California's new water restrictions send residents fleeing to saner states

Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 10 months ago to Government
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Now things begin sto stir as people actually need to be told a few dozen times what their lunatic control freak government is up to. This was last week and they are just starting to get excited....
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 5 years, 10 months ago
    Just gloating, but I spent the first 35 years of my life in Redondo Beach, California, house on a 50x110 foot lot, tiny little lawn. Have been in Wyoming for the last 40 years of my life, live on 5 acres, have a well at 35 feet down and soak the hell out of my 13,000 sq foot lawn anytime I want, 1/2 HP pump gives me 12 gallons a minute and a normal, all day sprinkling, gives me a bit over TWO TONS of water on the lawn per hour....Ahhhhhh.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 10 months ago
    And those fleeing spread the disease.
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    • Posted by Lnxjenn 5 years, 10 months ago
      Some will be taking the disease with them... California Transplants tend to bring their rather crazy laws and ideologies with them. I lived in Las Vegas for quite awhile, but it has gradually gotten crazier and more "liberal" (not actual liberal) by the people coming in from California and New York. Same with other areas. I have known people in Rural areas of Nevada, Utah and even Idaho that have tried to chase the transplants out because they wanted to push their California laws onto the people of these areas. I keep wondering why they want to escape the craziness in california, but bring it with them when theymove to other states. Colorado is also a good example.

      Sorry, partial rant! California, as a state, landscape. I LOVE. But the poltics and the people have become absolutely insane since I left CA in the 1990s!
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      • Posted by TheRealBill 5 years, 10 months ago
        They don't realize they are the disease. Last year or so I watched an interview with an Austinite (TX) woman complaining about high property taxes, saying "I just don't understand why it got so expensive - I voted for all these things to make it better to live here." without a shred of realization or self-awareness.
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      • Posted by $ Abaco 5 years, 10 months ago
        Anybody ever tries to "push me out" and they'll get their ass handed to them. I'll be fleeing this place so that my family and I can be left alone. I agree...California is a place of amazing natural beauty. This is very sad to watch the politics here...
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      • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 10 months ago
        I left Jan 1, 1990, but had only been there a few years. My immune system prevailed ;^)
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        • Posted by $ CBJ 5 years, 10 months ago
          I left around the same time, Feb. 1990, after living in California for 24 years. Sold my overpriced house and bought a condo in Nevada at 1/4 the price. Never regretted the move. The smog, traffic and state income tax were the deciding factors.
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      • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago
        They do it because they do not connect with the results of their insanity and imposition of THEIR worldview and politics on others. If you listen to them, they will blame big business, rich people etc for all the problems and tthey had to leave because they took over and made everything bad. Just have that discussion and you will then just want to go drown yourself, as you will never be able to make any sense of it. Yet to them, it is perfect sense. That is the problem. That is why they love Hillary, and when confronted with her crimes, blow them off as the vast RW conspiracy. Everything they do NOT want to deal with, is someone elses fault, and if only we just gave more, protected more, saved more, everything would be great.Along the line, these lemmings get manipulated by thee Hillarys, the Maxines, the Cuomos, the Schumers, and used for their own purposes, then they go off the cliff and drag everyone with them.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 5 years, 10 months ago
    I've lived in California a number of times, starting in the late 1940s, and noticed how much less sane the state had become with each return. They killed much of their agricultural production, and resisted building a system to retain much of the rainfall and snow pack they get each year. As a result, instead of sensible use of their water resources, they get alternating destructive floods and wildfires brought on by drought.

    Now that I've retired to Oklahoma, I marvel at the difference. The Okies learned from the dust bowl days, and have built a very efficient water management system of numerous reservoirs and canals to balance the levels between them. Even after five years of extreme drought the state remained productive, with few water use restrictions. In ten years, the only thing I've had to do is to restrict watering my lawn to every other day.
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  • Posted by BCRinFremont 5 years, 10 months ago
    When my local water server here in CA doubled their service fee while increasing charges for water use, I called and pointed out that if they kept doing this, I would eventually be using no water and giving them every asset that I had for the privilege. I was assured that these increases were “temporary”. Since then, my service charge has doubled again, as have penalty levels for water use above certain thresholds. Service charges, which basically are efforts to fund massive pension obligations, will soon be greater than the water use charge. Venezuela is on its way. I must be on my way out.
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    • Posted by BCRinFremont 5 years, 10 months ago
      One unintended consequence of the insane water policies here in CA : when most plants die due to lack of water, air quality will deteriorate. Of course, that just means that the people who remain must all ride bicycles and have a rectal bypass to recover and recycle any pollutants released.
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      • Posted by Lnxjenn 5 years, 10 months ago
        Maybe that is their intention. Have you looked at the plans for Agenda 21 and the consolidation of cities? California had a lovely map of their break down. I wish I could find the article I saw about that in like the LA times or some newspaper around LA/Orange County a few years ago about that. They spoke about blocking cars between certain areas of LA and that whole valley. If I find it, I shall post it!
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        • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago
          The Agenda 21 thing is one of those "conspiracy theories" that people have been conditioned into rejecting if the lamestream media has not endorsed it. Based on the lame-streams avid support of the left to the total disregard of facts or fair reporting (as Sarah so beautifully described today), it becomes easy to give credit to some type of nefarious plan, or else believe in the old "Rome died of lead poisoning" scenario, just with something else in play
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago
    WE should take a clue from Venezuela to see where California is heading. Instead of an Atlas Shrugged movie, the producers should consider a weekly series on life in Venezuela to see the great things Socialism can bring you.
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    • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago
      There is enough material to do something like that, and it may play well, maybe Fox should do one, like Watters World on steroids....
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      • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago
        Conservatives would love it. Liberals would say it can only happen here because of the bad policies of trump. There are snowflakes who want the emotional security socialism offers- but would finally accept the inevitability of its failure to deliver
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        • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago
          I don't think they can imagine that the failure to deliver is because of a problem in the process, rather nefarious intervention by the evil "capitalists".Like NASA could not believe something went wrong with a billion dollars of Mars orbiter, until someone failed to use the right units of measurement and made an "oops". Their system was broken, but they would never admit it.
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          • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago
            It is very frustrsting dealing with irrational people especially ones with hidden agendas. It’s also a waste of time dealing with emotionally driven and controlled people. Better to just stay clear if them
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  • Posted by Flootus5 5 years, 10 months ago
    What are California's laws regarding the collection of rain/snow water? This is a contentious issue in many states and I'll bet California is in the lead of being onerous here to.

    I live in rural Nevada. We need a border wall on our western state line.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 5 years, 10 months ago
    Arizona is restrictive in its water rates, some people have tiny lawns but most have either crushed granite or crushed volcanic cinders for landscaping. Now the local water company got permission from the State Board to raise its rates. It won't be as severe as California. When I received the latest bill I went to check my plant irrigation system for leaks. Yes, I found some. The homeowner in Az must be vigilant in water usage.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 5 years, 10 months ago
    There's more to this than California imposing iron rations on the use of water. This is the inevitable result of settling a bunch of people on land that had no water, and bringing water in, free of charge, with tax support.

    If water projects were private, none of this would have happened. California's population would never have outgrown the land's ability to support it. But lack of imagination has meant that water was a public utility since ancient Rome with its famous aqueducts, and possibly more ancient than that.

    I've looked at Rand's essays. I didn't find the one on the property status of water--unless I missed something.

    I can proudly say that, for the first time in my life, I now get my water from a completely private source. I have an Artesian well in my front yard. Not only is this the best water apart from a mountain spring or stream, but it depends solely on local rainfall, which has always been plentiful. I manage the water, and I control its quality. Nobody tells me how much or how little water I must use, because I do not draw from a common source. (And I even added a second source: a rain barrel.)

    Nobody thinks in terms of light (that is, electricity), gas or water subject to private delivery and management. We all know that was the rule in Atlantis. (Dick McNamara became the prime LGW distribution provider; John Galt was, of course, the prime electrical generation provider.)

    California is only the first polity to pay the price, in the form of a tragedy of the commons, for providing government water with no thought for the future. The Republic of Israel at least have done some planning, but are now about to embark on desalination to supplement their water. Water will be a casus belli soon.
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  • Posted by Rex_Little 5 years, 10 months ago
    Two years ago I left California after spending the previous 40 years there. One of my specific reasons (apart from general disgust with the politics and the cost of living) was that if the drought continued, I'd be looking at water rationing, or water bills as high as my mortgage payment, or both. Looks like I nailed that call.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 10 months ago
    52.5 gallons per capita. My family uses slightly more than that on occasion. What would they do to people who go over?
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    • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago
      Supposedly fines per gallon, but I have not seen how much. I also saw nothing regarding pets (how much does a dog/cat drink?) Or if you have a farm (I have 7 horses and they can drink a lot in summer), do farmers have to get registered and get permission from the lord high governor?
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      • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 10 months ago
        If there is a shortage the free market should price water to efficiently distribute it. Government rationing is not needed.
        But I am preaching to the choir;^)
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        • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago
          This leaves a good market for someone to figure out how to monitor "leaks". Currently you only find out how much water you use once a month AFTER the leak might have occurred.

          Underground pipe leaks and running toilets are quiet water wasters, not to mention underground and above ground sprinkler faults.
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          • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago
            I read they lose 35% of their water from their entire system to leaks, large and small, and that is one reason people are so angry, nothing to fix those, but punish the people.
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            • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago
              I wonder if that’s system leaks or the sum of household leaks
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              • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago
                Good question, I assumed the entire system from lake to faucet.
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                • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago
                  I mention it because I personally have had two instances of underground pipe faults which used up a lot of water with little visible traces. The monthly bill was the only way to detect. Very inefficient.
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                  • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago
                    OK, so, in all fairness here are some alternative views of this issue:

                    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cal...

                    Snopes says no, the fines applies to the water suppliers, although how that works I don't know.
                    Moonbeams announcement clearly says: Establishing an indoor, per person water use goal of 55 gallons per day until 2025, 52.5 gallons from 2025 to 2030 and 50 gallons beginning in 2030.

                    I had a hard time finding anyone who could clearly show that the law would or would not penalize individuals, I know a couple years ago they did require each well to have a meter on it, as I had personal experience with people who could not believe they imposed such invasion of property.
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                    • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago
                      Interesting and informative ! Too bad the government just doesn’t get out of the water business and leave it to private business. Shortage of water would result in price increases, willing conservation on an individual level, and increased supply.

                      All the while California permits illegal immigration of refugees and other people of limited education, making their need for water go up.

                      Eventually there will be an exodus of residents along with the individual fines for “excessive” water use, and some restrictions regarding fleeing the state. I left some time ago while it was still a decent place to live
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                      • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago
                        Yes, and they will move and start it all over again. I have had a hard time finding any clear information on this issue, it got skewered from the get go, and there are now a few different versions, all professing to be "real". Luckily, I don't have to deal with it yet, Oregon hasn't gotten enough Liberal power stashed away to pull that yet.
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                        • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago
                          In the end, the liberals would like to control everything that everyone does, and regulate it in advance so it cant happen.

                          Here in Vegas, one of the former bastions of independence (I would have thought..), one cannot start a business UNTIL its approved by the city itself. And that approval can only come after 45 days of deliberation and a visit to the city council meeting and getting approval from the sheriff department. In addition the business you are proposing to start needs to be on a list of "approved businesses.

                          On the water issue here, the water utility is a little smarter, having tiers of water usage per month with rates that quarduple as you get to the highest tier. But its still VERY cheap, and probably lower than the real market value.
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        • Posted by Lucky 5 years, 10 months ago
          ffa is right again. (not just about the choir)
          The idea of the free market for water is not new of course. One of the most influential proponents was economist Steve Hanke whose work I met > 30 years ago.
          The figures given for water consumption are to me a bit on the high side. That would be an outcome of government controls and subsidies holding prices down.
          A proper market would get the companies to watch waste more carefully, that 30% loss due to leaks is too high.

          Even in the current system there is still a role for the market in that over time domestic appliances will be designed to be more frugal in the use of water.
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        • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago
          That is true, and the real insult here is government making individuals put meters on wells they paid for and pay for to pump and applying their horrible law. Not only that, but riddle me this: If tax money comes from the people, and pays for the infrastructure and then they pay for the "service" then how can they logically or morally enforce a "quota" when you pay for the service only? Seems tome they want you to pay for everything AND then stick to "their" moralistic guidelines to "prepare" for the next drought. Rather than address the root cause.
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          • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago
            Government should NEVER EVER get involved in commercial activities, like supplying a commodity. They just dont know how to do this. Imagine if government ran burger production in a McD format. It would be a disaster.

            Biut socialists must believe their government is the savior, even when the evidence is overwhlming that it fails 100% of the time.
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            • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 10 months ago
              Just got off the phone with a rep at ATT. That private business apparently feels there are no alternatives and they can treat customers like chattel. They just lost my business forever. At least there are some alternative, competitive choices in internet services unlike water service in CA.
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