Hmmm. Long time FBI informant was father of Orlando nightclub attacker.

Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 1 month ago to History
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FBI Special Agent Juvenal Martin
Martin said he considered grooming the younger Mateen as a confidential informant for the bureau after the investigation concluded.
SOURCE URL: https://www.thedailybeast.com/pulse-gunmans-dad-was-fbi-informant-court-documents-show


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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 1 month ago
    Don't FBI informants usually have a connection to crimes? Is it all that surprising that a muslim family, used be the FBI, end up killing a whole lot of people...isn't there something in the koran commanding them to get involved in such things?
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    • Posted by 6 years, 1 month ago
      Strange that 2 horrible mass shootings in Florida
      have the FBI ignoring warnings that the supposed shooters were talking about causing carnage.
      Right after the shooting FBI director Comey said they will review FBI procedures 'but it looks like they did everything right" He never mentioned the previous investigation or the claims the shooter made that he was part of the Muslim brotherhood when he threatened to shoot up his work place.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 1 month ago
    I don't think that fact would work in a fictional account. Do you get the feeling that the world is turning into a Dean Koontz novel?
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    • Posted by 6 years ago
      It is sad it is not fiction my friend. An Investigative journalist Has just published "Killing the Deep State the fight to save President Trump"
      blows the lid off of the conspiracy to destroy the Trump presidency. Written by Dr Jerome Corsi
      Corsi shows how the this shadow government operates secretly with the willing cooperation of a corporate owned and government controlled Mainstream media.
      $22 inc shipping from Amazon. Or better request it at the library
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 6 years, 1 month ago
    We are a few years away of a total repeal of the 2nd Amendment. This will be the beginning of an uncontrollable death spiral.
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    • Posted by 6 years, 1 month ago
      Were you aware of this law?

      DICK ACT of 1902 - CAN'T BE REPEALED (GUN CONTROL FORBIDDEN) - Protection Against Tyrannical Government

      It would appear that the administration is counting on the fact that the American Citizens don't know this, their rights and the constitution. Don't prove them right.

      The Dick Act of 1902 also known as the Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654, of June 28, 1902 invalidates all so-called gun-control laws.

      It also divides the militia into three distinct and separate entities.

      SPREAD THIS TO EVERYONE

      The three classes H.R. 11654 provides for are the organized militia, henceforth known as the National Guard of the State, Territory and District of Columbia, the unorganized militia and the regular army.

      The militia encompasses every able-bodied male between the ages of 18 and 45. All members of the unorganized militia have the absolute personal right and 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms of any type, and as many as they can afford to buy.

      The Dick Act of 1902 cannot be repealed; to do so would violate bills of attainder and ex post facto laws which would be yet another gross violation of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The President of the United States has zero authority without violating the Constitution to call the National Guard to serve outside of their State borders.

      The National Guard Militia can only be required by the National Government for limited purposes specified in the Constitution (to uphold the laws of the Union; to suppress insurrection and repel invasion). These are the only purposes for which the General Government can call upon the National Guard.

      Sources:https://www.loc.gov/item/96190993/



      Get this message out to all your email contacts. It's time to learn about your rights.
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    • Posted by exceller 6 years ago
      No, it would not be. Is this only your "2 cent wisdom" or you have anything more substantial to back it up?
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 6 years ago
        I'm being "Eyore". I think bad legislation will pass after all these school shootings, and if we are lucky SCOTUS will overturn them. A few more, and I don't doubts the votes of an Amendment will come through.
        It is very hard to image this lasting another 20 years.
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  • Posted by NealS 6 years, 1 month ago
    The truth, as I know it, all the rest seems to be nonsense. How can we expect anything to work if we refuse to listen to the truth?
    https://youtu.be/WaUaUudFk0E
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    • Posted by 6 years, 1 month ago
      It is an attack on the 2 nd amendment from all fronts. Don't ignore the manipulation.
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      • Posted by $ Stormi 6 years, 1 month ago
        Right on the mark! Especiall if the FBI is involved. Obama promised the UN a gun ban, but faiied. His FBI was involved online with the Columbine shooters prior to the attacks. Then, one showed up at the shooter's house, sent his mom from the room, and said he wanted to recruit him, prior to any supposed shooting. It seems the FBI are either there before the events, or fail to respond to warnings of possible upcoming events. Very strange! The swamp wants our guns, better to control us. Even the Colo. theater shooter was in a summer CIA brainwashing experiment. It has been about guns since Columbine, but not as the naive students stupidly think.
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        • Posted by NealS 6 years, 1 month ago
          Those we pay to protect us have only turned against us. They act like that TV ad where the guy is in the dentist chair, they only point out the problems and watch for potential incidents, but actually do nothing about them. It appears everyone has a specific agenda today. It's unfortunate the "right" doesn't have the fortitude and blind following to demonstrate, yell and scream the truth, like the "left" does the lies and rhetoric.
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          • Posted by $ Stormi 6 years, 1 month ago
            The unwillingness of the conservatives to stand up for what they believe has long irritated me. Of course, how many administrations have been actually for gun control, it did not start with Obama, he was just the worst. Bush, Clinton, how far back have either the Marxists or the one world bunch all wnated us disarmed. Then the UN with their statue of the twisted handgun, wanting not jjust guns, but private property and capiltalism gone.
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            • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 1 month ago
              Barry Goldwater was the last conservative that had high standing in either party.

              "Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed."

              "Small men, seeking great wealth or power, have too often and too long turned even the highest levels of public service into mere personal opportunity."

              "A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have."

              "I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed in their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is "needed" before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible."

              "The income tax created more criminals than any other single act of government."

              "Equality, rightly understood as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences; wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism."

              "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

              "My faith in the future rests squarely on the belief that man, if he doesn't first destroy himself, will find new answers in the universe, new technologies, new disciplines, which will contribute to a vastly different and better world in the twenty-first century. Recalling what has happened in my short lifetime in the fields of communication and transportation and the life sciences, I marvel at the pessimists who tell us that we have reached the end of our productive capacity, who project a future of primarily dividing up what we now have and making do with less. To my mind the single essential element on which all discoveries will be dependent is human freedom."
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  • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 1 month ago
    What does the evidence show? The rest is BS posturing by lawyers and media repeating irrelevant rubbish.
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    • Posted by 6 years, 1 month ago
      The shooter died at the scene. He was investigated by the FBI in advance of this event, for making terroristic threats in his former workplace.The FBI determined he wasn't a threat and the Agent considered Grooming him.
      I don't think the agent was talking about a haircut and a shave.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 1 month ago
        And the trial is of his wife as an accomplice. So is there evidence against her or not? If so, then get on with the damn trial (and tell her lawyers to stay away from the press or be held in contempt. I think all lawyers are contemptuous.;^) If no evidence then let her go. The rest is just BS posturing unless there is a case against someone else.
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        • Posted by 6 years, 1 month ago
          RI really know nothing about the case other than another instance of a mass shooter who was referred to the FBI in advance .i struggle with these coincidences you will find this curious.
          A video made during the shooting (?) by who?
          https://youtu.be/gZVioBDjFeM
          David Miles Hogg is an American student who survived the massacre of the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting on February 14, 2018, and afterward became a gun control advocate and an activist against gun violence in the United States.
          It is worth reminding you that David Hogg’s father was a “crisis simulator” in the FBI, David Hogg’s mother is an anti-Trump activist, But the media will continue to promote this irrelevant, alt-left funded, theater-trained child, anyway.
          https://youtu.be/RIRNURx1-3E
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          • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 1 month ago
            And even if there is no political support behind the video, the video is done by ignorant children who have no idea what they are talking about. Reminds me of liberals.
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            • Posted by 6 years, 1 month ago
              I am pretty sure you didn't listen to the 1 st video that he made while the shooting was occurring and while they are ducking for cover they are railing about gun control. It stinks of manipulation or worse. Oh yes and he names Nicholas Cruz as the shooter. Really weird he would know that during the event.
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