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Charlton Heston lays out the Gun Control debate

Posted by $ blarman 6 years, 1 month ago to Politics
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Worth every one of the twenty minutes.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 1 month ago
    What a splendid speaker was Chuckie Heston. His very annunciation put lead in the gun of every toter who heard him.I'm sure it made every student want to go out and shoot someone or at least something. Or, maybe not. Trump may not be as good of a speaker, but I'll bet he's better for the present day's representative feelings.But most of all, every word Heston spoke was true, which is the most important part of the speech altogether.
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    • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 1 month ago
      Herb,
      I heard this stem winder from President Trump.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIX...
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      • Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 1 month ago
        When I first ventured in to social media I was astounded at how vehemently Hillary was defended. How could anyone support her after all her foibles became known? I decided that the only way they could remain was to disregard all of the scurrilous actions of Mrs. Clinton by self delusion. I guess that is when you are brought up in a family of democrats that goes back generations, you might wish for the Democrats of yesterday, who, while they were philosophically wrong, at least were loyal flag waving Americans. Today, it appears as if they are America haters, blaming this miraculous country for all the ills of the world..
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        • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 1 month ago
          When all of the Clinton collusion Fake Dossier was revealed I called my liberal brother-inlaw out about it. His response was " I don't want to hear about it I am taking some time off with politics." He is actually a pretty reasonable Dem
          mostly supporting them for "the environment".
          With other libs they never want to listen to facts they solely react emotionally. This I think is the result of a carefully executed plan set in motion
          in the 18th century and altered along the way.
          I am attaching a documentary that was made in 1967 by Myron Fagan it is not perfect and he may have a couple of things wrong but I give it a B+ It is not a short tale and if you don't want to invest the time that is understandable .

          https://youtu.be/FwB9WFDhHh8
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  • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 1 month ago
    No one with Heston's views on the 2nd amendment would be invited to speak at Harvard today unless it was a biased ambush.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
      Very likely. Harvard and most of the Ivy League schools are now too focused on paying their students to party while inflating their grades (true - look it up).
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      • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 1 month ago
        Got a link? (I'm not finding it.)
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
          Saw it a couple of years ago, but I'm having a hard time finding the links to the article I read. I'll post it if I come across it. The ones I could find were from 2016 on and listed other universities as the top twenty. Of course, it should also be noted that they were student surveys interpreted by polling companies, so a grain of salt may be appropriate in any case.

          Please note that I do differentiate between the undergraduate Harvard and Harvard Law School or Harvard Business School. They are completely different animals.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 1 month ago
            Only one I found was an article citing Playboy magazine picking Penn as the #1 party school. I don't really think of Penn as Ivy League.
            I know people who went to Penn and while they were above average, they were not what I consider MIT quality, which is what I expect from Harvard (but I am almost always disappointed, in their lack of ethics as well as intellectually.)
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 6 years, 1 month ago
    Columbine happened in 1999. Columbine was one of the first schools to imerse themselves in Clinton's outcome based ed and all the mind altering values clarification and psychotropic drugs that went with it.
    We who studied it, knew a year earlier, "nothing good can came from this." Since no one went past guns as the cause, the same thing happens again and agin, and each time it is always guns blamed. Hogwash! I loved Charlton Heston and his his inegrity. My gram was a Heston.I still have the tee with his photo and his famous quote.Personally, I do not think all the school shooting were unplanned, as in iebeals wanting to please the UN and seize guns.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 1 month ago
    Wow. I agree with almost everything he says and certainly his conclusions: respect gun rights and stand up for what you think is right. But he comes off so smarmy and sanctimonious, that it's actually hard to listen to. If I knew nothing about the issue, just hearing him would bias me against whatever he's saying.

    He obviously speaks to many people. I wonder how much of an outlier I am in finding him unctuous and hard to listen to.

    Heston says everyone who knows him personally says he's honorable, but he's indignant that his haters just don't understand him. It's "cultural persecution", he says. All these anti-intellectuals are foisting rules on him. It's like he's inviting the audience to tell him that being persecuted is just part of being a great man like the Founders of the US.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
      Just out of curiosity, but what do you find "smarmy and sanctimonious"? Both of those descriptors are used when there is implicit deceit or superiority in the speech.

      You do know that Charleton Heston died almost ten years ago, right? So anything people think about him now or whether or not people "understand him" is irrelevant.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 1 month ago
        "Both of those descriptors are used when there is implicit deceit or superiority in the speech."
        That's exactly how he comes off to me. That's I say "wow" because I agree with what he says, but how he says it sounds really annoying.

        "whether or not people "understand him" is irrelevant."
        I know. I'm was trying to describe in the historical present tense how he comes off as whining about being persecuted and misunderstood.

        The interesting (hopefully) part of this is many people perceive him differently. I wonder if some people find Reagan, who I think was an amazing public speaker, grating like that. I wonder if I have a singular aversion to Heston's style.
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
          Interesting. So - understanding that different people come off differently to different people - how do they various following people come off to you?

          Bill Clinton
          Hillary Clinton
          Barack Obama
          Donald Trump
          Mitt Romney
          Newt Gingrich
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 1 month ago
            You're asking about how they come off in public speeches, right, not content.
            Bill Clinton - A master, like President Reagan
            Hillary Clinton - Low ability
            Barack Obama - High ability, but not quite a Clinton or Reagan
            Donald Trump - Low ability
            Mitt Romney - Medium ability
            Gingrich - Low to Medium ability
            Note that these are all relative to people on the presidential level. Running for local office, they'd all have high ability. Also, it's all my humble opinion of how they come off to me, not how good they are with broader audience.
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            • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
              No, I was just asking about your perception of certain people when they speak. Ability wasn't really what was on the table, rather I was interested in perceived tone and presentation. Any politician of caliber can get the content down - that's why they have campaign managers and speechwriters. It's the delivery that's important.

              I rate them as following:

              Bill Clinton - They don't call him Slick Willy for nothing, but personally his legacy taints everything he says. I know others found him enthralling, but to me, his voice was a turn off because I could hear the lies and self-aggrandizement. To me, he's a lot like Rod Stewart (the musician) - either you love the affectation in his voice or you hate it. And while I can tolerate Rod Stewart, I can't tolerate Bill Clinton.

              Hillary Clinton - possibly the most inept politician ever, but a great mob boss. Her middle name should probably be Corleone - not Rodham. Her voice is always either condescending or rude - never sincere. There is no honesty whatsoever in her voice, and she can't even cloak it in a tone of "Hey, but I'm a nice person" like her husband. It is literally torture to me to have to listen to her talk for more than a few minutes, as she is the very definition of sanctimonious. I couldn't have sat in those Benghazi hearings without going mad.

              Barack Obama - I found his halting pauses (go to Toastmasters man!) obnoxious rather than poignant as if the primary point of them was for applause. His constant use of "Let me be clear" even more so - it signaled to me that what was to follow was either a blatant lie or a slanted idealistic sermon. He could energize a partisan audience, but did so using the politics of division and depended heavily on elaborate behind-the-scenes setup by his cronies. (I guess being a community organizer has its perks.) (Bill) Clinton's shtick was "I'm the nice guy". Obama's was the race card. But where (Bill) Clinton could think on his feet, Obama could not - as shown in his speeches. I don't give him near as much credit as you do, rating him in ability only medium.

              Donald Trump - I find him quite possibly one of the worst public speakers imaginable. His use of language is an offense to any grammar-school teacher, and he has the eloquence of a fire hydrant. Trump to me comes off as arrogant and superficial. That being said, however, he is at least sincere - even if his understanding of the Constitution is lacking.

              Mitt Romney - Romney is a fantastic public speaker both in tone and in content. His voice is pleasant and you can hear the sincerity. And he's never angry or condescending. As a politician he's only mediocre - as shown by his meltdown after the first debate with Obama. He'll never be President, but I attribute that in large part to Mike Huckabee in the first race rather than Mitt Romney in the second.

              Newt Gingrich - Gingrich is a good-to-great public speaker. It wasn't his public speaking abilities that kept him off the RNC ticket, but his personal life. He didn't get to be Speaker of the House by being ineloquent. Having watched him on Fox News and other places, he's easily the equal of Bill Clinton, but he doesn't have the personal charm or good looks of a Romney or John Edwards. I rarely agree with what he has to say, but he can stage a delivery well and has a quick mind. He's a formidable opponent in a debate.
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 1 month ago
                You give very similar ratings to mine.
                Gingrich - I haven't heard hims speak that much. I think counted against Gingrich that he said off-the-cuff remarks that sounded insensitive.
                People made fun of him saying we could give the poor computers and that we could make medicine cheaper by having a electronics diagnose you from home. His predictions are actually coming true! Poor people around the world are making money writing computer code with inexpensive computers. Telemedicine is a big thing people are investing in. He was right. But that and many things he said one the surface sounded like he didn't care.

                Romeny - He came off a little too much like a guy from the coasts representing a private equity firm that just acquired a local business when the owner retired. All the workers are gathered to hear his smooth talk, but they know those investors from the East Coast don't care about them. I'm not saying that's at all true, but that's what he sounded like to me. His gaff about it being hard to sell cutting taxes because half the people pay no federal income tax was also a powerful and correct point: Half the people don't have any reason for this to be on their radar, yet he needed to win > half the vote.
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