Perhaps liberals/Democrats/socialists should be banned fron owning guns since the majority of them don't like/like them and most mass murders seem to come from their ranks.

So that should be easily accomplished and then conservatives will be free to own whatever firearms they want and will be better prepared to protect the whining liberal snowflakes if they feel like it.

"A married man has responsibilities and therefore less time to spend getting into trouble."
It obviously not true for all individuals, but the trend you describe has been true since antiquity. The very first story known to humankind , Gilgamesh, has this as part of its plot: Get the guy in a relationship and he'll settle down.

A married man has responsibilities and therefore less time to spend getting into trouble. Many years ago I had a friend that was on what was at the time called High Risk Auto Insurance. $500.00 for 6 months of liability only in a clunker when normal full coverage for new car cost less than half that for a year. He got married, he was 20 at the time. The very next day he was able to get regular auto insurance rates including full coverage which was not available to High Risk drivers. He was still the same stupid driver, I refused to ride with him, we always took my car. But the mere fact that he was married changed his reliability/responsibility status in the eyes of the insurance company and thereby saved him hundreds of dollars a year. Even after divorcing a year later.

"no longer secretary of anything"
The Chicago Manual and the Name-Calling Idiot Manual differ on how to handle names and titles of retired officials.

In all seriousness, though, in case it isn't obvious: I ignore jokes about violence and the rest of this nonsense about socialism and President Obama because none of it deservices a response.

"In rural area a single murder in a year skews the data for the period."
I completely agree, but it can be compensated for by combining rural counties into larger rural areas.

"Growing up in some places — especially liberal ones — makes people less likely to marry, new data shows."
This was interesting. I saw the little red (low marriage rate) for liberal Dane County where I live. It made me think how my wife and I got married at age 31, so we reduced our marriage rate. Maybe urbanites get more education on ave and therefore get married later in life. It's also interesting that the effect is not as strong in Seattle.

I have a notion that men marrying young makes them less violent. I'm not sure if the facts agree with my notion or which way the causal vectors go-- maybe non-violent men are more likely to want to get married and find a partner who wants to marry them.

A small concentrated minority causes the onus to fall on the majority, making a minor problem grow out of proportion.

Me too! And, I am hopeful on that score. We haven't seen a government before like the one Trump has put together. It all takes time. We shall see.

Ah. I missed the sarcasm. Gotcha.

They've certainly dodged prosecution for this long it would take measures from the highest people in the land to change that. My hope is that the upcoming Sessions prosecutions of McCabe, Mueller, et al for the Russian Dossier, Uranium One deal, and Clinton server botched prosecution changes this dynamic substantially.

:-) I'm disagreeing with your first sentence that the Clintons would be in jail, even if proven they were murderers.

I'm not sure what part you are disagreeing with.

And "Chappaquiddick" is on my list of movies to go see. I don't believe Teddy Kennedy was innocent either, but he certainly was lauded by the left.

I still see it as a people density problem, the more people there are the more murders, fights, arguments, traffic accidents and deaths, etc. In fact it seems that as more gun laws and restrictions are imposed on a city the more murder and crime utilizing the gun. If they banned knives the knife crime rate would probably go up. These cities are also usually the most densely populated, more people per acre. Take a look at Chicago, DC, Baltimore, etc., they have the strictest gun laws yet produce the highest gun crime rates. Other crime rates are higher too. It amounts to easy targets, gun bans allow criminals safe and easy access to whatever they want to take away from others and a gun insures their success. Criminals do not obey the law, in fact that's why they call them criminals. Taking criminals off the streets will lower crime, of which murder is just one kind of crime. Taking guns off the streets has proven to increase crime, again I refer you to those cities which seem to prove my point.

We should try an experiment, change the law in Chicago and allow its citizens their "constitutional rights", to carry, and keep the strict controls on Washington D.C., in fact just put an entire ban on guns in DC. Then we might be able to prove the theories one way or the other.

Respectfully, I disagree with that statement. Proven criminality of the left usually does NOT end up being punished. Everyone knew Ted Kennedy let Mary Jo die in his car. He spent his life touted positively (I guess) as the "Lion of the Senate" (whatever that means). Only now that he's dead, a truthful movie is out depicting his disgraceful life.

If anything had been proven, the Clintons would be in jail. But the list just keeps growing. Here's a snippet: http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2016/08/...

It is interesting that where there are more guns there are far fewer murders. Does gun ownership prevent crimes or is it that people who own guns are less likely to use them against others when they are upset? Another interesting fact, looking at where the most murders occur that is the highest concentration of liberals and socialist. Maybe to protect people they should be outlawed?
Statistics do not give the information needed. Why resort to violence? Not that control needs to be the first answer but how to intercede seems the better question.

Yes. Convention of the States and the FairTax are a couple of the solutions I support. However, my point about people on our side just wanting to be left alone is an obstacle to implementing what we, who pay attention, know will fix these problems. Another is the NeverTrumper's insistence that Trump's "crudeness" (Actual: FIGHTING SPIRIT) is "coarsening" the body politic. They play right into the left's hands (likely by design).

If you can convince people that the son of a Jewish carpenter turned rabbi was God, then you can convince humans of pretty much anything. Once the story caught on and was modified over the years by various "holy" men, until it became a matter of fact.
Jewish Man:"I hear that your son has become a priest."
Catholic Man: Ye, we are very proud.
J.M. Can he be promoted to a higher degree?
C.M. Yes, he can become a Monsignor.
J.M. And after that?
C.M. Well he could become a bishop and even go as high as becoming the Pope.
J.M. And where can he go after that?
C.M. (annoyed) Do you expect him to become God?
J.M. Why not? One of our boys made it.

With Obama sending thousands of illegal immigrants to rural towns against the wishes of the residents, even that will be skewed by Obama, Hitlery and their bands of looters and illegals unless the crimes by unwanted forced immigrants are removed from all the data. "Secretary" Clinton is no longer secretary of anything except her crime gang.
I look forward to watching her face a firing squad on tv.
You and other supporters of socialism are welcome to tax yourselves to support socialism, but keep your bleeding hearts and hands out of my pockets. I'm not going to be dinner for Hitlery and her band of wolves.

How do we "control" liberalism/leftism?
Take away the power to tax production and the power to create debt by inflating the currency.
Defund government. Today we have no power to do so because the federal police would descend on anyone attempting it.
We do have the power to wreck the financial fortunes of the companies that support big government by going on a consumer strike, which also cuts the funding of government.

Murder rates per 100,000 population are misleading and problematic when comparing urban and rural areas unless it is done over a very long period (20+ years which then masks any trends.) In rural area a single murder in a year skews the data for the period.

We could throw in lots of unrelated stats and there is little scientific evidence that there is any statistical correlation between the demographics and crime rates. If you want to discuss other stats then start another thread.
Here are some places to start ;^)
Unrelated statistics per the 2010 FBI studies,
53% of murder perpetrators were black (13% of population)
77% of murder victims were male (49% of population)
50% of murder victims were black (13% of population)
47% of murder victims were white (74% of population)
14% of murder victims were other races (2.5% of population)
53% of murder victims were killed by someone they knew
25% of murder victims were killed by a relative

Even more interesting is this article from the NYT:
Growing up in some places — especially liberal ones — makes people less likely to marry, new data shows.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...

Was out fixing pasture fence earlier today.I had to run into town to get some fuel and forgot I had strapped a gun on my hip for hawgs and snakes. Some snowflake with NY plates on his car walked up to me and asked "why do you Texans think you have to carry a gun"? (I have a permit for open carry, but I usually don't walk around with a gun strapped to my hip, I don't need the grief). As I was putting the fuel dispenser back up and getting into my truck, I looked at him and replied "cause a cop won't fit in my holster dumbass" and drove away..

"I'd like to see an overlay map created of the murder rates and the voting by county in the 2016 election."
I would like that too. President Trump ran on claims that violent crime is out of control and the country is falling apart. Secretary Clinton's supporters, at least in my little corner of the world, feel like things were going well and life is good. If that continues, meaning it's not just incumbent bias, it would be a weird and interesting thing if crime were actually lower in Republican areas.

I don't know about murder=Clintons. Have any of the rumors been proven? However, leftism definitely ends in genocide. You only need to start listing the Left's most famous names (Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Sanger) to see where it ends up.

The left is all about "control" of anything they disagree with. Doesn't matter that they are WRONG, WRONG, and REALLY WRONG.

How do we "control" liberalism/leftism? People on the right just want to be left alone. And, the politically active people on the right are always on defense. Until Trump. People may hate his manner and "bull in the china shop" ways. However, he is showing the way. "Manners" do NOT belong in politics when the stakes are SO HIGH. I hope there are many more Trump's, of many varying degrees, thinking about becoming politically active! Or, we'll just fall back on the left's sword when DJT's 8 years are done.

That is exactly the observation I was expecting (and hoping) to hear, dino.
I'd like to see an overlay map created of the murder rates and the voting by county in the 2016 election. If someone had the data it could probably be done in Excel.

I'd love to see that as well. It looks like quite a project, though, to get all the numbers. Perhaps somebody has the resources. Maybe Hannity.

The gun control has the opposite effect that is advertised. If someone thinks there will be no one present with a gun to use in self defense they are more likely to take violent action.