Question for you regarding Altruism
Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 11 months ago to Philosophy
We've had a totally voluntary military for about 40 years now.
The ultimate altruistic act would be to willingly give one's life for others.
We've had several periods of conflict over those 40 years.
How do Objectivists view those who volunteer for the military? Especially the Army and Marines who have been the brunt of the casualties in the past 40 years.
Isn't volunteering for something that might result in the ultimate sacrifice, one's own life, for the benefit of others, the ultimate form of altruism?
Should those who volunteer for the military be admired, or vilified?
The ultimate altruistic act would be to willingly give one's life for others.
We've had several periods of conflict over those 40 years.
How do Objectivists view those who volunteer for the military? Especially the Army and Marines who have been the brunt of the casualties in the past 40 years.
Isn't volunteering for something that might result in the ultimate sacrifice, one's own life, for the benefit of others, the ultimate form of altruism?
Should those who volunteer for the military be admired, or vilified?
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This is not a one single firm answer from the collective mind type question. It's all about the individual and what each person values.
Do you consider yourself an Objectivist?
So, a nation of such people that exists in a world of other beliefs would need to maintain a countervailing force to protect itself from the initiation of force by others (am I correct here? Or do you believe that such a force could only be assembled after being aggressed upon?). It is in the personal interest of each citizen to have such a force, is it not, as it protects the liberty of all?
Since such a force must be comprised of somebody, and it is in the personal interest of each individual, is it not logical that each individual should agree voluntarily to perform this activity? It is in their interest to do so.
If none chose to do so, wouldn't that open up all to the application of aggression by outside forces?
People aren't all the same. Even given the same situation and using their rational minds, they can come to different conclusions, don't you agree?
Do you consider yourself an Objectivist? If not, then you probably cannot answer my queries. If so, the issue is with your statement that you did it for "something you believe in." That is not objective, it is subjective. I cannot observe, touch, test, measure what you "believe in." I thought that was anti-thetical to Objectivism. I'm trying to rectify that inconsistency.
I feel sorry for modern and future soldiers, in a military where PC inclusiveness and "feelings" matter more than winning wars.
"What is the moral code of altruism? The basic principle of altruism is that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that service to others is the only justification of his existence, and that self-sacrifice is his highest moral duty, virtue and value.
Do not confuse altruism with kindness, good will or respect for the rights of others. These are not primaries, but consequences, which, in fact, altruism makes impossible. The irreducible primary of altruism, the basic absolute, is self-sacrifice—which means; self-immolation, self-abnegation, self-denial, self-destruction—which means: the self as a standard of evil, the selfless as a standard of the good.
Do not hide behind such superficialities as whether you should or should not give a dime to a beggar. That is not the issue. The issue is whether you do or do not have the right to exist without giving him that dime. The issue is whether you must keep buying your life, dime by dime, from any beggar who might choose to approach you. The issue is whether the need of others is the first mortgage on your life and the moral purpose of your existence. The issue is whether man is to be regarded as a sacrificial animal. Any man of self-esteem will answer: “No.” Altruism says: “Yes.” '-AR, Philosophy Who Needs It?
Is it altruistic to defend and protect the country that guarantees your freedoms?
I can assume by your confusion you haven't served. If you did, I would be surprised (shocked?) by not understanding that simple trade off.
I love my country and what it stood for. If its that part you don't understand, then we have no common ground to talk about.
On top of that, I got a multifaceted education, hands-on (and nerve wracking) leadership and decision making experience I wouldn't see in civilian life for many years. And it turned me from a no-account immature naïve person to someone who could stand up for her beliefs, convictions, and values, who could think under fire and make decisions impacting lives - and continue on.
You can't *buy* that at any cost, except by trading something of equal value.
Nothing "altruistic" in that at all. I did it for me, and for my home, family, and nation. I think - no, I *KNOW* - I came out way ahead on the deal.
Like I said... if you haven't been there, you can't understand.
People ignore the filter perception at their own peril.
The world is a messy place and you have to make judgments continually. You make that judgment using the best facts you have and your own reasoning and perception.
This is one of the areas where schools are really sticking it to the students. Teaching people to never judge anything is basically teaching them to never think for themselves either.
Objectivism fits me very well, so in that respect I would consider myself one, if you force me to self label.
Are there areas of friction between Objectivism and my personality? Yes
If I am required to be 100% in line with every tenet of Objectivism I guess the OI would say I am not.
I am not an atheist, so if that is your criteria of exclusion then I am not an Objectivist.
Some here would "shun" me on that basis, some would not.
For some, that is their altruistic purpose. For others it the free education, room, board and training. For others it is what their step-father demands. For others they want to fly a fighter jet. For others...
It is all about the individual.
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