I have to say that Black Lives Don't Matter to me in particular. Police shouldnt kill people indiscrimminately period. And to target certain groups to be killed is just wrong.

the reason we call them students is that they are ignorant and need to learn. Obviously, they arent learning in our current schools. If I had kids, I wouldnt send them to public schools (or any school where liberal stuff is taught).

One day in high school I was in with the "in school suspension" kids because I was one of only a few who didn't want to go on a class trip that violated my principles.

If you notice - the Black Lives Matter violent and destructive protests ended promptly when Trump was inaugurated. The left needed new stooges.. apparently children now.

Sad that only reads the Constitution.

Fascists

Very good advice ! :)

No, never give up, sometimes you just have to accept and move on, but I always want to try to make them think "why" they believe what they believe. Justify your logic and position before you start preaching to me. That is the flaw in most liberal logic, it is all emotion, knee jerk, and not reasoned, rational position. It also should never be a "I want to win this" discussion, as you are not in a contest, but trying to teach your kids your belief system, and why you feel it is right. I am willing to change, if someone can sell me on why I should beyond "because you are wrong". Never give up on your kids.

That is just what I expected from you B . Thanks for the sequence. BTW I am anxiously waiting for G Hancocks next book mostly about N. America.

Moon is very entertaining and hopeful, I would do Methuselahs Children, Time Enough For Love, To Sail Upon The Sunset and The number of the Beast in that order as that is the Lazarus Long arc. I think Lazarus was RAH's alter ego persona. But all excellent reads. Starship Troopers and Revolt in 2100 are also good.

I will never give up on my daughter but she will be a tougher nut to crack then I ever thought.

Thanks Nickursis,
" I will accept.... That is how I see it also. If I am ethical and morally grounded acting in my own self interest . Screw them.
When I bought Stranger in a strange land I also bought the moon is a harsh mistress and time enough for love those are next up on the reading docket. What would you read next?

"Liberals feel entitled to their beliefs and do not have to justify them." A friend of mine and I were talking about Jefferson State and how they will go about bailing out on Kalifornia, when they need Sacramentos persmission to petition the Feds for a new state. I think they will just declare themselves and say they don't need Sacramento for anything. But the LIberals will seek to impose themselves on them because they NEED them to fund their Liberal policies and loot from to redistribute to the enclaves of their peasants.Then same Liberals will talk of freedom and students rights to free speech having trashed others same rights in making them their slaves to fund their programs. Ignoring a question is the act of someone who cannot generate a good response, and knows they are at fault and have failed to justify to themselves, let alone anyone else, their beliefs. Liberals do that all the time, they scream, yell and make emotional statements, always about who is getting screwed how, and yet do the same screwing to others with impunity. That is why I always try to justify my arguments and my position, and disenfranchise those who refuse to do the same.

Heinlein addresses a lot of that kind of thought pattern with hard sense. His later works (To Sail Upon the Sunset, Time Enough for Love, The Number of the Beast) addressed the social aspects of life on many levels. In a lot of ways he was Libertarian/Liberal, in others deeply conservative, but best said was he valued the individual over society, and felt it was an individual responsibility to make up his own mind.

FYI:

The capacity of the human mind for swallowing nonsense and spewing it forth in violent and repressive action has never yet been plumbed.
Revolt in 2100 (1953), postscript


At the time I wrote Methuselah’s Children I was still politically quite naive and still had hopes that various libertarian notions could be put over by political processes… It [now] seems to me that every time we manage to establish one freedom, they take another one away. Maybe two. And that seems to me characteristic of a society as it gets older, and more crowded, and higher taxes, and more laws. I would say that my position is not too far from that of Ayn Rand's; that I would like to see government reduced to no more than internal police and courts, external armed forces — with the other matters handled otherwise. I'm sick of the way government sticks its nose in everything, now.
The Robert Heinlein Interview, and other Heinleiniana (1973) by J. Neil Schulman (published in 1990)

I will accept the rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. (The Moon is a Harsh Mistress)

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Robert_...

You're welcome. A good while back it occurred to me dino that what conservatives have been accused of being the progressive movement has become.

Regarding this brilliant writer who freedomforall Recomended to me ( I just loved Stranger in a strange land) That he was ignored and pilloried , probably by people who never read his work. Liberals feel entitled to their beliefs and do not have to justify them. My daughter (who is a great mother and person but was indoctrinated at KU )and son in law were over for a st patty's day meal. Son in law's father is Jewish.
They are a liberals. I asked him what he thought about Louis Farrakhan he said he didn't really know him. I said he was at the capital a lot with Obama and the democratic black caucus. When I said that he thought the Jews should be eliminated and that white people deserved to die. I was immediately censured by my daughter and the question was ignored. My thought is that this is a typical response. these liberals are like ostriches they have firm opinions with no room, time or interest for analysis.

Thank you, Heinlein (IMHO) was as important to social discourse as Ayn Rand was, and was equally ignored and pilloried, yet his most important tid bits have survived 60 years as basic truth. I would love to see a class on him done in every school and a requirement to read both authors, then have an intelligent debate about it.

Thanks. :)

Normally, no, that did not happen, but, as Dino says, I have seen specific cases where staying in a room was OK, the detention and study halls in my HS were routinely not staffed. This was a case of the whole school org decided supporting their political agenda was what they were going to do "to support the students free speech" (and their (teachers) agenda), yet this kids "free speech" rights were ignored as they did not seem to fit the schools agenda. Hypocrisy is rampant on both sides, but the Liberals have a special license on it.

The administrators controlled that event with a most particular pleasure. There was nothing spontaneous about it.

Me dino recalls teachers stepping out of the classroom plenty of times.
My only memory of the first grade is sitting on a stool in front of my class for being snitched out over something while the teacher was out of the classroom.

To be fair, I remember from my high school days -- back when we had men going to the moon -- that a student wasn't allowed to be in a classroom without a teacher overseeing them. That seems to be the issue here.

How many times have the administrators closed the school so that the students could be allowed to “express themselves” in a organized protest and for what purposes?
Do they practice a diversity of ideological expressions? Or could it be that it is only pro-America ideas that they attack?

Young man, do you not know that indoctrination at this school is mandatory? Political correctness REQUIRES that you toe the line!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnO9J...
We had a sign made for you to hold up high. How can that sign be held up high when you are not there to hold it?
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? Don''t you know that you are REQUIRED to lock step do what everyone else is doing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs35t...

Our tax dollars at work destroying young minds and setting examples of unethical conduct.

Again Heinlein foresaw this foolishness.
"historians call the second half of the twentieth century the "Crazy Years" ...
Public school teachers and state university professors who taught that patriotism was an obsolete concept, that marriage was an obsolete concept, that sin was an obsolete concept, that politeness was an obsolete concept--that the United States itself was an obsolete concept; School teachers who could not speak or write grammatically, could not spell, could not cipher ...

a laboratory example of what can happen to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies throughout all histories. A perfect democracy, a 'warm body' democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction. It depends solely on the wisdom and self-restraint of citizens...which is opposed by the folly and lack of self-restraint of other citizens."
--- from To Sail Beyond the Sunset

Home schooling up to age 13 and then apprenticeship would be much better for most young people. Government has no business in education. It has failed its people.