The Good Old Days Of Budgeting Are Dead And Gone

Posted by $ allosaur 6 years ago to Government
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Back in the good ole' days before Big Brother (our "representative" career politicians aka The Swamp) went and broke what's supposed to be We The People's government, here is how the legislative process worked, according to the linked article~

Freakin' Step 1
Congress approved a budget, a blueprint of how
money would be spent during the year.

Freakin' Step 2
Congress authorized spending on existing programs whose authorization had run out.

Freakin' Step 3
Congress approved 11 or 12 appropriation bills at one time, with appropriators carefully considering a reasonable level of spending for each category, members voting up and down on each one, approving those they agree with, opposing those they thought spent too much or too little.

Yep, those were the good ole' days. Today?
Budget? What's a budget? We don't need no stinkin' budget!
Hey, guys, for this here Omnibus Bill, let's float a loan to get DACA off the ground. What? You Jackass Partiers don't want no stinkin' DACA either? Why?
Ah, leverage to keep the wall from being built while you can keep calling Trump a racist. Okay.
Oh, guess y'all don't know there's a dinky so-called "down payment" on the wall in the bill.
Oh, you haven't read the bill. That's okay too.
Few if any of us have read all 2,000 pages with that threat deadline of a government shutdown looming over our swampy career politician heads..
Yeah, yeah, yeah! Let's hurry, hurry, hurry! Let's hurry up and pass this big bill to see what's in it .
Wheee! Hell's bells shotgun shells! Let's all hitch a ride on this Brave New World Banana Republic Express!
Yeehaw! Ha! Ha! Ha!
I don't give a damn! My earmarks are in a jam!
Why think debit when we've got credit?
How can we crash and burn, baby? How can we crash and burn? We're the elite with nuthin' left to learn!
Wheeeeeeeeee!
Cray havoc and let loose the national debt!
Thar she blows!~http://www.usdebtclock.org/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3edi2...
SOURCE URL: http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/380304-the-good-old-days-of-budgeting-are-dead-and-gone


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  • Posted by chad 6 years ago
    Since every dollar in a fiat currency system is borrowed there is no way to balance the budge or pay off the debt. If the debt was paid off there would be no currency in circulation and the interest would still be owed. A fiat currency system allows the payment of the interest (all money collected in taxation) and the only way to spend on even current programs is to then borrow (deficit spend) more to keep the Ponzi scheme going, buying votes and pretending to run the economy for the benefit of the individual citizen.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 6 years ago
    We need a line-item veto. Since the Supreme court has ruled it unconstitutional it will have to be a constitutional amendment but it's the only way to reasonably manage omnibus bills.
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    • Posted by term2 6 years ago
      No politician who wants to be re-elected would veto any increase in government spending.
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      • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 6 years ago
        Sure they would if they could just veto the spending that the 'other' party wanted. There are the things the Republicans want to spend money on and the things the Democrats want to spend money on. They 'compromise' by spending money on both of them.

        When the Republicans, as part of Gingrich's revolution gave Clinton a line item veto, he got out his pen and started using it. One article I found had him canceling 38 military construction projects for a total of $287 million. It was challenged and the Supreme Court 6-3 said that it was unconstitutional.
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        • Posted by term2 6 years ago
          As I thought. Politicians on both sides just vote YES for their own stuff, and in the end ALL of the spending bills pretty much get approved as "compromises"
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    • Posted by $ 6 years ago
      We also need term limits but me dino doubts that will ever happen.
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      • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 6 years ago
        I'm not sure. Term limits might simply give the "deep state" more power since they will be the only ones who've been around a long time.

        We need to revisit the civil service laws. We don't want to go to the bad old days when all the government jobs were political prizes to be given out but we also need accountability to elected leadership.
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        • Posted by $ 6 years ago
          IMO, me dino thinks the Deep State and The Swamp (that would include the RINO career politicians) are intertwined.
          The above and below the table Jackasses are definitely working together.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 6 years ago
    Budgeting should be taken out of he hands of congress who have proven that they cannot handle the responseability. It should be turned over to a firm of accountants who have proven their ability to keep spending within sane limits. Their word should be law. The older the accountants, the better.At present there are no people in Washington who know how to control spending. Ony Scots and Jews are allowed to be the accountants. I know, I'll be castigated for that, but at the bottom of every legend often lies the truth.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years ago
      Yes, Herb, you must be castigated, for you have been hurtful particularly to my quarter Irish ancestry.
      https://www.google.com/search?q=Irish...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kuu3...
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      • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 12 months ago
        I can whine louder about my ancestry than you can about yours. When my DNA test came back, it said 97% European Jew. Not only disappointing , but Boring.
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        • Posted by Dobrien 5 years, 12 months ago
          DNA can reveal your religion? Maybe the other 3% is Zoroastrian. Although I have read that many
          many folks are descendants of Attila.
          I answer my own Queery Is Judaism more than a religion? Is there a jewish Gene?

          Ethnic groups who marry among themselves for generations are genetically "linked". It is scientifically undisputed that there are genetic patterns that occur frequently in Jews. Jews have developed over the centuries a certain degree of genetic homogeneity that becomes visible in a DNA-test.

          The Jewish People, however, is not entirely genetically seperable. So no test can give you an unambiguous proof. Nevertheless a genealogical DNA test can confirm a Jewish origin.

          Even if you don't belong to one of the typical Jewish haplogroups, you could still have Jewish roots. By comparing your DNA-Profile with all other profiles in our databank (over 700.000), you will find persons whose profiles are genetically similar to yours ("genetic cousins"). If many of your genetic cousins are Jews, then there is a high probability that you have Jewish roots, too.
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        • Posted by $ 5 years, 12 months ago
          Laughing. Me dino ain't got a thing against Jews or Scots either. The rest of me is half Swedish and a mutt quarter with roots to Acadians kicked out of Canada by the Brits.
          The cool Acadians went to Louisiana to become Cajuns.
          My mutt quarter settled in New England on my mother's side, she and my American born full-blooded Swede dad moving to Alabama when I was four.
          My mom's dad did look like a Frenchman roughly similar to DeGaulle and her mom had a bit of an Irish accent.
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      • Posted by Dobrien 5 years, 12 months ago
        ILM Irish lives Matter. Please send donations to
        The bottom of the rainbows.
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        • Posted by $ 5 years, 12 months ago
          SLM Swedish Lives Matter aka BLM Blockhead (not Black) Lives Matter more, you racist.
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          • Posted by Dobrien 5 years, 12 months ago
            Ok ok lutefisk for every home. Be careful what you wish for.
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            • Posted by $ 5 years, 12 months ago
              Me dino never ate anything that looked like this~
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutefis...
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              • Posted by Dobrien 5 years, 12 months ago
                We are Surrounded by Swedes in Minnesota .
                The home of Ole and Lena jokes.Example
                Ole was talking with his brother Sven, who lived next door, when Sven said, "Ya know Ole, you and Lena should really get some new curtains."
                "Vhy's dat?" Ole asked.
                "Vel last night I saw you and Lena, vel you know..."
                Ole thought for awhile, then said, "Ha-ha Sven, da jokes on you! I vasn't even home last night!"
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                • Posted by $ 5 years, 12 months ago
                  LOL! Good one. Never heard of Ole and Lena jokes.
                  My French-Irish mom did all the cooking in Alabama. I can't even recall Dad grilling a steak, though he did teach me how to clean fish at that lake you know about.
                  Just before I clicked on Reply, me dino thought to see what I've been missing for being dragged south. Well, I WAS dragged south from Massachusetts, so I may have missed out anyways.
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ole_and...
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                  • Posted by Dobrien 5 years, 12 months ago
                    My pal John Swanson's grandpa was 1st generation Swede he would always say Over zee boats GE divin . When casting his lure .This is classic joke told when fishing.....Ole and Sven were fishing when Sven pulled out a cigar but didn't have a lighter so he asked Ole for a light. "Ya, shure, I tink I haff a lighter", he replied. He reached into his tackle box and pulled out a 12-inch BIC lighter. "Yiminy Cricket!" exclaimed Sven, "Vhere did yew get dat monster?" "Vell", replied Ole, "I got it from my Genie". "You haff a genie?" Sven asked. "Ya, shure, he's right here in my tackle box", said Ole. "Could I see him?" Ole opens his tackle box and out pops the genie.

                    The friend says, "Hey Dere! I'm a good friend of your master.Vill you grant me vun vish?" "Yes I will", the genie said. So Sven asks him for a million bucks and the genie hops back into the tackle box and leaves Sven standing there waiting for his million bucks. Suddenly the sky begins to darken and the sound of million ducks flying overhead is heard. Sven yells to Ole, "I asked for a million bucks - not ducks!" Ole answers, "Ya, I forgot to tell yew, da genie is hard of hearing. Do you really tink I asked him for a 12-inch BIC?
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  • Posted by $ blarman 6 years ago
    I have been long considering what could be done to control the spending and I would suggest the following:

    1. The total spending amount is capped at the total tax receipts from two years prior - including debt service and interest payments on debt. (No deficit spending is allowed.)
    2. Every bill put before Congress must be read out loud in its entirety on the Floor in open/public session before it may be voted on. (No more 2000-page spending bills laden with pork.)
    3. Though the salaries of members of Congress (House and Senate) are set by Constitutional amendment, those salaries and the salaries and benefits of all members of Congress and their respective Staffs are paid for and subject to audit by their individual States. Also included in this are all provision for living arrangements, travel, offices, supplies, etc.
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  • Posted by term2 6 years ago
    Trump is there to slow down socialis, in the usa for a few years. That said, he didnt get repeal Obamacare, he just tried to repeal and replace it. Of course that failed- why would he come up with a replacement government run plan that would work any better than Obama's ?

    He should havent signed a spending bill that required deficit spending, period. The whole idea that it gave money to more military power (which we only need to show off and exert influence in places we shouldnt be in anyway) is faulty, especially when it also gives huge amounts to domestic giveaways the liberals want. No one is really talking about how much and where the domestic spending is allocated- totally quiet.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 6 years ago
      I agree, term. It could be that Trump is gathering allies that he needs for the rooting out of the festering cancer in DC. The defense "industry" make very potent allies and fearsome enemies. Can Trump convince them that there is more profit and the opportunity to act ethically as his ally?
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      • Posted by term2 6 years ago
        but thieves are only interested in booty when it is offered. they would only be allies if he offered more and more booty
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        • Posted by freedomforall 6 years ago
          Unless someone can see the advantage of returning to a free market and expanding into space exploration and colonization instead of business as usual (killing masses of people.)
          I know it is a miniscule, likely forlorn, hope.
          I still think a consumer strike is our best chance to force a return to free markets and liberty.
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          • Posted by term2 6 years ago
            totally agree. also a producer strike. I got out of making medical equipment because I tired of the regulations of the FDA. As regulations get more and more onerous, more producers will quit making the products that are under those regulations. Today I make unregulated off road lighting using LEDS. The day that becomes regulated I will probably exit this business
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  • Posted by BCRinFremont 5 years, 12 months ago
    To paraphrase Austin Powers’ father, “If there’s one thing I can’t stand, it’s people who can not tolerate another person’s culture...and the Dutch.”
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years ago
    I naively don't understand why we can't bring back "the super committee" to come up with a plan and a fiscal cliff of spending cuts and tax increases if the bipartisan committee can't come to a deal.
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