The Boy Scouts will no longer be The Boy Scouts

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“After 108 years, the Boy Scouts program is set to drop the gender from its name and re-emerge as "Scouts BSA," a more "inclusive" group that will also soon welcome girls in its ranks...”
SOURCE URL: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/02/boy-scouts-to-change-name-drop-boy-and-accept-girls-in-2019-organization-says.html


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  • Posted by Dobrien 5 years, 12 months ago
    He is a "Boy Scout" that was an analogy for a well prepared thoughtful young man . Boy Scouts came under attack because that's what the left does....they attack good and positive. Cancerous Corporate leaders who clearly oppose family values assist . For example Actions of Disney Inc. who prohibited employees to donate to the organization fifteen years ago. Gay scout leaders hmmmm is that a good idea ? It Probably increases the potential for abuse and now having young girls at over night camp outs.

    Buying Girl Scout cookies a few weeks ago......
    I asked the three young ladies dressed in their uniform if boys can be Girl Scouts? They said that was being discussed . I than asked isn't there Boy
    Scouts already? One girl looked confused the other two smiled knowingly.
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    • Posted by NealS 5 years, 12 months ago
      It strikes me that the the next attack will be on professional sports, not just related to sexual preference but to the whole concept of teams. When your quarterback gets hurt you should be able to put in anyone that is sitting on the bench regardless of team, just pick the best one. Someday, after I'm gone of course, all of this nonsense will blow up and it will just end and start over again. We live in a progressively more sick world.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 12 months ago
    As an Eagle Scout and Scoutmaster, this was disappointingly inevitable, but the result of electing to the Scout Board individuals who never believed in Scouting they way Lord Baden Powell envisioned - as a place to train boys to become real men with leadership and life skills and a focus on morality and hard work. That's anathema to the leftists because it is contrary to everything they stand for. The leftists started off by getting them dropped from United Way funding, then had a temporary setback with the Dale decision (Supreme Court) so they decided instead to infiltrate the Scout Board and change the policies from there. There is effectively zero official Boy Scouting organization as of this decision.

    You will see the Boy Scouts effectively dissolve as an organization in the next two years because the mainstay of Scouting has been Christian Churches, especially the Baptists and Mormons. Once those two organizations drop out, Scouting is done - no matter how "inclusive" they want to be. There were already a host of Christian churches which dropped support after the policy about homosexual scouting leaders. This will be the final nail in the coffin.
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    • Posted by tdechaine 5 years, 12 months ago
      And as I said before, the Left will consider that a victory in the name of collectivism and equality.
      Let's hope such actions backfire on them.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 12 months ago
        The actions of the Left will always eventually fail. Their goal is to A) profit off the failure as long as possible and B) take as many people down with them as possible. They also think that somehow they will be immune to the fallout.
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    • Posted by rhfinle 5 years, 11 months ago
      I think the real motive here was to drive a wedge between the generally conservative churches and the boy's 'paramilitary' group they supported. Many churches dropped troop support after Tillerson and his gays let the gays in. Thankfully, my kid got his Eagle and aged out just before all of this happened. But he won't even talk about the "Scouts" now.
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    • Posted by gcarl615 5 years, 12 months ago
      As a fellow Eagle Scout, OA member, Cub Scout leader, Troop leader and ultimately a District Commisioner, I am totally disgusted with what my beloved BOY Scouts has become. I learned so much, as did my son. Some of the best times of my youth were there. RIP BSA
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      • Posted by 5 years, 11 months ago
        Soon:
        Interviewer: “Well Johnny what is that badge for?”
        Johnny: “I’ve been told it’s my favorite badge because it means I was there, I participated.”
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 5 years, 12 months ago
    If they're still going to keep the boys and girls separate, then why take "Boy" out of the name? It seems hypocritical to me. Not that I think that the boys and girls should be thrown together.Girls may very well be able to learn about outdoor camping and such, but probably they should learn it separately--especially with such issues and maybe staying out overnight in tents.
    I have had no experience with that organization. It seems like something that Objectivists and their children should stay out of----doesn't it have a history of trying to inculcate religion, also altruism?
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    • Posted by Dobrien 5 years, 11 months ago
      The separate activities and inequality will be the basis for the next law suits. Do not expect this to be the end of the story. This is another attack on males and masculinity by the alphabet soupists. The cancer of so called progressives has become an autoimmune disorder destroying values.
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  • Posted by tdechaine 5 years, 12 months ago
    Pure collectivism - as with everything else in this growingly liberal/irrational country.
    Presumably, the girl scouts - and gays and transgenders - will be assimilated into the "Scouts"; then no one will have to buy GS cookies, and perhaps enough boys (properly defined) will drop out which will destroy the intended initial good of the organization.
    Liberals always choose destruction over the "unequal" and "discrimination" (of a moral kind). People need to push back on the so-called gender crisis of differentiation.
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  • Posted by $ 25n56il4 5 years, 12 months ago
    As a Senior Girl Scout, I resent this! I will always be a Girl Scout and at my age you would have to go a long way to use the term 'girl'. What is wrong with people? I think this is nuts!
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  • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 12 months ago
    Just one more thing to sadly say goodbye to. Perhaps it is a good thing to dilute the title of the organization. since the organization itself is being diluted so that it no longer has a direction as well defined as in the past.My grandson is an Eagle Scout and his dad took part as a motivator and cheering section. They became closer than ever through his teen years, which is a time in a young man's life that is notorious for conflicts between fathers and sons. Well, I guess we'll see, but I don't think it bodes well for the BSA.
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  • Posted by Domminigan 5 years, 12 months ago
    The Girl Scouts is the way that it is because that is the way the people involved over the years have made it.
    That is the way they wanted it, and so they made it into what they wanted.

    The Boy Scouts was the way that it was because that is the way that the people involved in it over the years had made it.
    Over time, some of the programs have changed, others have remained the same or very similar. That's the way the people wanted it and so they kept it the way it was.

    Now it is drastically changing, and it is changing quickly. I expect that they will find a need to integrate the separated boy/girl dens and troops after a while.
    If they really had any intention of creating really separated programs, they would have created the "BSA Girls' Scouting" and created it as a separate set of programs.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 12 months ago
    My daughter sometimes tags along at my son's cub scouting events. I'm happy she'll have the option of joining. There at an age where there aren't any boy/girl issues I can see. I'm really happy they've become more inclusive. My understanding is my daughter can join next school year. She wants to join because her brownie troop is too focused on selling cookies and crafts. My son's pack kept fundraising really well contained. It could just be the leadership at the pack / troop level. In any case, I'm thrilled she'll have the option to join.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 12 months ago
      It used to be a "badge" of honor to say one was an Eagle Scout and employers considered it a mark of honesty and high praise. The military automatically ranks you up if you are an Eagle Scout - even the enlisted folks. That will all disappear now that there will be no exclusivity and no meaning to what was once a singular honor.

      Your daughter won't be joining the Boy Scouts, she'll be joining an organization no one cares about any more because it was destroyed by leftists.
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      • Posted by brkssb 5 years, 12 months ago
        I would indeed consider it a badge of honor for my granddaughter to become an Eagle Scout. It’s not a gender thing, it’s a demonstrated skills thing.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 11 months ago
          To a certain degree, I agree that it is a skills thing. But the intent of Scouting according to Baden Powell is to teach boys to become men. You can't do that in a mixed group. It is impossible. You can not teach girls to become men.

          I don't have a problem if someone wants to set up a parallel organization for females. But I completely disagree that you can properly conduct the Scouting organization in a mixed-gender environment. That's coming from not only ideals, but practical experience both as a Boy Scout and as a Scoutmaster and as a father of nine girls.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 11 months ago
        " it was destroyed by leftists"
        Maybe the Scouts and the world are turning to worms, but they're with some really good people in my son's pack. I watched them tell the kids at the beginning they'd learn to use dangerous tools, fire, and knives responsibly. They have followed through. My son carries a Craftsman knife. My daughter has a hairclip that turns into a mini tool set. The kids cut their own pinewood derby cars with a bandsaw-- with the parents and leaders turning responsibility over to the 9 y/o's not to cut off a finger, once we saw they were ready. They're on the road to becoming independent adults. My close friend and colleague went through Eagle Scouts and his helping my kids, humbly embodying those values they have the kids memorize to earn badges. Regardless of what happens to the rest of world and if the value of badges gets diluted, I'm blessed to be surrounded by honest selfish people, people who much of the world might consider "leftist". My son won third place at the pinewood derby. Most kids didn't win any awards. My son, on his own initiative, went to the person who taught him the bandsaw and said he never could have won without him. I was impressed at his initiative to thank his mentor and to congratulate honestly the people who won 1st and 2nd place. I could have benefited from more friends like him at age 9.

        I can't speak for the whole scouting organization, but there is a sliver of the world, ironically a sliver where 90% of us are what the rest of the world sees as leftists, that will not be destroyed. I just don't see the destruction happening, even when I travel outside my Madison bubble. In the past 24 months I went to Canton, Sicily, Portland, Little Rock, Memphis, London , Lexington, and Tampa. I don't see the world falling apart, being destroyed. I see people freed from the ancient fears, superstitions, and duties, in a coffee shop in Palermo, and Uber in Portland, and a gas station in Lexington-- people who accept without question their lives are theirs, without regard to duty to family, church, or country. Respectfully, I don't see the wold being destroyed. I see the problems, but I see the arc of history bending toward individuals living free and building institutions that respect their rights.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 11 months ago
          I differentiate between the Scouting Board and the individual Councils and Troops. The Councils and Troops are filled with the excellent people you talk about, I completely agree. But the Board sets policy that Councils and Troops must follow or risk losing their Charters. And the Board has become corrupted by people who do not value Scouting, but see it as an educational institution (because it is) that needs to be bent to conform to their ideology rather than to stay true to Baden Powell's vision and standards.

          As to whether or not the world is falling apart, we differ in that opinion. The moral decay I see all around me - even in the heavily red state I am in - is of stark contrast even to twenty years ago. And I see it getting worse before it gets better. The intolerance of the left has brought war which right now is ideological and plays out mostly in politics and the media right now but is growing into mob violence. And out of that war will come either the slavery of all moral people and the fall of the Constitution, or the destruction of the leftist ideology and the return of the people to the principles of self-reliance, independence, morality, individual rights, and honor and decency.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 11 months ago
            I don't know if you are simply wrong or I live in a bubble. I travel some, but it's mostly to tech companies and conference centers, so I'm not really seeing the diversity of the world. My bike ride to work takes me through many neighborhoods. Some of the middle class neighborhoods are worse than when I was a kid, but other areas that used to be poor are not "gentrifying" with the residence moving to the new poor area. If people are angry about politics, they do a good job hiding it.

            I wonder if even in great turning points in history there were people like me, drawing plans for aqueducts, blind to the problems and changes. I started thinking about this ten years ago as I biked past an apartment building on the way to work. I didn't know anyone in that area. It's a former poor neighborhood that's now gentrifying. Maybe the angry people are in some of those windows, I thought.

            I hope you're wrong and my world is the rule rather than the exception.
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    • Posted by tdechaine 5 years, 12 months ago
      But it's not about inclusion; it's about individual rights - the right of separation of boys and girls.
      We simply should not succumb to liberal pressures like this.
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      • Posted by brkssb 5 years, 12 months ago
        Whose individual rights? Yours? or theirs?
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        • Posted by tdechaine 5 years, 12 months ago
          That question completely ignores our founding: all true rights - Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness - apply to everyone. Don't try to divide individuals.
          Boys have a right to be a part of an organization for them; girls don't have the right to impose/force themselves on the boys..
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        • Posted by salta 5 years, 12 months ago
          Individual rights literally means the rights of everyone. The question of "whose" makes no sense. Segregation is an example of the right to free association with any group an individual chooses to define. Segregation might be wise or unwise, none of us can fully judge that. But the imposed lack of segregation (inclusion) definitely infringes on individual rights.
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        Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 11 months ago
        "the right of separation of boys and girls"
        We have that right, but I don't see any boy/girl issues at their age, so I welcome my daughter helping at their events. My daughter is the natural engineer; she helped the pack make games for the younger den. In my travels I see everywhere these liberal pressures to let people be themselves. It feels like we're taking over except for in theocracies.
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  • Posted by 5 years, 12 months ago
    Will the Girl Scouts be targeted next?
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 5 years, 12 months ago
      Maybe our PC elite betters will pressure a merger and call it the Target Restroom Scouts.
      Anyone see/recall the shower scene in the Starship Troopers flick? Think camping.
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      • Posted by Flootus5 5 years, 11 months ago
        And then there will be the "liberating" milestone of when they start handing out the condoms. Cheek with tongue in it.
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        • Posted by $ allosaur 5 years, 11 months ago
          Whoa! Something very important is being overlooked here!
          "Liberating" merit badges for Getting Some! Yay!
          The younger the coupled kids the more prestigious the badges.
          Of course, same sex couplings would be even moire prestigious in this brave new bizarro world of lib scouting.
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      • Posted by brkssb 5 years, 12 months ago
        Thinking of camping, and boys and girls, shouldn’t the privilege of privacy be valued above the gender-identification of the privy? As in the “consent of the governed”. As in “Starship Troopers” by which time individuals might have learned respect for their differences rather than the religiosity of inhibitions.
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        • Posted by $ allosaur 5 years, 12 months ago
          Methinks "consent of the governed" is restricted to mature adults.
          Immature adolescents (if not late stage juveniles) with raging hormones is going to contemplate a "learned respect" at the sight of naked bodies?
          Me no think so. Memories of teen behavior does not rationally conclude that's remotely possible.
          That's even likely to be too tough enough for too many adults to handle.
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  • Posted by $ 25n56il4 5 years, 11 months ago
    When I divorced #1 I got the kid, the car, the bank account, complete care, custody, control and education of THE CHILD and visitation at my convenience. I did let him have the divorce and he paid the court and my attorney!
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  • Posted by $ 25n56il4 5 years, 11 months ago
    Are the people supporting things like this Unisex item afraid of something? For the life of me, I cannot understand this. Of course, I was never for "equal rights". I liked it when we had it better than you guys! Opening doors, etc.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 5 years, 11 months ago
    I am more of the opinion of freedomforall. To have both girls and boys in an organization is not the knell of doom.

    I imagine that similar outrage existed when grammar schools were made co-ed; I remember such rhetoric when colleges became co-ed. It has not meant the end of colleges.

    The key is to make the Scouts still mean competence and responsibility - which is eroding because of our culture. Having girls in the troop is trivial. I read several comments below about the presence of girls meaning that boys could not be strong and capable. Huh?

    Jan
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  • Posted by brkssb 5 years, 12 months ago
    Why don’t you all let each girl or boy decide if he or she would like to join an organization that is focused on survival skills, or domestic skills?
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