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Welcome to new America

IT is coming, they have been massaging and lieing to cover it up, and all the major economies have a stake in doing so because all are leveraged at 100% or greater. The bond market is going to explode soon...

"give me come numbers at which the [national debt] situation will become serious."
10 years ago. I think we have been lucky that there has not been another crisis related to debt.

" It is predominantly Progressive Democrats."
Below even though it sounds simplistic (to me), all of these social problems you describe can be traced back to progressive Democrats. If progressive Democrats, voters and politicians, dropped out of the political process altogether, how much would the problems improve?

So you have no definitions to refer to. Your BLACK person is just a subjective feel bad object for you and a WHITE person a subjective feel good object for you. Your "Obama made these people feel entitled BECAUSE they were black." Cultural mindlessness, as yours, is destroying the USA. It tends to end in violence.

I look at people more along cultural lines than skin color or race. There are cultures that I like or dislike to varying degrees. What I call the entitled cultures are distinguished by their thoughts and actions. Their members can be of any race

Exactly! And this privilege has the unintended consequence of encouraging bad behavior

Again, excellent response and debate, you are on a roll...

Thank you, well made argument, with data.

And do not take precautions to stop spawning, have all the sex they want, just don't spawn....but as long as there is free money, a bounty for each head, you will have this uncontrolled reproduction, even when they have no means of raising them.

I drift more and more towards a law system that is just that, you get what you did to others, golden rule.

Actually, it has become a cultural thing that can be adopted by any person who feels the need, it is just a skin tone required to get the ticket to be able to use it as an excuse for any behavior that would other wise result in penalty. I am not a fan of any special treatment for anyone, since it is almost always predicated on some past misdeed that cannot be rectified. Stand on your own merits, in this case the penalties did not fit the crime, nor were the parents held accountable, nor (if no parents) the state (if in their care).

Please define what a black person is. I have seen only a few black skinned persons and only a few white skinned persons during my 78 years. Is that some kind of racial thing by which you are deciding whether some person is black or white. Those concepts have actual definitions and do not have people as a the genus.

Sounds like a sort of...privilege.

Yes and reinforced by pop culture.
My wife and I comment to each other how often
Shows present as super common one night stands . Regularly couples have sex and then try to get to know each other after . Emotional reaction and then deal with consequences later.
Never a good way to have control of your life.

This crop of teens have been indoctrinated in to an unbelievably biased school system that does not allow for responsibility in behavior due to Political Correctness. Emotional reactions with out
Reason is the norm.

One reason that fathers are absent and "spawning with several women" is that women tolerate this kind of conduct, and do not properly insist on their
rights before having sex.

Lobotomy would be worse than death. It is not necessary to go so far. Yes, prison sentence should have been imposed.

"Helping people doesn't always result in teen pregnancy and the other social problems you mention."

I think the fundamental misunderstanding is what actually comprises "help". It is not help to create long-term dependence, which is what many of these policies and programs are specifically designed to do! Take the welfare state and the phenomenon of wage traps wherein a person moving up an income bracket then actually is forced to pay more in taxes, receive less in aid, and as a result despite making more money is less well off! That is a specific design consideration of the system and its intent is to trap people into long-term dependency. The same with removing the work requirement for welfare recipients, among many others.

"You list a bunch of policies like subsidizing meals for poor kids, and it's hard for me to see that all of them lead to social problems."

I see them. I live in a neighborhood filled with "poor" people (having been to other nations, I laugh when anyone calls an American poor). My kids go to public school with many other children who take advantage of free breakfast at school, reduced prices for school lunches, etc. What is interesting is that these very same students are the worst achievers and the biggest disciplinary problems in the school because they take everything for granted: they don't have to work for what they earn. It is a very real problem that - although it may not stem from this particular policy - is exacerbated by it. I can cite other examples or better, refer you to Thomas Sowell's economic analysis on any one of them.

"I find it laughably simplistic to blame them on one group of people, e.g. progressive Democrats."

It is both laughable and simple - and completely justified. Look up the history of any of these programs. They were instituted by Democrats nearly without exception. LBJ bragged about how the institution of the Great Society would make every black a Democratic voter for generations to come!

National Debt - If $20 trillion in current debt and more than $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities isn't a crisis, give me come numbers at which the situation will become serious.

"Foreign Trade ... Nations being interdependent reduces the risk of wars." Only when both nations still need each other. If we're not selling anything to China, who is beholden to whom on trade?

"Prisons .. mostly for non-violent crimes." - According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics (https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&t..., "More than three-fourths of felony defendants had a prior arrest history, with 69% having multiple prior arrests." Our problem isn't the type of crime committed, but the fact that the criminals keep committing them!

Illiteracy - Even the Huffington Post had this to say about illiteracy (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...) "The link between academic failure and delinquency, violence, and crime is welded to reading failure. The stats back up this claim: 85 percent of all juveniles who interface with the juvenile court system are functionally illiterate, and over 70 percent of inmates in America’s prisons cannot read above a fourth grade level, according to BeginToRead.com."

Justice demands their lives. Create an example.

Helping people doesn't always result in teen pregnancy and the other social problems you mention. You list a bunch of policies like subsidizing meals for poor kids, and it's hard for me to see that all of them lead to social problems. I find it laughably simplistic to blame them on one group of people, e.g. progressive Democrats. But I don't have a solution to the world's social problem either.

Other problems you characterize as chaos
National Debt - A huge looming problem. I'm convinced we only fix it when it becomes a crisis even though it would be simple to fix before the crisis. Just freezing gov't spending at current levels would help.
Foreign Trade - Trade creates value. It allows producers to focus on what they're good at. Nations being interdependent reduces the risk of wars. National borders are almost like state borders when I was a kid. I send value across them for free and visit foreign colleagues without giving it much thought. The world is getting smaller.
Prisons - It is embarrassing for a country that prides itself on freedom to have > 5% of its citizens under the supervision of the criminal justice system, mostly for non-violent crimes.
Illiteracy - I think that's over-stated. I don't think people are more illiterate than they were in the past or that other countries are all more educatied.
Europe being overrun - My colleagues there still develop cool technologies. I go jogging for exercise in Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, England, and Iceland, and I don't see obvious problems that different from what we have here in my corner of the world.
Africa is a war-torn mess - It's a large continent, but trade as brought more opportunities. Its used to be Africa was mostly "poor countries". There still are a lot of poor people, but many people there are now making money.
Russia - I'm not sure what to think about Russia. I think their gov't is a greater threat than we realize because they have so many nuclear weapons.
China - I think they're so dependent on trade that they won't be a military threat. I think they'll liberalize because freedom and openness deliver the goods.
North Korea - They're the most insane country imaginable. I don't think they'll deploy a nuclear weapon or relinquish their nuclear weapons no matter what other countries do. I am surprised they're absolute totalitarian system has lasted as long as it as. I do not think they listen to foreign leader's rhetoric as much as you might think. I think their focus on is on keeping their entire population under the ruling party's thumb.
Middle East - There's been conflict in the Middle East all my life. I don't see current conditions as unusual.

" it's a long way down - for all of humanity."
That's true, but it's another way of saying humankind has made a level of progress that would be unthinkable to people who came before us.

The insanity will continue so long as it is acceptable. And right now, as we can see by this case, the behavior is acceptable. Wasn't there a procedure that could be done to criminals, years ago in more enlightened times, where the frontal cortex was scrambled a bit ... lobotomy. I am serious. You turn these animals into "asparagus pickers." Another thought: chemical castration - to ensure that they do not breed. When I read of these sorts of stories, I wonder about the creation of decentralized "star chambers" -- I think that's what they are called -- where the execution of justice is taken into the hands of the individuals that wish to live and prosper absent the threat of wild animals. When I read these sorts of stories, I replace the noted victim of the crime with an individual that I hold in high value (parent, sibling or a close friend). I then see myself hunting down the wild and dangerous animal ... slowly ... methodically ... with a plan ... and dispatching the animal with the same level of cold calculation that I would deploy an updated component of software to my clients.

Naturally they were BLACK. Thats why they arent being treated like any white person would have been. Beware and stay away from BLACK people if you want your rights respected.

Obama made these people feel entitled BECAUSE they were black. I never used to think this way until Obama, but at least in Las Vegas, one can see entitlement written on the faces of many, many black people now. Not all of course, but I would say a clear majority.

The census bureau puts the number of single-parent moms at 23%. (https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press...) That's nearly a quarter of society as a whole. In the black community, that number is an astronomical 67% (https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data.... If this weren't a race/culture issue, why such a tremendous disparity?

"To make matters worse, when we create structures to help those people, it can result"

In high crime rates, high rates of teen pregnancy, high rates of high school dropouts, high illiteracy rates, high gang membership rates, high juvenile delinquency... The list just keeps going on. And want to know a few of the policies that contributed to this? The welfare state is #1. Affirmative Action. Subsidized housing and rent controls. Minimum wage laws. Subsidized meals at schools. And look into who passes these laws. It is predominantly Progressive Democrats.

"I in no way see our society as falling into chaos."

Then to be quite blunt, you need to open your eyes. We have a national debt over $20 trillion - more than our entire annual GDP - with unfunded liabilities over $100 trillion. The Federal Reserve lists consumer debt at another staggering $13 trillion (https://www.newyorkfed.org/microecono.... Most of our industry has moved off our shores, meaning that we are dependent on other nations for basics like steel and even circuit boards for military hardware. Our prisons are overflowing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarce.... Our rate of illiteracy - especially in math and science - is growing despite funneling more money than ever into our education system. The rest of the world isn't much better. Europe is either going to bankrupt itself because of their social spending, or get overrun by immigrants who have zero desire to adopt European cultures. Africa is a war-torn mess and not getting better. Russia, China, and North Korea are growing more and more belligerent and held in check only by a strong US President's rhetoric. And the Middle East is about to descend into partisan Islamic civil war.

I don't mean to be apocalyptic, but we are one step from falling off a cliff. And it's a long way down - for all of humanity.