Rebranding Communism

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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 5 years, 11 months ago
    Communism has appeal because it appears simple, orderly, dependable, and predictable. A capitalist society, with each individual providing his or her element of unpredictability, and with a market nearly impossible to predict, is a form of semi-organized chaos often described as creative destruction. To many, such a society is frightening, making the appeal of the Communist vision all the more seductive.

    Sadly, the success of our capitalist society in providing a measure of security (from our efforts) to our younger members has lulled them into the belief that life should be easy. When faced with the (to them) harsh reality that success depends largely on personal effort and persistence, they recoil in fear, seeking a less stressful path to security, which Communist sirens lay before them.

    The desire for safety and security becomes so strong that no matter how false or contradictory the message is from the proponents of Socialism/Communism, it becomes gospel, and the mind is shut to fact and logic. The followers eagerly embrace promises of "free" health care and education. "Guaranteed" employment sounds so much better than the messiness of the capitalist job market. When realist thinkers try to tell the followers that such promises come at a harsh price, and that the guaranteed jobs are essentially slave labor, their ears are shut. The idea that followers become subjects under the control of the state is a sad surprise, and no matter how many examples they are shown, the followers do not listen.
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    • Posted by term2 5 years, 11 months ago
      I think the appeal of collectivism is emotional and if one. Lives emotionally, no argument can succeed in changing them. Even in Venezuela where socialism has people eating from trash cans, the people still grasp into it. Doesn’t bode well for humanity actually
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    • Posted by bobsprinkle 5 years, 11 months ago
      Your first paragraph is one of the best plain talk analysis of commies vs normal folk I have read.
      The rest of your post is good also. I just really like the first part best
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 5 years, 11 months ago
        Thanks. I like to point people to Eric Hoffer's book, "The True Believer, a study of Mass Movements." A self-educated dock worker, his analysis of fascism and communism was the first to make the point that they were actually cousins in totalitarianism, rather than "left" and "right." His statement that every mass movement begins when the leader utters the phrase "hope and change" gave me a chill when I remembered it while listening to Obama say those words.
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        • Posted by Solver 5 years, 11 months ago
          Does this sound like a plea to the Gods for hope and change?
          "When human hearts break and human hearts despair, then from the twilight of the past the great conquerors of distress and care, of disgrace and misery, of spiritual slavery and physical compulsion, look down on them and hold out their eternal hands to the despairing mortals."
          -Nope, not a quote by king Obama
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  • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 11 months ago
    There is no doubt that changing language and the meanings of certain words has an effect. It serves to smooth over the differences between left and right to the point where communism is a bad word, but progressive is a word that can be tolerated by both sides. One more way to lead the naive toward the left.
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    • Posted by Solver 5 years, 11 months ago
      Who ever said that words have an exact meaning?
      Oh well, who is John Galt?
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      • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 11 months ago
        You mean, Who was John Galt?You can say a lot about the relationship between Branden and Rand, but he was creating a world-wide movement, while other objectivists were arguing about esoteric philosophical points. When they broke up, Rand in a fit of pique that Branden had the gall to fall in love with someone else, the movement fell apart.Since then, no one was able to take Objectivism to the next level, making it a world-wide phenomenon.
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        • Posted by term2 5 years, 11 months ago
          TRUE. Socialism is based on emotions, objectivism is based on reason. If a person learns when young to base his life in emotion, he isn’t going to be interested in reason I am not sure when this learning takes place, but i would guess when we are very young, and once the die is cast, it’s very difficult to modify
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          • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 11 months ago
            I was raised in a home where you were raised a Democrat. So was everyone else.Only the rich were Republicans. My folks were libs, my neighbors and everyone else were also.. I was in our main library in Detroit (A magnificent place back then and childhood hideout) when I picked up a copy of The Fountainhead. Damn! The woman with the exotic name could write great. .I was hooked forever, especially after seeing the movie..That was (would you believe it?) 70 years ago. I managed to find 2 soft cover versions and tore out Roarks speech and taped to my bedroom wall so I could see it every day when I got up, so I wouldn't feel like an alien. Then my Mom saw it, and after I promised that my bedroom would r remain immaculate, she let me keep it up until we moved.Since I couldn't imagine Howard Roark with a messy bedroom, I kept my word.
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            • Posted by Dobrien 5 years, 11 months ago
              Not to mention the exotic Dominique . I discovered her and fountainhead in 2016 . When Roark told the
              School that he will design buildings in his "Modern style" and that they can go to hell. I was hooked and jumping off the cliff into the cool water with him.
              As far as politics I never had a good candidate to vote for. It was always ...are you f...ing kidding me these are the best we can drum up.
              UNtill the candidacy of Donald J. Trump .
              He is not perfect but he is tremendous. He has talked straight and with ruthless intense non stop opposition and lies from the never Trumpers he has accomplished great steps toward recovery for this constitutional Republic. Thank you President Donald J. Trump build the wall and "deport the animals" end the corruption and drain the swamp.
              Is that a lot to ask?
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            • Posted by term2 5 years, 11 months ago
              Great story. I don’t remember any philosophical or political discussions at all when I was a kid. Looking back on it, my parents just got it done and I suppose I picked that up. When I read AS in college, it just felt right. The philosophical understanding then came later
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              • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 11 months ago
                Philosophical discussions? Are you kidding? You voted for Democrats because they were for the working guy. End of discussion. I knew that certain things just sounded right and was unaware of any philosophy that they were based on. It was if I slept through my teen years. Except for girls.
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                • Posted by term2 5 years, 11 months ago
                  It sounds like we all pretty much slept thru teen years and we’re not prepared for life. I look back on that time as a waste of time. I learned engineering and science stuff, but missed out on learning to be street smart and realizing why objectivist principles work so well.

                  If I had a kid now, I would have the discussions I never got from my parents, and I think it would have to occur at least all through high school or even before. I don’t see that happening today much, so I think this country is headed full steam to socialism
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  • Posted by RevJay4 5 years, 11 months ago
    Communisim, and its close companions of socialism, facism, etc., will always have an appeal to those who are incapable of rational or critical thinking. And, do not want to make decisions for themselves, i.e. take responsibility for themselves in life's many twists and turns.
    Its much simpler to just follow the crowd and allow the emotions of the crowd to control what one does.
    We see this in the Antifa movement and others which seem to pop up from time to time. All founded on the same philosophy, let the state do everything and accept no responsibility for the outcomes, personally.
    A cop out for mindless lemming behavior.
    As an old guy, it makes me wonder where it will end up. Almost makes me glad I'm old and probably not much time left on the planet. Almost.
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  • Posted by 5 years, 11 months ago
    Agreed, but the political chatter is always linear, and the left in this linear world like it that way. They can only think in terms of oppressed and oppressor. They need an enemy to justify their manufactured outrage. And I think Rand simplified it to a collectivist individualist argument.
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  • Posted by MinorLiberator 5 years, 11 months ago
    Spot on. “Rebranding” is a powerful and legitimate tool in the private market, mostly due to brilliant advertising geniuses.

    Definitely works in politics, too.

    Other important examples re Marxism/Socialism:

    Branding Marxism as “scientific”.

    Turning “classical Liberalism”, ie free trade into “liberal”, it’s opposite: Socialism.

    Progressivism (not sure if it was used before, correctly) to describe an ideology guaranteed to provide stagnation, not progress.

    Not quite direct rebranding, but to dividing the basic political duality as Socialism as “Left” and “Fascism” as “Right”. When except in minor details are both Socialism. Example: the Nazis as “Fascist”, where their party name, translated, was “National Socialism”.

    This may be the most pernicious in its modern effects. Note that “Capitalism” is excluded as a choice, or worse: The Right = Fascism = Capitalism.

    Currently reading Chuchill’s 6 volume history of WWII, and even he accepted the false dichotomy. A virulent anti-Communist, still for practical reasons I agree with, he allied with Stalin. Fascist “Hitlerism” was the greater evil. In the end, it translated into Allied victory, but very soon he learned the dealing with “Uncle Joe” was still dealing with the devil. The most tragic outcome being that liberating Poland, which due to treaty, caused Britain’s immediate declaration of war, did not lead to Poland’s liberation at all.

    A favourite minor example of mine, buried so deep I only stumbled onto one historical reference :

    The New School of Social Research “ in NYC, now just “The New School”, in an “alternative” school that is predominantly Marxist. Founded around the 30’s, it had “Marx” in its original official name. Even the radical Marxist founders realized, very quickly, it was inhibiting student enrollment. Very quickly rebranded, brilliantly, as “The New School...”...who doesn’t like “new” ideas?
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    • Posted by TheRealBill 5 years, 10 months ago
      "Progressivism (not sure if it was used before, correctly) to describe an ideology guaranteed to provide stagnation, not progress."

      It was indeed used thusly - by the people doing it! The National Socialists in Germany, the Fascists in Italy, and the Communists in Russia all self-referred as "progressive". Indeed, I was at a Jordan Peterson lecture last night and spoke with another attendee who had come from a leftist/progressive family (one of many). He said the moment of "chilling terror" that shattered his bubble was when he was reading what they had written and observed they referred to themselves and their actions as "progressive".

      Personally, I find this to be line with my hunch that these people have literally wired their brain to not conceive of their own actions as even potentially dangerous and that the only path out for them is to become cognizant of it. But confirmation bias can be a real pain.
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    • Posted by DrZarkov99 5 years, 11 months ago
      It's somewhat ironic how many of the things we, as Americans, consider immoral, dishonest, or downright evil, had their origin in our own country. George Creel, head of President Wilson's Committee on Public Information, perfected the art of disinformation so well that his was the model adopted by both the Soviet Union and the Nazis.

      Going back to the Civil War, the Prussian observers attached to General Sherman learned how to subjugate a civilian population when Sherman had ten civilians killed for every Union soldier killed by rebel partisans. These things come back to bite us.
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  • Posted by 5 years, 10 months ago
    TRB, love your comment that their brains are wired to not be cognizant that there own actions are dangerous. Not much different than the passengers on train when the Taggert Tunnel collapsed.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 5 years, 11 months ago
    We need to do our own "rebranding", starting with Capitalism.

    https://strategiesforliberty.wordpres...

    Commercial advertisers sell products and services using words that generate a positive consumer response. This is also a sensible strategy to use when discussing our freedom-oriented values with people we seek to persuade. If more than one word or phrase captures the essence of an idea, we should choose the word or phrase most likely to be accepted by our audience.

    For example, defenders of economic liberty often use the terms “capitalism” and “free market” interchangeably. Strictly speaking, the two concepts are nearly identical in meaning. But to the general public, the word “capitalism” evokes a multitude of negative associations that do not arise when the term “free market” is used.

    For many people, “capitalism” conjures up images of politically connected financial institutions receiving government favors; multinational corporations “outsourcing” American jobs to cheaper and less regulated labor markets abroad; giant retailers crushing helpless smaller competitors; exploitation of conscientious workers by uncaring employers; and awarding of multi-billion-dollar bonuses to rich Wall Street executives.

    Although most of these undesirable events result from massive government interference in the economy, the public at large perceives them to be failures of capitalism. This is due to the pervasive influence of the media and the public education system, both of which are overwhelmingly friendly to “activist” government and hostile to business.

    However, propagandists for big government find it harder to demonize the phrase “free market.” Both words in this phrase resonate positively with the public, and “free market” is familiar to many people as shorthand for a system of voluntary exchange. While “capitalism” can readily be personified and caricatured (“evil capitalist”, “plutocrat”, “exploiter”, “monopolist”), the term “free market” does not lend itself to such verbal distortion – we never hear leftists castigating “evil free marketers”.

    When we promote our ethical and political principles, we are engaging the emotions of our audience as well as their reasoning faculties. We can more easily appeal to their emotions if we strive to use words and phrases that evoke the most positive images and associations in their minds. Promoting the “free market,” rather than defending “capitalism,” is more likely to achieve this goal.
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    • Posted by TheRealBill 5 years, 10 months ago
      Curiously, a portion of the left recently tried, unwittingly, to rebrand capitalism. They called it "the sharing economy". The example that made up this "sharing economy" were: Uber, Lyft, AirBnB, and similar. They then objected to putting them under the same restrictions "the big players" had. What is telling, and the point I made to (some of) them, is that what a) there is no "sharing" when you exchange money, and b) they were actually promoting capitalism.

      Most had a metaphorical aneurysm. Some, however, learned what capitalism isn't.
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  • Posted by 5 years, 11 months ago
    I like Aristotles left right model as excess and defect in terms of government. Extreme left iscommunism, excess govt. Extreme right is anarchy, no govt. The ideal middle is capitalism and republicanism. The socialists got hold of this, and in order to put themselves in the ideal center, rebranded fascism as extreme right.
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    • Posted by Solver 5 years, 11 months ago
      Politics is definitely not one dimensional. Trying to put everyone’s political beliefs somewhere on a right/left line is just plain wrong. Using two dimension is infinitely better. Even still, people often view their own politics quite differently than other view them.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 11 months ago
    "Welcome to post-modernism and the resentment it sows. But life is too precious to let that seethe and fester. We have a choice, become captive to the envy and guilt our elites are selling, or expose the man behind the curtain and reclaim ownership of our lives. We can let the collective consciousness of society shape our ideas, or we can win the future as individuals armed with reason, pursuing our values, and ready to defend the right of anyone else to do the same."
    This is so powerful. Earlier in the article Shupe talks about communism being re-branded as liberalism and progressivism. I tend to identify with liberalism / progressivism to the extent they mean the rejection of all that, a rejection of post-modernism and seething resentment.

    "Jordan Peterson condemns the teaching of equity, diversity, inclusion, white privilege, and systemic racism. "
    I don't get this. These seem like basic values. Ideally they shouldn't need to be taught. We should try to live our values such that they're self-evident and need no teaching. System racism is a HUGE problem, but the arc of history clearly bends away from it. I'm optimistic it could disappear, along with any hand-wringing about how to teach these things.
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    • Posted by fosterj717 5 years, 11 months ago
      In order to gain incite into your observation about why these points need to be "taught" is really quite simple. Use of this apparently simple stance is at the heart of the Progressive assault on what is truly the target. These supposedly high sounding positions should really be a wake-up call to the fact that they really are smokescreen(read Gramsci) and represent a diversion and a tool with which to bash anyone who does not agree with what we see happening in the name of those "principled" stances (not!). they are only used as a tool to accomplish something that has absolutely nothing to do with what they seem to represent.

      This subterfuge effectively creates wedge issues thus putting anyone who does not quickly subscribe to the orthodoxy on the defensive therefore blunting any discussions centered on the real issues (illegal immigration, voting by criminals, open borders without changing the law, and so on). They use these points effectively by making those on the right look like they are against, as you say, what should not need to be taught and should be basically accepted on face value. You have to understand the effective way Progressives have co-opted the fake, moral, "high-ground". The average person has no clue as to how they are being manipulated. Truth be told!

      Teaching these traits from an early age creates an army of people who will readily jump on whomever does not opening kow-tow to this othodoxy. This, if you stop and reflect on it for a moment is a brilliant strategy adopted by the Progressive (communist) left. It did not happen by accident but is rather a well thought out and fully implemented strategy for the adoption of the "New" Socialist/Communist hegemony.

      The secret here is that you must not only understand Gramsci, but more importantly, the approach of the Fabian Socialists (much more effective than Marx). The shock troops of the Fabians are the Marxists and anarchists (Antifas, etc.).
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    • Posted by Solver 5 years, 11 months ago
      “I don’t get this.”
      Here is Professor Peterson explaining his reasons for this,
      https://youtu.be/TqcRVmOpIbY

      I agree with pretty much everything he said here.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 11 months ago
        Thanks for the video. I will watch the rest of it. In the 1st two minutes he's saying things that sound bizarre and indefensible, such as that it's racist to acknowledge racism. I can't say based on two min. Will listen to more when I'm working on a circuit board tomorrow. Thanks for posting b/c based on the overview at the beginning, this talk addresses my questions squarely.
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        • Posted by Solver 5 years, 11 months ago
          Professor Peterson states that term,“white privilege” is a racist slur. I fully agree. It has effectively the same purpose as the many other racist slurs used against specific races. Racist slurs should be called out, LOUDLY, as RACIST SLURS! Negative prejudgement of a person based on their race, or color of skin, instead of their character, is racist.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 11 months ago
            I do not follow this. Saying there's racism, i.e. people being judged based on how they look, it is not prejudging anyone based on anything to say that. Saying there's an issue with racial privileged is not condoning it. It's not judging people based on race. It's saying there is a problem with people judging people based on race.
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        • Posted by TheRealBill 5 years, 10 months ago
          CG, I'm not hearing where he said that to acknowledge racism is racist. He clearly, to my ears, says that to ascribe racism to a race itself is by the given definition racist, not that acknowledging it is.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 10 months ago
        "Here is Professor Peterson explaining his reasons for this"
        It's a bunch of disjointed logical fallacies. I think he's trying to make the standard post-modernist argument: "Research will inevitably reflect the power structures in which the researchers live. Their results will inevitably be exploited by people to assert power unjustly over one another. So let's throw up our hands and not study it. Let's focus on the answers we're comfortable with that don't lead to exploitation rather than seeking the illusory goal of the truth."

        I categorically disagree. Racism is an important problem worthy of inquiry. Humankind is actually doing pretty well, 500 years agricultural people developed navigation and came into contact with hunter-gatherers. How we came this far and why we haven't come farther deserve study.
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