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Socialist Dream goes down in flames

Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 11 months ago to Government
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Yes, anyone with half a brain could predict the outcome. I am glad they tried it, however, just so that other people can point that no one else needs to try it ever again. Not that it will stop the ideologues on the left from trying...
SOURCE URL: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/2/editorial-finland-tries-to-make-universal-basic-in/


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    Posted by Solver 5 years, 11 months ago
    “If you want more of something, subsidize it. If you want less of something, tax it.”
    Ronald Reagan

    “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need”
    Karl Marx

    And that is just one thing that shows why socialism will never work. This is [historically] deadly when these are physically applied to need and ability.
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    • Posted by exceller 5 years, 11 months ago
      Yes, Marx said those words and millions were executed in the name of that goal.

      The result has not been what Marx imagined in his delirious dreams about a society where no human nature exists. He based on his objectives w/o the slightest knowledge of how societies work.

      But if you think that socialists/communists (interestingly most articles commemorating his 200 year past do not mention communism. They talk about socialism.) the idea still is in the deepest appreciation of the elite left in the West. Apologists sill say the sacrifice was worth the objective.

      But I am asking: what was worth it? What is the result? Even though communism is officially dead, the gradual encroachment of the left and its goal to create chaos in which it is easier to introduce tyranny and dictatorial power is obvious.

      One needs to only look at Western Europe how far they have already gone. The US is not far behind. That is the reason for the vicious attacks on Trump and his presidency: he is not one of them.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 5 years, 11 months ago
    I still find progressives that maintain the only reason communism fails is the result of sabotage by capitalists. Socialism and its adherents represent a mass movement, requiring zealots to lead, and obedient masses to follow unquestioningly.

    Bernie Sanders and his competitors on the left are now promising "free" college, "free" medical care, and "guaranteed" jobs (translation: if you can't find a job, government will offer you public projects work). If the last promise meant an end to welfare, that might not be a bad thing, but when questioned about the creation of government slave labor, Bernie promised the guarantee would be only for those who want to work. Welfare queens need not apply, as they'll still get their checks.
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  • Posted by GaryL 5 years, 11 months ago
    Interesting how from the earliest cave dwellers right up through and including the American Indian Tribes they had this all figured out. Every member had an assigned task according to their abilities. Hunt, gather, cook, care for the old and young and you got to eat and sleep in the comforts with the rest. Those who were slackers found themselves banished from the tribe and on their own in short order.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 5 years, 11 months ago
    A failed experiment with socialism is one of the oldest American pioneer stories~
    https://www.offthegridnews.com/religi...
    Me dino has caption for that photo of the President of Finland due to it being inspired by the man's stupid-looking expression~
    "Duh, how'd I know dat wuz gonna happen?"
    Me dino just thought of another~
    "Duh, how youse like my Moonbeam impression?"
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    • Posted by $ Suzanne43 5 years, 11 months ago
      Maybe someone should have sent the President of Finland a copy of Atlas Shrugged before he went off the deep end with this stupidity.
      Take a lesson, Crazy Bernie and George Sorros....not that there is any chance of them ever wising up.
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  • Posted by $ pixelate 5 years, 11 months ago
    The outcome of this so-called 'experiment' was never in doubt. Feeding cancer does not incentivize it to become productive. It merely allows the cancer to continue to thrive at the expense of the productive.
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 11 months ago
    I am surprised that apparently intelligent adults would even THINK that this would work in this day and age. Its even being tried in the USA, or at least the idea floated.
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    • Posted by $ 5 years, 11 months ago
      Intelligence is highly overrated. What is underrated is wisdom - the ability to learn from others' mistakes/history. If we had wise leaders, the first thing they would do is say "Has this been tried before? If so, what was the result?" But wisdom and ideology are commonly mutually exclusive.
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      • Posted by term2 5 years, 11 months ago
        I think the overwhelming DESIRE for socialism to work somehow overrules any rational analysis indicating it CANT work
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        • Posted by $ puzzlelady 5 years, 11 months ago
          Exactly, term2! It COULD work if people weren't so obstinately self-preserving ("preserving", not "serving"). Trouble is, the doctrine of mandatory self-sacrifice always ends up with a corruption of the golden equation: neither live for others, nor ask others to live for you, or, in its original formulation, treat others as you want to be treated. Such mutual exchange of values is a more complicated way to understand and institute equal justice and universal happiness. Humans may not have evolved far enough for each individual to arrive independently to this level of wisdom.

          Nature does not favor self-immolators for survival. It has evolved predators and prey, but having them within the same species is self-defeating. Whether by guillotines or redistribution, mob rule cannot satisfy the yearned-for utopia. So who is manipulating the mobs with envy, hatred, and blind emotion? Who is the carrier of those poisonous memes? Or are they all hapless victims of the same infection?
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          • Posted by BeenThere 5 years, 11 months ago
            "Nature does not favor self-immolators for survival."

            It is nature that scares the sh*t out of them; they run from it; they can't act in concert with it; they hate it. I remember a bumper sticker from the 1990's: Reality Sucks. There ya go!
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          • Posted by Solver 5 years, 11 months ago
            But if they were to splice together specific parts they wanted from different human beings, they could create a new being, custom made to resist human nature. This could be called the Frankenstein project.
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            • Posted by $ puzzlelady 5 years, 11 months ago
              LOL. But you'd have to do it in the software part of the brain, not the physical. And we're back to what is, in fact, happening with propaganda, brain-washing, ideological warfare. And where in the brain is the suggestible, value-doctoring and emotional vulnerability that Randian reason tries to protect? X marx the spot.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 5 years, 11 months ago
    Well, let's be honest, the lefties will say at least the flames will keep them warm during the lean times as they blindly continue forward with their idiotlogy. How many times has socialism imploded and they keep wastefully trying to revive the corpse by propping it up with cosmetics.
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