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The ‘Deep State’ Is Real — and Dangerous — Paul Says

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"John Brennan and James Clapper were doing whatever the hell they wanted, without any judicial warrants, and I think there were numerous people in the Obama administration who were using intelligence — one, to try to bring Trump down; but two, also, they were using it for political purposes," he said. "And this is very, very worrisome." Rand Paul
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    Posted by  $  kddr22 2 months ago
    "We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion:the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases while the citizens may act only by permission:which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force." Ayn Rand
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    • Posted by Jstork 1 month, 4 weeks ago
      So true. Up in Canada many you are not allowed to "import" more than a small amount of alcohol or tobacco from other provinces if any. The laws are only getting tighter. Don't get me going on taxes and the use of our tax dollars. It is right out of "Atlas Shrugged."
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  • Posted by mia767ca 2 months ago
    this is what you get with anti-rational, anti-reason, anti-logic society...the beginnings of the totalitarian state...
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    • Posted by Solver 2 months ago
      Highly charged emotion is an extremely effective tool in getting useful idiot forces to rally for quick short term gratification.
      Logic and reason just don’t seem to be as strong any more. Can anyone say, “public schooling?”
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      • Posted by mia767ca 2 months ago
        public schooling...govt schooling...all the same...only goal is to produce "loyal citizen"
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        • Posted by LibertyBelle 1 month, 4 weeks ago
          Somebody was in the Richmond Library the other Tuesday. She had written a book, Lower Ed, about "for-profit" schools and saying they cheat students. I believe that all right, but I think public schools are even worse. And I said to her and everybody else listening that I thought public schools should be abolished, except for military technical training and police academies, and that it would be better if employers simply took apprentices and trained their own. And I also proposed starting a private "Better Business Bureau' for education, to check up on schools.
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  • Posted by ycandrea 2 months ago
    There are people outside of Congress that pull the strings of the puppet Congress. These people use the hate and the egos and the prejudices of Congress to get what they want.
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  • Posted by chad 2 months ago
    Oversight committees of elected officials is meaningless if it is expected it will provide protection of citizens against an over zealous state. Committee: "What are you doing?"
    Bureaucracy: "Nothing."
    Committee: "Can we have a cut?"
    Bureaucracy: "Sure."
    The only way to ensure behavior that does not encroach on any freedom is to not have any 'authorized' department that can take it away. Don't try to fix the Department of Education or give it direction by appointing a 'conservative' administrator. Eliminate it.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 2 months ago
    What we have is an uncontrolled, unelected bureaucracy, with not just survival, but utter, selfish self interest as their driving motivation. Like any corrupt entity, they engage in paranoid recognition that they would hang anyone else exercising power in the manner they do, and set about to destroy anyone who might hold them accountable.

    The team of corrupt entities include members of the legal profession, who being aware of how far activist judges will bend the statutes in their favor, throw all legal principles out the window in pursuit of their political opposition. This isn't a swamp, but a sewer that needs serious cleaning.
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  • Posted by  $  allosaur 2 months ago
    Methinks our Republic first began to erode into a so-called one of those a long, long time ago when an elected official Sent To Serve The People at our nation's capital came to the realization: "Hey, I can make a career out of this."
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    • Posted by rhfinle 2 months ago
      “The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
      To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
      To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”

      ― Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe

      I think this applies to all political positions. Legislators should be drafted, with fatal consequences if they screw up.
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      • Posted by  $  blarman 2 months ago
        Someone once floated the idea of randomly picking someone out of a phonebook for jobs like local city council, etc. It seems like it may be at least as good a system as the corrupt one we have now...
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    • Posted by LibertyBelle 1 month, 4 weeks ago
      i think Jefferson made a grave mistake in starting the University of Virginia, because it is a government school. He said he had sworn "eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Apparently he did not realize that, in starting UVA, he was promoting the same thing.
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  • Posted by  $  Stormi 2 months ago
    Obama and his hired help misused their power on an almost daily bais, band taxpayer dollars. Yes, he spied on Trump, he initiated the first FISA request, which was denied, as it stated Trump as target. how many foreign elections did he send people to influence? He used the office as his personal toy chest, with total disregard for the people footing the cost, black or white, no matter. Then he let in Soros, who is one of the major manipulators of people internationally, and a Fascist Hitler helper. Pelosi is in the same clique. They allow Big Pharma to keep cures for diseases from getting to the market, as treatment is more profitable. They use global warming, knwoing full well it does not exist, but it allows for more control of people. Deep State is real and rotten to the core.
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  • Posted by  $  puzzlelady 2 months ago
    The Deep State is deep, and deeper than we can know. It is very old, and impregnable. It is not even clear whether they are the good or bad guys. How do we even define what is bad? How do we know what ideas they have planted in us, even our ideas about them? Are they always successful? If their goal is social engineering of the whole human race, rather than achieving only their own self-interest, surely they have failed miserably many times throughout history. Two steps forward, one step back. How many individuals are there who pull the strings, ever invisible and unknown? Enough to be a critical mass. Like a black hole that holds and moves a galaxy. they pull all human endeavors into their orbit. Isaac Asimov's science fiction classic "Foundation" had a similar notion. So just sit back and watch.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 2 months ago
    When you say to yourself, "This doesn't make any sense, unless....."then you know you've just bumped up against what Rand Paul describes as the "deep state" the people who really run things or cause them to run. The first real glitch in their plans was putting Hillary up for president. The thing they failed to take into account is that they bought into their own propaganda. She is not the smartest of woman, sly, yes, smart, no. She's dumb as a box of rocks. Everything she's tried has failed. She doesn't know how to implement. She lies even when she doesn't need to. The election was pre-won, bought and paid for. She only lost through her own stupid actions. If it hadn't been for slick Willy, she'd currently be abscounding with the PTA funds and safely put away in jail where she will be preyed upon instead of preying on others. When Hillary went into self-destruct mode, Trump immediately saw the chink in the armor and set about spreading it open. He acted exactly opposed to her presentations, and the people, Suffering from the aridity of business as usual lapped up the Trumpisms like water from a mountain spring. But Trump is not deep state. They hate him more than Boubonic plague. Unfortunately he is too little too late. We've handed the USA over to the enemy many years ago in the '30's.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 2 months ago
    If the Gulch can't be created, then an uprising, aka Revolution maybe the only alternative of destroying the Deep State. Or, maybe secession if there are some very smart and shrewd governors who see that the federal gov't is turning into a Orwellian monster.
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    • Posted by 2 months ago
      The media and federal police would act with force to destroy any resistance to federal slavery. Anyone who has risen to a governorship will not risk his fiefdom (and his life) for the little people. I think the only realistic and legal action open to the people is a consumer strike. Of course, as soon as enough people restrict their consumption to necessities, the con-gress will likely pass a law making it illegal to keep any savings, and confiscation of firearms will be the next step.
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  • Posted by wiggys 2 months ago
    when i read only 8 people in congress know what they are doing i stopped reading. that is a contradiction, as far as i am concerned there is not ONE person in congress that knows what he/she is doing.
    in reality what ever the the bad guys are doing it does not affect us little people.
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    • Posted by 2 months ago
      "in reality what ever the the bad guys are doing it does not affect us little people." ???
      Did I misunderstand you?
      You think the actions of congress do NOT affect the rest of us?
      You think Obamacare doesn't affect us?
      You think the IRS doesn't affect us?
      You think the federal reserve banking cartel doesn't affect us?
      You think that that Desert Storm, Afghanistan "police actions" etc etc doesn't affect us?
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      • Posted by wiggys 2 months ago
        maybe our difference in age is why i look at their actions as non-sense. all of the subjects you reference don't effect in reality. they in dc are out to get each other.
        so just get up each morning and concentrate on doing with your life what you want to do.
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        • Posted by 2 months ago
          No idea of your age. I disagree on every point you stated in this particular post.
          I think con-gress critters know exactly the crimes they are committing, that they do it with purpose, and that those actions change our reality and destroy our liberty. They affect us enormously and we must act to stop them.
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  • Posted by Andy 2 months ago
    Why don't politicians have powers over unelected national security people? How do we get them more power?
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    • Posted by  $  Your_Name_Goes_Here 2 months ago
      Politicians do not need more power. They, and the unelected national security people you speak of, need MUCH LESS power. Otherwise we end up living in an environment much like Ayn Rand described in Atlas Shrugged.
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      • Posted by 2 months ago
        Agree completely.
        We must remove our financial support to reduce federal government power. Ideally, that would be via our elected reps and judges doing their jobs: declare the 16th amendment unconstitutional and repeal the federal reserve act.
        But the corrupt pols and judges have no ethics and are chasing power for themselves, so our only peaceful, legal choice is to collapse their system via a consumer strike.
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