I cannot hear that without thinking of the movie, "The Slugger's Wife"...

I remember back in the '70's when the first oil shock happened. I was listening to some of the scout leaders talk at camp. One of them said to the effect that he's happy to pay whatever it was at the time to keep our oil in the ground. At some point, the middle east will be out and then we will still have our reserves.

I don't think that any of these politicians would be so strategic nor allow the benefit to the nation overrule their own political benefit (and definitely not the current crop). However, the greenies might just have done us a favor that they never intended. We just might end up in a situation where we do have the energy resources when others are running out. By then, we'll probably have other sources developed.

But that also means maintaining a force for stability. They wouldn't need to even do anything other than be there in a number sufficient to dissuade the terrorists from returning. Telling the terrorists that you're going to run home with your tail between your legs as the first thing said was idiotic foreign policy.

This began in earnest when O proclaimed that we were "getting out" - first Iraq then Afghan. Why would someone put themselves at risk by being seen to aid the infidel when the power vacuum will be filled by the extremists as soon as we depart - with a resulting cleansing of those who aided the infidels.

" until THEY take action as did the people during the American revolution, are willing to ALL stand up and put their blood on the line, they will not have what we have."

Is that why the Confederate War failed to gain freedom for black slaves?

Bilderberger? Sounds like a fast-food place.

"Welcome to Build-a-Burger, may I take your order?"

Depends on what you carpet bomb it with.

Rational is going to lose the war.

When will people get it? We are not fighting MIT professors. We are not fighting marine biologists. We are fighting MEN. Undomesticated homo sapiens. Reason and rationality will not work with them, any more than it would work with our ancestors of 10 thousand years ago.

The 'rational' response, that is, the response appropriate to homo sapiens based upon our 200,000+ year evolutionary conditioning, is a bloodbath; a frenzied, terrifying destruction of all life in a very messy fashion. That gets the message across.

You want to tell a three year old to stay out of the cookie jar, you do not reason with him. You tell him no, and when he tries it you swat his ass.

Because a three year old is still a primitive, uncivilized homo sapiens.

Likewise, you want to teach these people not to harm Americans, you make them suffer in the extreme for having done so. The swat on the ass, the carpet bombing of the region, they get the message across where high falutin' grad school language won't.

We destroyed Dresden in a night. The firebombing of Tokyo did far more destruction than did both atomic bombs. It doesn't take "more advanced weaponry" than thousands of gallons of napalm.


I'm not coming at this from a blood lust point of view; I'm not wanting to inflict suffering to satiate some mindless need for an eye for an eye.

I know, in your people's world, women are equal and the initiation of force is insane, and blah blah blah. Check your premise. We're dealing with the naked apes of Earth, not carefully cultivated middle-class American IQs. And I don't mean that as a pejorative against Moslems or Afghans, but as a description of us as we really are, stripped of our intellectual sophistry.