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Police officers refused service in coffee shop in Oakland

Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 1 month ago to Culture
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Hmmm. so it is ok to refuse service to a police officer, yet this same state and city will hammer the crap out of a bakery refusing to make a cake for a gay wedding, citing the requirement to provide service to every and NOT discriminate. This is why the whole left fantasy, the snowflake philosophy (if there is such a thing) or the downright hypocrisy of the left cannot sustain itself, as it is like Oroboros, it will eventually end up eating itself. Best to just go in and cancel all thses scities and states with their crazy laws and rules, and just start over. Scrap all their laws, and write a whole new book, that needs a buddy check for sanity. I hope they get robbed and the cops show up and lean on their cars and say "sorry amigo, but we can't go in there and disturb the emotional security of your robbers".
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    Posted by mccannon01 6 years, 1 month ago
    Had two one-month work contracts in Oakland at different times. IMHO the whole place is a cesspool and have no desire to ever go back. I will never take another contract there or even visit. This crap doesn't surprise me at all, since the criminal elements and gangs control everything and are everywhere. Of course they'd be uncomfortable with uniformed police officers around!
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    • Posted by KevinSchwinkendorf 6 years, 1 month ago
      I had a business trip to Berkeley a couple years ago on the university campus. In driving there (southbound), I missed the one exit for Berkeley, but took the next exit, which landed me in downtown Oakland, knowing all I had to do was drive a bit north and I would be in Berkeley. Well, I stopped for gas somewhere and had the immediate impression I was in the "wrong part of town." I have no intention of ever going back. As an aside, walking to my meeting (on campus) from my hotel, it was a bit chilly and I wore my "NRA" jacket. Yep, I wore an NRA jacket onto the campus of Berkeley!
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      • Posted by mccannon01 6 years, 1 month ago
        The oddest thing I noticed was so many "residential" areas where every house had wrought iron bars on the windows and doors. I asked a local coworker if that was some kind of design style of the area. No, was the answer. It was for personal safety of property and themselves. That is, they had to lock themselves into little personal prison cells just to be safe. The criminal element rules in Oakland. The "free" people have to lock themselves up - or hire armed security like the politicians can.

        NRA jacket on campus? Good for you and brave as I agree with dukem.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 1 month ago
    That's the first thing that came to my mind. Force a business to serve gays but not the police.
    I hope they never need protection.
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    • Posted by $ Suzanne43 6 years, 1 month ago
      Mmm, I wonder who these owners would call if they needed help...certainly not the illegals, drug dealers, etc.
      BTW, (I think I have the gist of this story correct)...after that Christian bakery was accused of being homophobic, two men posing as homosexuals went into a Muslim owned bakery in Dearborn, MI.and asked them to bake a cake for their wedding. The Muslims declined because of their religious beliefs. This was reported to the press, but nothing happened. Goes to show that some are more equal than others.
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      • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 1 month ago
        Hi Suzanne43,
        I hope you are enjoying your evening !
        The infiltration of the Muslim Brotherhood through out our Government can be attributed to The Great Traitor Obama and The Traitoriss Evil Hag Clinton .These are not nice people ,March 1928, Hasan al-Banna and six other men founded the Muslim Brotherhood. Their creed was: “Allah is our goal, the prophet our model, the Koran our constitution, Jihad our path, and death for the sake of Allah the loftiest of our wishes.”[2] Al-Banna asserts, “A good man takes delight in launching Jihad,”[3] that is, takes delight in indiscriminate murder for the sake of Allah, beginning with the murder of Jews. Here we discover that the Brotherhood’s stage of insurrection entailed an insurrection against the very notion of a good man—of a human being—as understood through the millennial testimony of the Jewish people.

        In April and May 1938, the Brotherhood led violent demonstrations against Egyptian Jewish communities. In October 1938, they organized the Parliamentary Conference for Arab and Muslim Countries in Cairo, where they distributed Arabic translations of Mein Kampf and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. In 1939, they planted bombs in a Cairo synagogue and in Jewish homes. By 1947 the Brotherhood had more than two dozen branches in Palestine and Jordan; by 1952 they had more than fifty in Sudan. When King Farouk granted Nazi war criminal Haj Amin al-Husseini asylum in Egypt on 20 June 1946, al-Banna applauded the decision. More than a source of pride, the Nazis were a source of inspiration, demonstrating as they did that the extermination of the Jews is possible.
        With that background here is how we have been subverted. I am attaching Admiral "Ace" Lyons
        Video of him explaining the sedition.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpBp5...
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        • Posted by $ Suzanne43 6 years, 1 month ago
          Excellent! Thomas Jefferson understood the Muslims well. Of course he was just an old racist white guy, so why would we want his opinion on anything.
          Hope that you are having a good evening, too. I didn't get back to you sooner because I've been busy doing a bunch of stuff.
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          • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 1 month ago
            After living in this home and raising three kids since 1986 the idea of packing and moving is daunting. I wish Minnesota was more like Indiana.
            It is a California want to be ,Minnesota nice has the do gooders reason and rationality take a back seat to emotions that are easily manipulated by the media. Lots of mosques now thanks to Obama and the idiot Gov Dayton. Neither of them have ever worked an honest day in their lives.
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            • Posted by $ Suzanne43 6 years, 1 month ago
              I don't live that far from Michigan. There is a town there on the boarder with Indiana that is in the process of turning into Muslim stronghold.
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              • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 1 month ago
                Islamofascism: Barack Obama skipped the greatest anti-terror rally ever, the only Western leader to do so. Unlike France's prime minister, he refused to condemn radical Islam, suggesting disinterest in defeating its spawn.

                The president and his top aides remain unusually deferential and accommodating to the Muslim community — despite the spike in threats from the Islamic State, al-Qaida and other Muslim terrorists.

                In a newly released video, IS has called on American Muslims to seek out and kill New York City police and other cops. At the same time, it has posted the names and addresses of U.S. generals it obtained after hacking into a Pentagon website.


                "ISIS is already here, we are in your PCs, in each military base. We won't stop! We know everything about you, your wives, your children," the terrorist group threatened in a tweet. "American soldiers, we are coming, watch your back."

                Attorney General Eric Holder claims such threats keep him "up at night." Yet Holder refuses to say the U.S. is at war with radical Islam. And through his insomnia, he has gone out of his way to make it harder, not easier, for law enforcement to stop radical Islamists, including:

                • Restricting the FBI's surveillance and infiltration of mosques to ferret out jihadists before they can strike.


                • Censoring language such as "radical Islam" and other Islamic references in thousands of pages of counterterrorism training materials used by the FBI.

                • Firing many of the trainers who wrote or used the materials to teach agents to ID jihadists.

                • Purging from the no-fly list the names of hundreds of high-risk Islamists tied to the Muslim Brotherhood.


                • Scuttling ongoing FBI and U.S. attorneys' investigations of Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas front groups in the U.S., including the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and Islamic Society of North America — even though these groups have a long and well-documented track record of supporting terrorism and employing terrorists.

                Meanwhile, Holder's boss has had an open-door policy to such radical Islamists at the White House.

                CAIR officials have logged more than 20 visits to the Obama White House, though the FBI in 2008 ended all contact with CAIR because of its Hamas ties. In 2013, the White House met Sheik Abdullah bin Bayyah, during which the jihadist cleric asked for more support for Hamas and Syrian "rebels" — that is, IS terrorists.

                Obama has also appointed at least six Muslim Brotherhood operatives in the administration, including Mohamed Elibiary, a Homeland Security adviser who came under congressional fire for improperly accessing a federal database. He has helped shape the administration's counterterror strategy.

                Obama's latest Islamist appointment is hijab-wearing Fatima Noor, who will help usher in more Muslim immigrants as the special assistant for U.S. citizenship and Immigration Services at Homeland Security.

                Over the past three years, as Europe deals with Muslim immigrant no-go zones and spiking terror attacks, Obama waved more than 300,000 foreign Muslim nationals into the U.S. — including more than 88,000 from Saudi Arabia alone. Law enforcement can barely handle the terror threats it has without adding unknown foreign Muslims to the matrix.

                In his first speech, Obama went to Cairo, invited Muslim Brotherhood leaders to sit front and center, and apologized to the Muslim world for America's war on terror. Then in 2012, before the United Nations and the world, he declared "the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet (Muhammad)."

                Remarks such as these, along with his pro-Islamist policies, give a green light for jihadists to go ahead and kill in the name of Islam. Incredibly, our Muslim-sympathizing commander in chief is himself a big part of the terror problem. If America is attacked again, he will have a lot of explaining to do.
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        • Posted by NealS 6 years, 1 month ago
          Admiral Lyons, definitely not an old senile military retiree, but a true patriot, a man that still sees and understands the world as it is. Will Obama's (and perhaps the Clintons, both of them) legacy eventually be recorded truthfully. Remember just how long it took for Hitler's legacy to come around to the truth, and remember that there are still those that deny it.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 1 month ago
    Well, maybe most of their customers are illegal aliens, drug dealers , pimps, and gangstas.
    As a business owner who would you rather piss off?
    Catch 22. Shut the doors and go on welfare.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
      Well, that does bring up a point, should certain areas of Kalifornia be isolated and declared a Hazard to Human Health? Considering they have evolved into such a barbaric society, but will lecture the world on human rights and the fountain of love and peace, it seems they must have a pathological issue that needs eradication. No normal, average person in our society will willingly live in such an environment, so between drugs and disease X, it seems isolation is the best protection, until they die off killing each other. It is not their right to spread their disease everywhere else is it?
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      • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 1 month ago
        If that is a valid analysis, DC should be dealt with first since their idiocy affects a wider area and billions of people.
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
          Thats true, but the symptoms get masked by the Republicrats and Trump occasionally stonewalling stupidity. Kalifornia, being a one party state, and the party infected, has no masking, so is always the worse case patient.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 6 years, 1 month ago
    If me dino were illegal for not belonging in this country, I'd certainly have trouble enjoying my coffee with uniformed cops around.
    Yeah, I don't belong here so me scared of being arrested like the criminal I am.
    So you mean ole' cops need to stay away.
    Note to self: Stay here with the clueless for indoctrinated libtard aiding and abetting Moonbeam voters.. Stay away from, say, Alabama.
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  • Posted by dukem 6 years, 1 month ago
    I have a lengthy history with California and the Bay Area and specifically Berkeley, where I lived right after I finished my two tours as a Naval Officer in the sixties during the Vietnam War.
    I experienced most of what was offered in northern California in those years, and had a "successful" career in Silicon Valley, where I left in the early nineties when I awakened from the awful dream I had been having. I have not been back since.
    I'm now facing a reunion of sorts with my early seventies acquaintances in the belly of the beast, San Francisco, for a couple of days. As a result, I am noticing all the contradictions of my life as I wonder how this will all turn out. I seek only a learning experience, yet have misgivings. I loathe and despise what California has become politically and socially, yet all these people were very good friends long ago.
    Do I actually reveal myself, or simply listen and learn and come back to the cowboy prairie south of Santa Fe, where I now live peaceably and happily? Can I possibly integrate those two extreme parts of my life (no, of course), and do I speak my truth when the absurdities of the rotting in California are presented and discussed as Nirvana?
    And, of course, perhaps I am overthinking, as I often do.
    It will be an interesting several days. I will share the experience after it happens with the Gulch, should I survive. :-)
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    • Posted by LibertyBelle 6 years, 1 month ago
      And yet I understand that some Objectivist organizations have been in California. Why? Of course, I think they went there a long time ago. Maybe things were different there then.
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    • Posted by BeenThere 6 years, 1 month ago
      When ever I am in California (which is seldom, though I am a native) I "...simply listen and learn and come back to the cowboy prairie south of Santa Fe, where I now live peaceably and happily?" (Though I am much, much farther north of Santa Fe.)
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  • Posted by $ jdg 6 years, 1 month ago
    You would be punishing one person for another's actions. I can't agree with that.

    And anti-police sentiment is not entirely uncalled for. Police who use unnecessary force must be made accountable to their victims in court -- AND overcriminalization must be addressed -- before most people will or should respect the police again.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
      Jan, it all goes back to any form of unsolicited imposition on another is wrong. The coffee people started it, without even being so considerate as to posting a sign, saying something reasonably neutral like "We are sorry but we cannot allow officers in uniform in our shop" or such nonsense, but they publicly embarrassed and intimated them. That also is wrong. My morality is such that ia believe in yin and yang, and in this case I could easily see them being obnoxious to a few customers and cutting their business to make them understand every action has results. The liberal model is to impose themselves on others, often obnoxiously, and stand back, pat themselves on the back, as the great social justice warriors they are. War has a price, so when you start it, you better be prepared for the results. Ask Germany and Japan. There is no evidence the cops did that, but I am ok with it. I am more willing to bet they will ignore it, and the next robbery will just have a really long response time.
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  • Posted by TomSwift 6 years, 1 month ago
    The argument in favour of this behaviour would be that being a Police Officer is a choice but being a homosexual is not. Of course, that opens the door to refusing service to Muslims but they don't think that far.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
      There is no logic I can think of that would support this position (of the coffee joint) without falling apart someplace, the baker thing was just the first straw in the argument of falsity.
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  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 6 years, 1 month ago
    I am naive enough to think that the presence of police officers is a sign of increased security. These people risk their lives every minute to protect the rest of us. A few bad apples should not besmirch the whole group.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 6 years, 1 month ago
    First, I don't see anyone commenting on the name of the coffee shop: "Until Death". So, to begin with, these folks are a bit off kilter.

    Second, I feel that it is their right to not sell their products to LE or anyone else, on whim. So a cop going into Hasta Muerta for a cup of coffee can be banned. However. A cop going into a public building As A Law Enforcement official (ie not to buy coffee) cannot be.

    Therefore, the police should simply find whatever reason is legal for them to need to go into Hasta Muerta a few times per day - formally. "Sir. I noticed that your car lights are on. Oh they are off now - that's fine." "Maam. The registration on your car is expired. Here is your ticket."

    Jan, likes jujitsu
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
      I am sure that they can find some suitable reasons to visit, and I would also bet some inspectors may be able to come along and inspect them as well. Fair play, you be a jerk to us, we be jerks to you. The hypocrisy of it is what gets me. "Its ok for us to be offended and ban you, but you can never be offended in return". That is BS, and usually follows most liberal ideas.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 1 month ago
    This is an encouraging sign, as long as it's not motivated by people turning to the criminal element for policing.

    These people must think they can be responsible for defending themselves with the police coming in to document and enforce the law after the fact. (Very good) They must feel confident enough in the justice system that officers won't turn on them as thugs would if they take offense. (Very good) It means people feel free enough to refuse service to people who rub them the wrong way for trivial reasons. (Very good) As the OP says, maybe they should reconsider gov't forcing a bigot to provider service for a wedding.

    When I fly I'm always struck by how much of the world is undeveloped. There's room for bigots who don't want to serve gays. There's room for me not to have live anywhere near the bigots. Apparently there's room for people who don't like uniforms.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
      Traditionally, you accord respect for the police, unless you are in a sh@thole African country, I guess Oakland finally seceded to there...
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      • Posted by hattrup 6 years, 1 month ago
        Traditionally, I would "respect" police because they are armed, and can make my life miserable in the short term. I would also respect them for other reasons, including the dangers of trying to do a decent job of enforcing the law. However, many areas of our world/country may not be equally or fairly policed - way beyond useful stereotyping. Also, the way LE has pursued and completely abused civil asset "forfeiture" in and of itself leaves many LE agencies way down on any "respect" level.
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
          True, the corruption has run rampant, and many LE agencies have definitely become specifically targeting groups and people based on different requirements outside the law. In Kalifornia, LE is almost anathema to the political structure, as they have a common set of rules that traditionally are not bendable to political donors and patrons.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 1 month ago
        "Traditionally, you accord respect for the police"
        This is not a tradition I personally I follow. I try to respect all people, and I certainly respect people who do the right thing in jobs where they have the opportunity to use force or steal. Because of the temptations, I think many (not most) police officers around the world give into the temptation to steal, act like common thugs, take bribes in some form or another, and look the other way for suspects they personally like. I'll judge the individual, but when I hear they're a police officer it doesn't immediately increase my respect for them.
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        • Posted by $ gharkness 6 years, 1 month ago
          This is a paraphase, but I think it was Ayn Rand who said herself that all acquaintances should start out at a default level of respect, and then let them tell you where to go from there.

          My default with police officers, firemen and other public servants with shitty jobs is HIGH respect, and then it's theirs to lose.
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