Jan, it all goes back to any form of unsolicited imposition on another is wrong. The coffee people started it, without even being so considerate as to posting a sign, saying something reasonably neutral like "We are sorry but we cannot allow officers in uniform in our shop" or such nonsense, but they publicly embarrassed and intimated them. That also is wrong. My morality is such that ia believe in yin and yang, and in this case I could easily see them being obnoxious to a few customers and cutting their business to make them understand every action has results. The liberal model is to impose themselves on others, often obnoxiously, and stand back, pat themselves on the back, as the great social justice warriors they are. War has a price, so when you start it, you better be prepared for the results. Ask Germany and Japan. There is no evidence the cops did that, but I am ok with it. I am more willing to bet they will ignore it, and the next robbery will just have a really long response time.

You would be punishing one person for another's actions. I can't agree with that.

And anti-police sentiment is not entirely uncalled for. Police who use unnecessary force must be made accountable to their victims in court -- AND overcriminalization must be addressed -- before most people will or should respect the police again.

True, the corruption has run rampant, and many LE agencies have definitely become specifically targeting groups and people based on different requirements outside the law. In Kalifornia, LE is almost anathema to the political structure, as they have a common set of rules that traditionally are not bendable to political donors and patrons.

Traditionally, I would "respect" police because they are armed, and can make my life miserable in the short term. I would also respect them for other reasons, including the dangers of trying to do a decent job of enforcing the law. However, many areas of our world/country may not be equally or fairly policed - way beyond useful stereotyping. Also, the way LE has pursued and completely abused civil asset "forfeiture" in and of itself leaves many LE agencies way down on any "respect" level.

You were lucky that your walk was not long.

I am sure that they can find some suitable reasons to visit, and I would also bet some inspectors may be able to come along and inspect them as well. Fair play, you be a jerk to us, we be jerks to you. The hypocrisy of it is what gets me. "Its ok for us to be offended and ban you, but you can never be offended in return". That is BS, and usually follows most liberal ideas.

Well if Merkel can admit to "no-go zones", surely CA can. It is becoming more like Demolition Man every year, it seems.

There is no logic I can think of that would support this position (of the coffee joint) without falling apart someplace, the baker thing was just the first straw in the argument of falsity.

The oddest thing I noticed was so many "residential" areas where every house had wrought iron bars on the windows and doors. I asked a local coworker if that was some kind of design style of the area. No, was the answer. It was for personal safety of property and themselves. That is, they had to lock themselves into little personal prison cells just to be safe. The criminal element rules in Oakland. The "free" people have to lock themselves up - or hire armed security like the politicians can.

NRA jacket on campus? Good for you and brave as I agree with dukem.

Yes a hero, for another hero see Kristen Meghan
https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
The Clinton Obama Legacy will be concluded in Guantanamo.

The argument in favour of this behaviour would be that being a Police Officer is a choice but being a homosexual is not. Of course, that opens the door to refusing service to Muslims but they don't think that far.

You were a brave man!

I had a business trip to Berkeley a couple years ago on the university campus. In driving there (southbound), I missed the one exit for Berkeley, but took the next exit, which landed me in downtown Oakland, knowing all I had to do was drive a bit north and I would be in Berkeley. Well, I stopped for gas somewhere and had the immediate impression I was in the "wrong part of town." I have no intention of ever going back. As an aside, walking to my meeting (on campus) from my hotel, it was a bit chilly and I wore my "NRA" jacket. Yep, I wore an NRA jacket onto the campus of Berkeley!

And yet I understand that some Objectivist organizations have been in California. Why? Of course, I think they went there a long time ago. Maybe things were different there then.

Yeah, nickursis, ain't it the truth!!!

I am naive enough to think that the presence of police officers is a sign of increased security. These people risk their lives every minute to protect the rest of us. A few bad apples should not besmirch the whole group.

When ever I am in California (which is seldom, though I am a native) I "...simply listen and learn and come back to the cowboy prairie south of Santa Fe, where I now live peaceably and happily?" (Though I am much, much farther north of Santa Fe.)

First, I don't see anyone commenting on the name of the coffee shop: "Until Death". So, to begin with, these folks are a bit off kilter.

Second, I feel that it is their right to not sell their products to LE or anyone else, on whim. So a cop going into Hasta Muerta for a cup of coffee can be banned. However. A cop going into a public building As A Law Enforcement official (ie not to buy coffee) cannot be.

Therefore, the police should simply find whatever reason is legal for them to need to go into Hasta Muerta a few times per day - formally. "Sir. I noticed that your car lights are on. Oh they are off now - that's fine." "Maam. The registration on your car is expired. Here is your ticket."

Jan, likes jujitsu

Admiral Lyons, definitely not an old senile military retiree, but a true patriot, a man that still sees and understands the world as it is. Will Obama's (and perhaps the Clintons, both of them) legacy eventually be recorded truthfully. Remember just how long it took for Hitler's legacy to come around to the truth, and remember that there are still those that deny it.

world turned upside down...when I flew for the airlines (American) I loved my California layovers...paradise ruined...

This is a paraphase, but I think it was Ayn Rand who said herself that all acquaintances should start out at a default level of respect, and then let them tell you where to go from there.

My default with police officers, firemen and other public servants with shitty jobs is HIGH respect, and then it's theirs to lose.

I have a lengthy history with California and the Bay Area and specifically Berkeley, where I lived right after I finished my two tours as a Naval Officer in the sixties during the Vietnam War.
I experienced most of what was offered in northern California in those years, and had a "successful" career in Silicon Valley, where I left in the early nineties when I awakened from the awful dream I had been having. I have not been back since.
I'm now facing a reunion of sorts with my early seventies acquaintances in the belly of the beast, San Francisco, for a couple of days. As a result, I am noticing all the contradictions of my life as I wonder how this will all turn out. I seek only a learning experience, yet have misgivings. I loathe and despise what California has become politically and socially, yet all these people were very good friends long ago.
Do I actually reveal myself, or simply listen and learn and come back to the cowboy prairie south of Santa Fe, where I now live peaceably and happily? Can I possibly integrate those two extreme parts of my life (no, of course), and do I speak my truth when the absurdities of the rotting in California are presented and discussed as Nirvana?
And, of course, perhaps I am overthinking, as I often do.
It will be an interesting several days. I will share the experience after it happens with the Gulch, should I survive. :-)

The father of one of my daughter's closest friends is a cop who was denied service at a McDonald's in Palm Bay, Florida because he is a cop. I have been to their home multiple times.

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/ne...

If me dino were illegal for not belonging in this country, I'd certainly have trouble enjoying my coffee with uniformed cops around.
Yeah, I don't belong here so me scared of being arrested like the criminal I am.
So you mean ole' cops need to stay away.
Note to self: Stay here with the clueless for indoctrinated libtard aiding and abetting Moonbeam voters.. Stay away from, say, Alabama.

He will be brought before a military tribunal given a fair trial. Then he will be found guilty.