Let the numbskulls bankrupt the state. Let them destroy themselves and prove their economic errors to the rest of the world.

The governor of CA is Jerry Brown. Didn't you know that? Of course he would condone what the Mayor did. It does not make it right.

I thought the same thing. Why reduce the senate count by one. It cost us the continuation of OBamacare as we know it. Appointing Sessions was a political gift from Trump for the campaign support- at least that how I see it.

Guiliani would have been a much better choice for AG, but he refused the job as I remember.

What if Sessions were to volunteer to step down on his own. At this point the liberal fingers are around our neck slowly suffocating us.
If Trump fires sessions we would NEVER get another AG confirmed. We would have to continue as we are now with the Assistant AG in charge. And he is smack dab in the middle of all this crap right now

Appointing Sessions was a mistake on two counts: Alabama lost a Republican senator and we are stuck with a useless AG :-(

I used to have a plant in Tecate, MX. The mexicans used to say that they DIDNT want to live in the USA, but just to come to the US just to make money and then go back to Mexico. Admittedly, that was back in 2000, and things might have changed now. Wages at that time for entry level people were less than half of wages in the USA and were a big draw for illegal immigration.

Sure. No one is going to move or do anything differently if they perceive no benefit to doing so. But there are other benefits to living here other than just wage: better schools, clean water, less threat of gangs or mafia, etc. That's why I don't look at wage level as the end-all deterrent.

Voluntarily not hiring illegals? You're forgetting that businesses are in it for the money. They are in it for cheap labor. Consumers may "buy American" to feel good, but few employers have that luxury. Without the threat of legal enforcement - or a massive customer backlash (which isn't going to happen) - their behavior will be to hire cheap labor. While this argument may appeal to the feel-good crowd, I fail to see it having any effect whatsoever.

I think there are two phases: stopping MORE illegal immigration, and deporting the ones already here. I think we both agree that we need to turn off the hose before we look at the drains.

Trump would fire sessions if he werent under so much fire from this stupid special counsel- who is REALLY against us. If Sessions gets fired, Trump exposes himself to a whole new investigation about impedding the investigation about russia.

I watched a series on TV about the Ken Starr investigation of Bill Clinton- who was definitely caught with his hand in the cookie jar and lied about it. It went on for like 5 years, and in the end the senate was too scared to act

I think the illegal mexican or central american immigrants ome here because the wages are higher than in their depressed home countries. Wages here have to be substantially higher to accommodate the higher cost of living here they will be subjected to. Cut off that premium and there will be little reason for them to come here.

As to the discrimmination aspect, I was really referring to business people here trying to stop illegal immigration by voluntarily NOT hiring people they thought were illegal- and all without everify government threats.

said another way.....if you are not with us, you are against us. Sessions does not appear to be "with us".

I appreciate your argument about minimum wage and I agree there could be some effect there, as immigrants send billions of US $ back to Mexico every year. It would be interesting to see if that had any real effect on immigration.

All the arguments you are making regarding what you are calling discrimination seem to me to have little to do with being an immigrant and everything to do with job requirements. Being able to speak English seems like a pretty critical aspect of any job, as is the necessity to be there when the job needs to be done. I know many employers who block out certain weeks and say "we will not be approving time off during these times". I know its also been a standard question on every application I've ever filled out that I have to say that I have reliable transportation so that I can get to work on time. And any of these can be done right now regardless of their legal work right status. I think you have ample current status to employ any or all of those policies with your staff right now and be fully justified.

Minimum wages encourage illegal immigration because the wage rates are MUCH lower in Mexico for example. They come up here to get the higher wage, then send what they dont spend back to mexico rather than stay there themselves. BUT, living expenses are much higher up here, so if the non USA citizen wages were 1/2 of the current minimum wage, the attraction of the USA wouldnt be so great.

As to the discrimmination part of it, If the wages paid would be the same for everyone by law, I would rather employ americans who spoke english, didnt need to go back to "mexico" for a month a year at my busiest time ( ! ), didnt have a car to get to work reliably, etc. On the other hand, if I could pay a person I could tell just by looking at them and talking for a few minutes - half of the american worker wage, I might consider hiring them.

Eliminating minimum wage laws

I'm all in favor of this, because economically it actually hurts the uneducated and minorities, but as a deterrent to illegal immigration, I'm questioning its effectiveness. Wouldn't it just provide more opportunities for work AND (with the elimination of a wage floor) make it easier to pay in cash?

Voluntary discrimination just for "looking" like an illegal alien

This one is so problematic its ridiculous. I can claim just about anyone "looks" like an illegal alien with no justification whatsoever. This one has really bad policy written all over it. Besides that, if we're hiring someone based on whether or not they can get the job done, how does what one looks like matter in the first place?

Biggest deterrent is to eliminate "catch and release" at the border

We need to start catching them at the border, and if they are on the list of convicted criminals, execute them on the spot. These are not only the most dangerous illegals coming in, but the ones helping funnel a lot of others.

Its tricky. I can think of a few things, like eliminating minimum wage laws for people not on the list to have so called green cards. A lot less incentive to come here if all one could make is $3 an hour for example.

Another thing is for employers to just voluntarily discrimminate against people who were obviously illegal aliens- without getting in legal trouble for doing so.

I would not hire someone who looked like an illegal alien at the prevailing wage that an american would get. If I were to hire them, it would have to be at a steep discount.

Biggest deterrent is to eliminate "catch and release" at the border.

I understand what you're getting at and your concerns. I'm looking at the tools available to get individuals to self-deport. An inability to obtain legal employment is a pretty effective tool IMHO. But without alterations to the current system, you're presenting a hypothetical and using the effects of the hypothetical as an overriding case - ignoring the original intent of the law and for which it has been constructed. I'm not saying it is perfect nor that it could not be abused. (Almost anything can be abused if allowed - the Constitution itself is a great example.) But if you want to give me an alternative which will be equally or more effective, I'm all ears.

maybe people who voted for trump would not be allowed in the future to work

Potentially, I agree. But in its current state, none of those things are recorded - only whether or not the person is legally able to work in the United States.

I don’t like everify though. It’s a slippery slope. Means the government controls who u can hire- could easily be applied to ones religion, race, sexual orientation- just to protect specific groups

When some red states' representatives started talking about the principle of "nullification," implying the 10th amendment gives the states the right to declare a federal law unconstitutional, and thus null and void, progressives started screaming about a civil war. In any event, nullification cannot apply in the case of immigration law as that is in fact a federal responsibility, according to the Constitution. Ergo, all the states and municipalities that have declared themselves "sanctuaries" against federal immigration law are committing criminal acts.

If we allow ICE to do their job (and build the wall and enforce E-Verify), they can take care of this.

There are the liberals, and then there are the others incongress who are afraid of antagonizing the liberals. Net result is the liberal agenda is put forth

I was thinking of keeping the illegals that come into california from infecting the rest of the country !

The Congress has no guts to do anything about this. The Atty. General is utterly absent from his post.

Here's what I found FUNNY.
She said she did not use OFFICIAL Sources, so she feels safe in doing this. (Meaning she did not use her office to find out).

BUT, her Twitter is probably verified. And now she used the COLOR OF LAW to notify people.

See, I believe the SOURCE of the information to HER was IMMATERIAL. If she announced it anonymously via an anonymous Twitter handle.

But the MINUTE anyone who saw that the MAYOR said this... Realized it was REAL, and now THEY are the source of the information, and considered RELIABLE and PART OF GOVERNMENT.

To me, this means she is COMPLETELY culpable. She Aided and Abetted criminals. And THIS is a case we should see her given 6 Months for EACH of the 800 People they felt they missed. For a total of 400 Years in prison, with Parole after 200 years!

They are illegal, unconstitutional taxes (on income) supported only by federal toadies in the courts. States should oppose every single over-reach of the feds especially when it steals from the people the state represents. Guess I should clarify that "freezing" taxes meant they are not collected at all. ( I agree about immigration enforcement being executive branch authority. Fund it without income taxes;^)