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Teens who killed Man after throwing sandbag from overpass wont serve jail time

Posted by $ nickursis 6 years ago to Culture
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This is what is wrong with our society. An insane society allows this to happen and has no responsibility, no way to restrain other morons from doing the same thing. Now, more kids do this, and their attorneys can point to this and say "you didn't punish them then, why now?" and scream racism or whatever. Insanity....
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  • Posted by term2 6 years ago
    Naturally they were BLACK. Thats why they arent being treated like any white person would have been. Beware and stay away from BLACK people if you want your rights respected.

    Obama made these people feel entitled BECAUSE they were black. I never used to think this way until Obama, but at least in Las Vegas, one can see entitlement written on the faces of many, many black people now. Not all of course, but I would say a clear majority.
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    • Posted by lrshultis 6 years ago
      Please define what a black person is. I have seen only a few black skinned persons and only a few white skinned persons during my 78 years. Is that some kind of racial thing by which you are deciding whether some person is black or white. Those concepts have actual definitions and do not have people as a the genus.
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      • Posted by term2 6 years ago
        I look at people more along cultural lines than skin color or race. There are cultures that I like or dislike to varying degrees. What I call the entitled cultures are distinguished by their thoughts and actions. Their members can be of any race
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      • Posted by $ 6 years ago
        Actually, it has become a cultural thing that can be adopted by any person who feels the need, it is just a skin tone required to get the ticket to be able to use it as an excuse for any behavior that would other wise result in penalty. I am not a fan of any special treatment for anyone, since it is almost always predicated on some past misdeed that cannot be rectified. Stand on your own merits, in this case the penalties did not fit the crime, nor were the parents held accountable, nor (if no parents) the state (if in their care).
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      • Posted by lrshultis 6 years ago
        So you have no definitions to refer to. Your BLACK person is just a subjective feel bad object for you and a WHITE person a subjective feel good object for you. Your "Obama made these people feel entitled BECAUSE they were black." Cultural mindlessness, as yours, is destroying the USA. It tends to end in violence.
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  • Posted by $ pixelate 6 years ago
    The insanity will continue so long as it is acceptable. And right now, as we can see by this case, the behavior is acceptable. Wasn't there a procedure that could be done to criminals, years ago in more enlightened times, where the frontal cortex was scrambled a bit ... lobotomy. I am serious. You turn these animals into "asparagus pickers." Another thought: chemical castration - to ensure that they do not breed. When I read of these sorts of stories, I wonder about the creation of decentralized "star chambers" -- I think that's what they are called -- where the execution of justice is taken into the hands of the individuals that wish to live and prosper absent the threat of wild animals. When I read these sorts of stories, I replace the noted victim of the crime with an individual that I hold in high value (parent, sibling or a close friend). I then see myself hunting down the wild and dangerous animal ... slowly ... methodically ... with a plan ... and dispatching the animal with the same level of cold calculation that I would deploy an updated component of software to my clients.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years ago
    That's ghastly. It seems surprising to me intuitively that a sand bag could kill a healthy passenger. I could clearly see it causing a fatal accident. 13 y/o. It's so young. It's just at the point where I really think they may have been too young young and stupid to realize what they were doing. I don't know what to think. I don't know the right thing to do. Letting them go doesn't seem right, but locking them up for years doesn't seem right.
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      Posted by $ 6 years ago
      They are in the care of "Juvenile Services", one until 21 the other for 3 or 4 years, but until it becomes clear this animal behavhior cannot be tolerated then it will continue. I firmly do believe it is the family breakdown, and fathers absent and spawning with several women and then leaving, that causes this stuff, yet the black community seems immune from criticism and the left has taught them te excuse is always "racism". That is what is so wrong with the lefts tactics, they breed this stuff.
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      • Posted by LibertyBelle 6 years ago
        One reason that fathers are absent and "spawning with several women" is that women tolerate this kind of conduct, and do not properly insist on their
        rights before having sex.
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        • Posted by Dobrien 6 years ago
          Yes and reinforced by pop culture.
          My wife and I comment to each other how often
          Shows present as super common one night stands . Regularly couples have sex and then try to get to know each other after . Emotional reaction and then deal with consequences later.
          Never a good way to have control of your life.
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        • Posted by $ 6 years ago
          And do not take precautions to stop spawning, have all the sex they want, just don't spawn....but as long as there is free money, a bounty for each head, you will have this uncontrolled reproduction, even when they have no means of raising them.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years ago
        The whole idea of looking at people as group communities is wrong. The community doesn't commit crimes. These people did. The article doesn't say whether the experienced family breakdown. It matters if it happened to them but not if it happened to people who look like them.

        The reason this is so ghastly is 13 y/o is right on the edge of developing full reasoning. I have the unusual view that around age 15, we're adapted to what to go out on our own and we develop the capacity to commit adult crimes. So I think we should accept that and give people all the rights and responsibilities around 15. But 13 is still sort-of a child. I don't have a clear answer.
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        • Posted by $ 6 years ago
          I have a harder view, the moment you take the step to do an action, is the moment you take the responsibility for it. Part of our dysfunction is we have decoupled responsibility by children to a n arbitrary age (18) and have to make exceptions to try them as adult. Yet, the system does not take the obvious reverse position and give both authority and responsibility to parents when they are below 18. I know a lot of parents who say " I cant do anything because the state will take them away". I also know a lot of single parent families, and a lot of that is do to the lack of personal responsibility and a sense of ownership of yourself. They want the fun, not the bill.
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          • Posted by Dobrien 6 years ago
            This crop of teens have been indoctrinated in to an unbelievably biased school system that does not allow for responsibility in behavior due to Political Correctness. Emotional reactions with out
            Reason is the norm.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years ago
            I see what you're saying. Young adults by default are not responsible for themselves and increasingly parents can't take responsibility, which means the state is responsible for them, which is obviously bad.

            I have not personally seen this issue where the state interferes, but I believe it happens. I actually see cases where I wish the state would interfere, at least to some extent. There are people who are really troubled. Their kids will likely either be troubled and criminal or neurotically successful, driven by a desire to escape their horrible childhood. I hate to see that. I certainly loath letting the government try to fix it. When the kids grow up and and commit crimes, the gov't will have to act. I wish they could help those kids sooner, without becoming intrusive. Those desires are in conflict, so I don't have the solution. Groups like Big Brothers and the YMCA can help, but only so much. It's an ancient problem that won't go away in my lifetime.
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            • Posted by $ 6 years ago
              That is one of the problems, a state that insists on interfering, restricitng parent rights to stop a small minority of bad parents, and they end up creating a situation where good parents are afraid to do anything. The 1 parent family is also an issue especially if that parent is not in a well paying job. It all contributes to the chaos our society is falling into, and they still want to inject more rules and laws into it,
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years ago
                "The 1 parent family is also an issue"
                Yes. It's probably higher than 1% b/c it's not just about paying jobs. It's about exposing the children to violent situations, serious drug/alcohol abuse, or abusing the children directly. Those can happen regardless of a good-paying job.

                To make matters worse, when we create structures to help those people, it can result in people turning to charity who otherwise would have risen to the occasion and solved their own problems. For example, my kids' public school offers a free makeshift dental clinic for kids whose parents are too poor or dysfunctional to take their kids to the dentist. Then middle-class people who don't have a major problem in life begin to rely on it. The school is sort of a hub for all kinds of services for people who don't have their act together.

                I would much rather pay taxes to help some abused child at age 9 than to pay for police to catch him and prisons to warehouse him ten years from now. But I obviously don't want a gov't managing everyone's lives.

                I knew a troubled person 20 years ago who said the best job he ever had was this job that provided uniforms, a free cafeteria, free housing, and free insurance. It paid very little cash. He immediately spent his entire paycheck on drugs, but that was okay because his job provided the necessities. In other jobs he was miserable because regardless of the size of his check, he'd blow it all on drugs and literally go hungry when the money ran out before his next check. He liked his employer providing everything for him. I lost touch with him, but I heard he got off drugs and turned his life around. I hope that's true. Anyway, my point is that's an extreme example of what happens people abdicate responsibility for taking care of the business of life. I see well-meaning programs like that dental program having that effect, just not as badly.

                I in no way see our society as falling into chaos. I see Americans as having built a wealth country and feeling like we have the ability to solve ancient problems. I like that attitude, and I don't see it as alms.

                We may be talking about two different things because I have never seen even traces of "good parents afraid to do anything." This may be a problem that exists but I haven't encountered yet.
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                • Posted by $ 6 years ago
                  You must be on a different earth than I am, as I see it just in the little town of 1000 I live in, and in the bigger ones around. The number of single moms and fathers not paying child support are enormous. All your taxes and money do NOT go for what you think they do, Oregon is clear proof of this, they get billions for health care (20 Billion in 2yrs) but still scream they need more. They funnel it to where they want (free abortions for illegals is the latest) and it is not a choice of the people, but the Kommunist Governor.It is a horrible clash of lies on a continual basis.
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years ago
                    I don't follow what you're saying, and I don't even understand enough to speculate.
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                    • Posted by Solver 6 years ago
                      “...
                      The number of single moms and fathers not paying child support are enormous. All your taxes and money do NOT go for what you think they do, Oregon is clear proof of this, they get billions for health care (20 Billion in 2yrs) but still scream they need more
                      ...”

                      I’m curious, what to you specifically not understand?
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                      • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years ago
                        I'm not getting some of the antecedents and am not connecting the dots.
                        1. Number of people not paying child support is enormous.
                        2. Taxes do not go where I think they do. (Where do I think they go?)
                        3. Oregon is clear proof of this. (What's this?)
                        4. Someone (state tax payers, fed govt, or someone else?) gives Oregon 10 billion a year.
                        5. They (who? Oregon legislature and governor?) say they need more.
                        I suspect this would be obvious to me if I worked in public policy surrounding this issue. As it is I'm lost.
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                • Posted by $ blarman 6 years ago
                  The census bureau puts the number of single-parent moms at 23%. (https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press...) That's nearly a quarter of society as a whole. In the black community, that number is an astronomical 67% (https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data.... If this weren't a race/culture issue, why such a tremendous disparity?

                  "To make matters worse, when we create structures to help those people, it can result"

                  In high crime rates, high rates of teen pregnancy, high rates of high school dropouts, high illiteracy rates, high gang membership rates, high juvenile delinquency... The list just keeps going on. And want to know a few of the policies that contributed to this? The welfare state is #1. Affirmative Action. Subsidized housing and rent controls. Minimum wage laws. Subsidized meals at schools. And look into who passes these laws. It is predominantly Progressive Democrats.

                  "I in no way see our society as falling into chaos."

                  Then to be quite blunt, you need to open your eyes. We have a national debt over $20 trillion - more than our entire annual GDP - with unfunded liabilities over $100 trillion. The Federal Reserve lists consumer debt at another staggering $13 trillion (https://www.newyorkfed.org/microecono.... Most of our industry has moved off our shores, meaning that we are dependent on other nations for basics like steel and even circuit boards for military hardware. Our prisons are overflowing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarce.... Our rate of illiteracy - especially in math and science - is growing despite funneling more money than ever into our education system. The rest of the world isn't much better. Europe is either going to bankrupt itself because of their social spending, or get overrun by immigrants who have zero desire to adopt European cultures. Africa is a war-torn mess and not getting better. Russia, China, and North Korea are growing more and more belligerent and held in check only by a strong US President's rhetoric. And the Middle East is about to descend into partisan Islamic civil war.

                  I don't mean to be apocalyptic, but we are one step from falling off a cliff. And it's a long way down - for all of humanity.
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years ago
                    " It is predominantly Progressive Democrats."
                    Below even though it sounds simplistic (to me), all of these social problems you describe can be traced back to progressive Democrats. If progressive Democrats, voters and politicians, dropped out of the political process altogether, how much would the problems improve?
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years ago
                    Helping people doesn't always result in teen pregnancy and the other social problems you mention. You list a bunch of policies like subsidizing meals for poor kids, and it's hard for me to see that all of them lead to social problems. I find it laughably simplistic to blame them on one group of people, e.g. progressive Democrats. But I don't have a solution to the world's social problem either.

                    Other problems you characterize as chaos
                    National Debt - A huge looming problem. I'm convinced we only fix it when it becomes a crisis even though it would be simple to fix before the crisis. Just freezing gov't spending at current levels would help.
                    Foreign Trade - Trade creates value. It allows producers to focus on what they're good at. Nations being interdependent reduces the risk of wars. National borders are almost like state borders when I was a kid. I send value across them for free and visit foreign colleagues without giving it much thought. The world is getting smaller.
                    Prisons - It is embarrassing for a country that prides itself on freedom to have > 5% of its citizens under the supervision of the criminal justice system, mostly for non-violent crimes.
                    Illiteracy - I think that's over-stated. I don't think people are more illiterate than they were in the past or that other countries are all more educatied.
                    Europe being overrun - My colleagues there still develop cool technologies. I go jogging for exercise in Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, England, and Iceland, and I don't see obvious problems that different from what we have here in my corner of the world.
                    Africa is a war-torn mess - It's a large continent, but trade as brought more opportunities. Its used to be Africa was mostly "poor countries". There still are a lot of poor people, but many people there are now making money.
                    Russia - I'm not sure what to think about Russia. I think their gov't is a greater threat than we realize because they have so many nuclear weapons.
                    China - I think they're so dependent on trade that they won't be a military threat. I think they'll liberalize because freedom and openness deliver the goods.
                    North Korea - They're the most insane country imaginable. I don't think they'll deploy a nuclear weapon or relinquish their nuclear weapons no matter what other countries do. I am surprised they're absolute totalitarian system has lasted as long as it as. I do not think they listen to foreign leader's rhetoric as much as you might think. I think their focus on is on keeping their entire population under the ruling party's thumb.
                    Middle East - There's been conflict in the Middle East all my life. I don't see current conditions as unusual.

                    " it's a long way down - for all of humanity."
                    That's true, but it's another way of saying humankind has made a level of progress that would be unthinkable to people who came before us.
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                    • Posted by $ blarman 6 years ago
                      "Helping people doesn't always result in teen pregnancy and the other social problems you mention."

                      I think the fundamental misunderstanding is what actually comprises "help". It is not help to create long-term dependence, which is what many of these policies and programs are specifically designed to do! Take the welfare state and the phenomenon of wage traps wherein a person moving up an income bracket then actually is forced to pay more in taxes, receive less in aid, and as a result despite making more money is less well off! That is a specific design consideration of the system and its intent is to trap people into long-term dependency. The same with removing the work requirement for welfare recipients, among many others.

                      "You list a bunch of policies like subsidizing meals for poor kids, and it's hard for me to see that all of them lead to social problems."

                      I see them. I live in a neighborhood filled with "poor" people (having been to other nations, I laugh when anyone calls an American poor). My kids go to public school with many other children who take advantage of free breakfast at school, reduced prices for school lunches, etc. What is interesting is that these very same students are the worst achievers and the biggest disciplinary problems in the school because they take everything for granted: they don't have to work for what they earn. It is a very real problem that - although it may not stem from this particular policy - is exacerbated by it. I can cite other examples or better, refer you to Thomas Sowell's economic analysis on any one of them.

                      "I find it laughably simplistic to blame them on one group of people, e.g. progressive Democrats."

                      It is both laughable and simple - and completely justified. Look up the history of any of these programs. They were instituted by Democrats nearly without exception. LBJ bragged about how the institution of the Great Society would make every black a Democratic voter for generations to come!

                      National Debt - If $20 trillion in current debt and more than $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities isn't a crisis, give me come numbers at which the situation will become serious.

                      "Foreign Trade ... Nations being interdependent reduces the risk of wars." Only when both nations still need each other. If we're not selling anything to China, who is beholden to whom on trade?

                      "Prisons .. mostly for non-violent crimes." - According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics (https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&t..., "More than three-fourths of felony defendants had a prior arrest history, with 69% having multiple prior arrests." Our problem isn't the type of crime committed, but the fact that the criminals keep committing them!

                      Illiteracy - Even the Huffington Post had this to say about illiteracy (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...) "The link between academic failure and delinquency, violence, and crime is welded to reading failure. The stats back up this claim: 85 percent of all juveniles who interface with the juvenile court system are functionally illiterate, and over 70 percent of inmates in America’s prisons cannot read above a fourth grade level, according to BeginToRead.com."
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                      • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years ago
                        "give me come numbers at which the [national debt] situation will become serious."
                        10 years ago. I think we have been lucky that there has not been another crisis related to debt.
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                        • Posted by $ 6 years ago
                          IT is coming, they have been massaging and lieing to cover it up, and all the major economies have a stake in doing so because all are leveraged at 100% or greater. The bond market is going to explode soon...
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    • Posted by evlwhtguy 6 years ago
      " It seems surprising to me intuitively that a sand bag could kill a healthy passenger."
      Think about the physics of it. Say the sandbag is 20 pounds. the car is going 55 MPH.....plus the sand bag is accelerating downward from being dropped. I do not have a good enough grasp of algebra to calculate the foot pounds of energy....But I guarantee that it exceeds the energy of a high powered rifle bullet. These "Children" are vicious thugs and an example needs to be made of them. At least the older kids...who are likely the instigators will be tried as adults. Every one of the younger ones needs 30 days in Juvie as a warning to everyone not to hang out with scumbags.
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