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Murders in US very concentrated: 54% of US counties in 2014 had zero murders, 2% of counties have 51% of the murders

Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 11 months ago to Culture
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According to a 2013 PEW Research Center survey, the household gun ownership rate in rural areas was 2.11 times greater than in urban areas (“Why Own a Gun? Protection is Now Top Reason,” PEW Research Center, March 12, 2013). Suburban households are 28.6% more likely to own guns than urban households. Despite lower gun ownership, urban areas experience much higher murder rates. One should not put much weight on this purely “cross-sectional” evidence over one point in time and many factors determine murder rates, but it is still interesting to note that so much of the country has both very high gun ownership rates and zero murders.

This study shows how murders in the United States are heavily concentrated in very small areas. Few appreciate how much of the US has no murders each year. Murder isn’t a nationwide problem. It’s a problem in a very small set of urban areas, and any solution must reduce those murders.
SOURCE URL: https://crimeresearch.org/2017/04/number-murders-county-54-us-counties-2014-zero-murders-69-1-murder/


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  • Posted by CTYankee 5 years, 11 months ago
    Pfft! Are you actually trying to convince Progressive-Socialists with facts?
    ROFLMAO
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    • Posted by 5 years, 11 months ago
      ;^)
      I'd like to see an overlay map of the murder rates and the voting by county in the 2016 election. Let's put the facts out there so some young (or older open) minds have the opportunity to see them and to question the propaganda.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 5 years, 11 months ago
    There have been numerous studies that prove a rat warren existence typical of inner city life breeds paranoia, hostility, and a lack of empathy. No amount of gun control can cure the elements that lead to violence of all types. Witness the fact that London now has more homicides than New York City, even though guns are outlawed in London. Stabbings and acid attacks are now the leading cause of homicides among Londoners, but gun violence is on the rise, because criminals pay no attention to gun restrictions.
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    • Posted by 5 years, 11 months ago
      The gun control has the opposite effect that is advertised. If someone thinks there will be no one present with a gun to use in self defense they are more likely to take violent action.
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    • Posted by Solver 5 years, 11 months ago
      Has there ever been studies where hundreds of rats that had their teeth and claws removed and are all placed together? Do they all live in peace until their dying days?
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 5 years, 11 months ago
        Removing rats' teeth and claws just leads to a lot of rats dead from starvation. They breed so fast that the next generation, complete with teeth and claws, are driven to kill their helpless elders to make sure there's enough food and water for them, before they get busy killing each other. It's the lack of safe territory that drives the animals insane and homicidal.
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  • Posted by Solver 5 years, 11 months ago
    There is a lot of red in California. If fact most of the state is red, blood red.
    It would be interesting to see a graph of leftist take overs versus murders in that state.
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    • Posted by 5 years, 11 months ago
      Most of the murders are in cities where gun laws are the most severe and the majority of voters ignore reality: government does not protect the people. The best security is owning and knowing how to use a firearm in self defense.
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      • Posted by Exitstageright 5 years, 11 months ago
        Was out fixing pasture fence earlier today.I had to run into town to get some fuel and forgot I had strapped a gun on my hip for hawgs and snakes. Some snowflake with NY plates on his car walked up to me and asked "why do you Texans think you have to carry a gun"? (I have a permit for open carry, but I usually don't walk around with a gun strapped to my hip, I don't need the grief). As I was putting the fuel dispenser back up and getting into my truck, I looked at him and replied "cause a cop won't fit in my holster dumbass" and drove away..
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      • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 11 months ago
        Clear proof no gun law will fix a problem based on people. You have to fix the people, and the problems they have are the same ones our own poor have, who do not want to have to work, learn and improve, in the welfare culture the left has built in the last 75 years.
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  • Posted by NealS 5 years, 11 months ago
    I still see it as a people density problem, the more people there are the more murders, fights, arguments, traffic accidents and deaths, etc. In fact it seems that as more gun laws and restrictions are imposed on a city the more murder and crime utilizing the gun. If they banned knives the knife crime rate would probably go up. These cities are also usually the most densely populated, more people per acre. Take a look at Chicago, DC, Baltimore, etc., they have the strictest gun laws yet produce the highest gun crime rates. Other crime rates are higher too. It amounts to easy targets, gun bans allow criminals safe and easy access to whatever they want to take away from others and a gun insures their success. Criminals do not obey the law, in fact that's why they call them criminals. Taking criminals off the streets will lower crime, of which murder is just one kind of crime. Taking guns off the streets has proven to increase crime, again I refer you to those cities which seem to prove my point.

    We should try an experiment, change the law in Chicago and allow its citizens their "constitutional rights", to carry, and keep the strict controls on Washington D.C., in fact just put an entire ban on guns in DC. Then we might be able to prove the theories one way or the other.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 11 months ago
    If you can convince people that the son of a Jewish carpenter turned rabbi was God, then you can convince humans of pretty much anything. Once the story caught on and was modified over the years by various "holy" men, until it became a matter of fact.
    Jewish Man:"I hear that your son has become a priest."
    Catholic Man: Ye, we are very proud.
    J.M. Can he be promoted to a higher degree?
    C.M. Yes, he can become a Monsignor.
    J.M. And after that?
    C.M. Well he could become a bishop and even go as high as becoming the Pope.
    J.M. And where can he go after that?
    C.M. (annoyed) Do you expect him to become God?
    J.M. Why not? One of our boys made it.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 5 years, 11 months ago
    Not surprising at all that the two biggest concentrations of red are where ILLEGAL ALIENS traverse routinely and call home. Phoenix is not a gun control state..even so, there is enough shit from south of the border to make crime, violent crime, a very real fact of life - "if I could get away no one would know and I would never be punished" One told a friend after a hit and run.

    You can't make this up.
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    • Posted by 5 years, 11 months ago
      I loved Phoenix when I lived there in 1983,1990-1991. When I returned in 1999 it had changed almost completely. The large small town was gone. Liberals were running the AZ Republic and brainwashing the people, although the influx of people from Chicago, Detroit, and CA didn't help either.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 11 months ago
      I agree, and now their is this constant stream of people wanting to "escape" the poverty, violence and criminals, only to bring it here when they show up, have no job, no skills, no english, and no way out. They (a group of them, not all) have no choice but to turn to gangs and criminals. That map says it all, Kalifornia is almost guilty of treason and criminal obstruction of justice in it's insane policies.
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  • Posted by chad 5 years, 11 months ago
    It is interesting that where there are more guns there are far fewer murders. Does gun ownership prevent crimes or is it that people who own guns are less likely to use them against others when they are upset? Another interesting fact, looking at where the most murders occur that is the highest concentration of liberals and socialist. Maybe to protect people they should be outlawed?
    Statistics do not give the information needed. Why resort to violence? Not that control needs to be the first answer but how to intercede seems the better question.
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    • Posted by zonoz 5 years, 11 months ago
      Perhaps liberals/Democrats/socialists should be banned fron owning guns since the majority of them don't like/like them and most mass murders seem to come from their ranks.

      So that should be easily accomplished and then conservatives will be free to own whatever firearms they want and will be better prepared to protect the whining liberal snowflakes if they feel like it.
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  • Posted by JuliBMe 5 years, 11 months ago
    Seems to me we need to control liberalism to control the murder rate.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 11 months ago
      When you lose the respect for other people and see control as a way of life, murder then creeps into your list of tolerated activities. Look no further than the Clintons for an example of this.
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      • Posted by JuliBMe 5 years, 11 months ago
        I don't know about murder=Clintons. Have any of the rumors been proven? However, leftism definitely ends in genocide. You only need to start listing the Left's most famous names (Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Sanger) to see where it ends up.

        The left is all about "control" of anything they disagree with. Doesn't matter that they are WRONG, WRONG, and REALLY WRONG.

        How do we "control" liberalism/leftism? People on the right just want to be left alone. And, the politically active people on the right are always on defense. Until Trump. People may hate his manner and "bull in the china shop" ways. However, he is showing the way. "Manners" do NOT belong in politics when the stakes are SO HIGH. I hope there are many more Trump's, of many varying degrees, thinking about becoming politically active! Or, we'll just fall back on the left's sword when DJT's 8 years are done.
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        • Posted by 5 years, 11 months ago
          How do we "control" liberalism/leftism?
          Take away the power to tax production and the power to create debt by inflating the currency.
          Defund government. Today we have no power to do so because the federal police would descend on anyone attempting it.
          We do have the power to wreck the financial fortunes of the companies that support big government by going on a consumer strike, which also cuts the funding of government.
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          • Posted by JuliBMe 5 years, 11 months ago
            Yes. Convention of the States and the FairTax are a couple of the solutions I support. However, my point about people on our side just wanting to be left alone is an obstacle to implementing what we, who pay attention, know will fix these problems. Another is the NeverTrumper's insistence that Trump's "crudeness" (Actual: FIGHTING SPIRIT) is "coarsening" the body politic. They play right into the left's hands (likely by design).
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        • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 11 months ago
          If anything had been proven, the Clintons would be in jail. But the list just keeps growing. Here's a snippet: http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2016/08/...
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          • Posted by JuliBMe 5 years, 11 months ago
            Respectfully, I disagree with that statement. Proven criminality of the left usually does NOT end up being punished. Everyone knew Ted Kennedy let Mary Jo die in his car. He spent his life touted positively (I guess) as the "Lion of the Senate" (whatever that means). Only now that he's dead, a truthful movie is out depicting his disgraceful life.
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            • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 11 months ago
              I'm not sure what part you are disagreeing with.

              And "Chappaquiddick" is on my list of movies to go see. I don't believe Teddy Kennedy was innocent either, but he certainly was lauded by the left.
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              • Posted by JuliBMe 5 years, 11 months ago
                :-) I'm disagreeing with your first sentence that the Clintons would be in jail, even if proven they were murderers.
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                • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 11 months ago
                  Ah. I missed the sarcasm. Gotcha.

                  They've certainly dodged prosecution for this long it would take measures from the highest people in the land to change that. My hope is that the upcoming Sessions prosecutions of McCabe, Mueller, et al for the Russian Dossier, Uranium One deal, and Clinton server botched prosecution changes this dynamic substantially.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 5 years, 11 months ago
    I did not do an analysis of the data here, but a quick overview suggests the most murders are committed in cities run by Democrats.
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    • Posted by 5 years, 11 months ago
      That is what I was hoping to hear when I posted this, Esceptio.
      I'd like to see an overlay map created of the murder rates and the voting by county in the 2016 election. If someone had the data it could probably be done in Excel.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 11 months ago
    This study is interesting. It's unfortunate they mostly report murders per county. In the middle of the article it says the murder rate for US is 4.4 per 100k. Removing the 2% of counties where half of the murders occur results in murder rate of 3.06 per 100k for the other 98% of counties. It doesn't go down that much because most of the effect is that most people live in those 2% of counties. But it does go down some, which is interesting. If it were just proximity to policing, we might expect murder to be less common in big cities. I do believe rural people rely on guns to protection that urban people rely on police for. Police take minutes to arrive even in urban areas, so guns work better at deterring crime.

    Another effect not discussed in young unmarried men tend to commit most murder. Urban areas lend themselves more to unmarried people. So it's possible this is responsible for the difference in murder rate.

    I agree something is there, but this article confuses it by not adjusting for population. Those 2% of counties have most of the people, so they will tend to have more of every human activity. It would have been clearer if they provided more per-100k data.
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    • Posted by 5 years, 11 months ago
      Murder rates per 100,000 population are misleading and problematic when comparing urban and rural areas unless it is done over a very long period (20+ years which then masks any trends.) In rural area a single murder in a year skews the data for the period.

      We could throw in lots of unrelated stats and there is little scientific evidence that there is any statistical correlation between the demographics and crime rates. If you want to discuss other stats then start another thread.
      Here are some places to start ;^)
      Unrelated statistics per the 2010 FBI studies,
      53% of murder perpetrators were black (13% of population)
      77% of murder victims were male (49% of population)
      50% of murder victims were black (13% of population)
      47% of murder victims were white (74% of population)
      14% of murder victims were other races (2.5% of population)
      53% of murder victims were killed by someone they knew
      25% of murder victims were killed by a relative

      Even more interesting is this article from the NYT:
      Growing up in some places — especially liberal ones — makes people less likely to marry, new data shows.
      https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 11 months ago
        "In rural area a single murder in a year skews the data for the period."
        I completely agree, but it can be compensated for by combining rural counties into larger rural areas.

        "Growing up in some places — especially liberal ones — makes people less likely to marry, new data shows."
        This was interesting. I saw the little red (low marriage rate) for liberal Dane County where I live. It made me think how my wife and I got married at age 31, so we reduced our marriage rate. Maybe urbanites get more education on ave and therefore get married later in life. It's also interesting that the effect is not as strong in Seattle.

        I have a notion that men marrying young makes them less violent. I'm not sure if the facts agree with my notion or which way the causal vectors go-- maybe non-violent men are more likely to want to get married and find a partner who wants to marry them.
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        • Posted by zonoz 5 years, 11 months ago
          A married man has responsibilities and therefore less time to spend getting into trouble. Many years ago I had a friend that was on what was at the time called High Risk Auto Insurance. $500.00 for 6 months of liability only in a clunker when normal full coverage for new car cost less than half that for a year. He got married, he was 20 at the time. The very next day he was able to get regular auto insurance rates including full coverage which was not available to High Risk drivers. He was still the same stupid driver, I refused to ride with him, we always took my car. But the mere fact that he was married changed his reliability/responsibility status in the eyes of the insurance company and thereby saved him hundreds of dollars a year. Even after divorcing a year later.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 11 months ago
            "A married man has responsibilities and therefore less time to spend getting into trouble."
            It obviously not true for all individuals, but the trend you describe has been true since antiquity. The very first story known to humankind , Gilgamesh, has this as part of its plot: Get the guy in a relationship and he'll settle down.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 5 years, 11 months ago
    Besides bloody Kalifornia, first thing me dino noticed about the map is that in Alabama my Jefferson County (it contains the city of Birmingham) is deep red. No surprise there.
    On another kind of map it would be a blue splotch on a red state~that blue splotch voting for The Evil Hag and other lib politicians who want to take my guns.
    Why? So I can't defend myself from all the blue splotch welfare-bred gang-bangers?
    Good golly me so solly! Me dino don't~nyah! nyah! nyah!~think so.
    I also notice that the counties containing Montgomery (state capital) and Mobile are a shade slightly less red with the county containing Huntsville trying to catch up.
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    • Posted by 5 years, 11 months ago
      That is exactly the observation I was expecting (and hoping) to hear, dino.
      I'd like to see an overlay map created of the murder rates and the voting by county in the 2016 election. If someone had the data it could probably be done in Excel.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 11 months ago
        "I'd like to see an overlay map created of the murder rates and the voting by county in the 2016 election."
        I would like that too. President Trump ran on claims that violent crime is out of control and the country is falling apart. Secretary Clinton's supporters, at least in my little corner of the world, feel like things were going well and life is good. If that continues, meaning it's not just incumbent bias, it would be a weird and interesting thing if crime were actually lower in Republican areas.
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        • Posted by 5 years, 11 months ago
          With Obama sending thousands of illegal immigrants to rural towns against the wishes of the residents, even that will be skewed by Obama, Hitlery and their bands of looters and illegals unless the crimes by unwanted forced immigrants are removed from all the data. "Secretary" Clinton is no longer secretary of anything except her crime gang.
          I look forward to watching her face a firing squad on tv.
          You and other supporters of socialism are welcome to tax yourselves to support socialism, but keep your bleeding hearts and hands out of my pockets. I'm not going to be dinner for Hitlery and her band of wolves.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 11 months ago
            "no longer secretary of anything"
            The Chicago Manual and the Name-Calling Idiot Manual differ on how to handle names and titles of retired officials.

            In all seriousness, though, in case it isn't obvious: I ignore jokes about violence and the rest of this nonsense about socialism and President Obama because none of it deservices a response.
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