libertarianism atomises individuals, creating a society with ever-weaker social bonds."
SOURCE URL: http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/cultural-marxism-not-true-culprit-our-cultural-decay


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  • Posted by  $  Solver 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    There are basically two types of freedom. Freedom that is live and let live. And freedom that requires involuntary servitude of others. One includes the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The other includes the right to food stamps, Obamacare and government schooling.
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    • Posted by  $  4 months, 3 weeks ago
      The second is what we need freedom from!

      But the freedom to be what ever you will, no matter the harm to yourself, to others or the culture; Mob Rule and the right to the most abdominal perversions is what Plato discussed in his observations of how democracies would crash.

      Mankind is a Looong way from peaceful existence without at least a minimal social contract.
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  • Posted by bsmith51 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    I think perversion of society increases according to the distance from which society is managed. One's community is where one's behaviors should be looked at and, if necessary, corrected, not the state or federal level.
    When some distant government takes over, human nature is to relax local community obligations, standards and assistance. All of these things used to be provided by churches. Since the rise of welfare in the 1960s, churches have largely abdicated these roles, so the cultural decline of society isn't a mystery.
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  • Posted by  $  Stormi 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    I did get a good deal of Mill's writing as both an English and Philosophy major. I did take away one positive, as he called for helping people, but not to the point of making the dependent slaves. He felt that was immoral. He knew that no one who is helped beyond a certain point can possible be free. Democrats never get that, they like to indenture voters.
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    • Posted by  $  4 months, 3 weeks ago
      Yes I read that but the rest of his mantra was really distorted...must of been the progressive prescription drugs of those times...
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      • Posted by  $  Stormi 4 months, 3 weeks ago
        Yes, as Sartre went from years of Existentialism to Marxism, as his health deteriorated. Philosophy is for the rugged. Mill also had that English influence, where they admired some parts, but had to turn to more humanist or sociast ideas. Utilitarianism just does not get it done.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    Once again we have intellectual over-think. Freedom: Let's you know you can say no to anybody or anything. Privacy cannot be broken upon severe penalty. That pretty much says it.
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  • Posted by MrSmiggles 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    "Freedom from" vs "Freedom For" is a huge difference in mentality between Libertarians and Liberals. "From" encompasses everyone not a specific group like "For" does. Lot's of people don't get that.
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  • Posted by  $  4 months, 3 weeks ago
    The key part of the perversions of JSM is: "Freedom From instead of Freedom For"

    I am also reminded that Plato identified the fall of Democracies via being Too democratic or what we call: Mob Rule and be what ever you will
    (but not the best that one can be) [my add]
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  • Posted by Lucky 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    I am going against the tide but I do not like this article.

    The discussion of the work of John Stuart Mill is at first favorable, several quotations from Mill are given. All of these should resonate on the Gulch as they do with the words of Rand.
    Yet later, Mill is associated with 'Our Cultural Decay". That criticism, indeed condemnation, follows a quote of Mill's putting down Christianity, then no actual quotes are given. Aha!

    A side note, there is an article in Intellectual-Takeout giving a list of books to develop leadership in a child. The first one is by a Marxist terrorist now revered by the political/progressivist classes, Rand does not appear in the top 50, but of those in the top 50 many are religious.

    Conservatives will find much in Intellectual-Takeout to their taste.

    Olduglycarl says "I wasn't aware that John Stuart Mills was so culturally influential." Unfortunately Mill is not but should be, his thinking is not identical to, but points to Rand.
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