Drivers are being swamped in unfair toll violations: suit

Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 2 months ago to Government
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Now this is scary and a real sign of how the looters are just destroying everything and anything. To start with, taxes should be paying the costs of building roads and bridges (69.6 cents per gallon) tolls were always for private ventures such as bridges and ferrys government did not provide. Now they toll 8.50 each way for a bridge and tunnel, and because tolling is sso inefficient, they use a transponder on the car and it doesnt work, so they gouge you 100.00 for every 8.50 you "don't" pay because they can't make it work. Just scrap that whole thing and start over, it is completely unaffordable for anyone and is just feeding some giant socialist monster. Just to illustrate how hard it is to find real data that number came from a site llisting the "total" tax per gallon and here is a supposed breakdown, that would make an AR adherent cry : "Gasoline and Diesel Tax rates also include a 8-8.75 cpg state sales tax + 4% local sale tax rate (most areas), "Other Tax" include a 0.05 cpg Petroleum Test Fee (gas only)and a 0.30 cpg spill fee, State excise tax is 8 cpg on gasoline and diesel, Petroleum Business Tax 17.8 cpg gas only and 16.05 cpg diesel ((article 13A)) "
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 6 years, 2 months ago
    And you KNOW how THEY Know?

    Because here in FL, they take a picture of your license plate. And if the transponder did not go off, but the car is registered to a transponder (via the Plate), they just ding it for you.

    In fact, now they have Toll by plate, where they don't even bother pinging the transponder in a bunch of places...

    BUT... I got a bill in the mail when I changed cars. It turns out they had MISREAD the plate. the picture they sent me was NOT my car. LMAO.

    The removed the charges. Apologizes.

    I watched my bill for about 3 months after that, but it seemed fine.

    I have NO ISSUE with Tolls, or Port Fees. But I have a huge issue with Corruption that causes them to use the fees for things other than the roads!
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 2 months ago
      I do have an issue with tolls, in that most are applied to roads built with taxes before they had tolls, the tolls get added afterwards with the justification "the users have to pay for it", well they have all kinds of taxes to cover the roads, so where does that go? You have part of the users pay for their use, and another group that don't (unless all roads are tolled). Yet all get taxed, usually onerously, because rarely does it all go to roads. Oregon DOT has 4,000 people in Salem, WTF do they do? They sure ain't fixing roads....Another thing is that the housing is usually following the roads, or the roads get in for them, and then, when you are locked in, they decide "tolls are needed". Then go try to pry their budget information out of the state, it has better security than Top Secret...
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      • Posted by ewv 6 years, 2 months ago
        Many older toll highways were promised to be toll-free after the construction was paid. Long after it was paid off the tolls remain, but higher.

        Highway taxes and fees typically go into the general fund where much of it is used for other costs, such as subways and rail and land acquisition and construction costs for bike paths and trails.
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
          And that is what happened with the Hood Canal Bridge in Kitsap County Wa. They built it to replace one that sank in the Columbus Day storm, then tolled it to pay for it. A inquisitive guy went digging (and Oregon has made all such documents unavailable now to prevent such investigation) and he found it was paid for 2 years earlier. He sued the State, and he had to do it in Federal court, because the State said "You can't sue us", and he won, with a federal order to the state to remove the toll booths. Took them a year to do it, but finally it became free. One reason I do not trust tolls, most of the time it is impossible to get them to show you where the money goes. It should be limited to the road it is tolled for, but you know government.
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      • Posted by CaptainKirk 6 years, 2 months ago
        It does get complicated. A certain percentage of property taxes have to cover some roads coming in and going around.

        But the lack of competition in the system, and the corruption that follows...

        Basically, as the government becomes 90% of the employment they will have to tax us out of existence.

        I think someone else mentioned that the MPG is way up, and now they get less $$$. So much so, that in CA they are asking PRIUS drivers to pay by the mile. And are considering an additional tax.

        I know Disney maintains their own roads quite well... I would be curious to see what they pay per mile! Something tells me it is LESS than my county pays...
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
          Oregon did a big thing with "pay by mile", I calculated it and I would pay double with it. Since the gas taxes do not go away for you when you do their pay by the mile, it was a no brainer to say "no", but they are pushing it. The evil looting of government is getting worse each year, and that is because as a guy named Clyde Lewis said tonight on radio, "we have exchanged citizen legislators for professional legislators who crave nothing but power".
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 2 months ago
    Everyday it costs more and more to make a living, so much so, there is No supposed Profit, (beyond cost) in the middle class income bracket if you add in all the taxes and taxes on taxes we pay...it almost costs one more to work than to not.

    But the scenario doesn't surprise me.
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  • Posted by Ben_C 6 years, 2 months ago
    The irony. When gas was cheap and my truck got 8 miles per gallon the roads were in pretty good condition. OMG global warming and carbon foot print plus the oil embargo of the seventies. MPG up and gas consumption down. Brilliant legislators didn't think about that and tax revenues declined. No money to fix the roads? How about fixing them right the first time. In Michigan the DOT road specifications are poor and the roads are designed to fail. Job security for road companies. If the roads had been built correctly the first time we would not be having this conversation.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 2 months ago
      Yes, but they do some really cheap crappy work, in Oregon they chew up the spot where the wheels go and redo it, just so the winter water gets in the seam and brings uit up making it 10x worse. They gouged us 300 million in new taxes this year and none of it will go to roads, even though it is gas tax, fees and other crap. The looters are loose among us.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 6 years, 2 months ago
    I got a ticket via mail because a SunPass toll booth in South Florida could take the picture of my car, but couldn't read the transponder ... even though many other toll booths on that trip did.
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    • Posted by ewv 6 years, 2 months ago
      What did you do about it?
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      • Posted by $ jbrenner 6 years, 2 months ago
        It was $3, so I paid it. It wasn't worth the hassle. I know that is philosophically wrong, but I had to put a priority on the battles that I want to fight.
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        • Posted by ewv 6 years, 1 month ago
          You can't stop to fight every injustice, but opposing it is about more than the $3. Their system is arrogantly corrupt and widespread. If a bank accountant skims a fraction of a penny off every transaction by manipulating rounding errors in his program in order to accumulate a large take for his own account but which isn't noticed in any single transaction, he is properly prosecuted -- not ignored because each 1/10 of a cent by itself isn't worth it.
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          • Posted by $ jbrenner 6 years, 1 month ago
            Indeed. The ticket was from when I was returning from a work-related conference in South Florida. We don't have Toll-By-Plate in my part of Florida ... yet?
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            • Posted by ewv 6 years, 1 month ago
              I would expect toll-by-plate to be even less reliable. There have been a lot of problems in the development of license plate readers using ocr from images of plates with dirt or mud on the plate and different light reflection conditions.

              Even when these systems work, the worst problem is the privacy violation by constant government tracking required for the "technology" of open-ended "revenue enhancement". There is a bill in Massachusetts that would impose new tolls on all kinds of highways where there are no tolls now. Another one would establish a pilot program for "counting [and] reporting the number of miles traveled by particular vehicles". It would would use "on-board vehicle-mileage-counting equipment added to their vehicles, administered in a manner the department of transportation deems appropriate". The "pilot program" would "analyze and evaluate the ability of different technologies and methods to ... ensure drivers’ privacy; and vary pricing based on the time of driving, type of road, proximity to transit, vehicle fuel efficiency, participation in car-sharing or pooling or income of the driver". http://cltg.org/cltg/clt2018/docs/H18...

              They claim this tracking isn't a violation of privacy because the bill says so. Instead of laws that protect the rights of the individual, their notion of rights is whatever is left after they do whatever they can get away with under constantly expanding authority with a progression of never-ending new laws that pronounce that they do not violate rights, which is then employed in assurances that propagandize with Orwellian double speak.
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              • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
                At least they are planning it, in oregon, they are doing it, but voluntarily for now. The question comes to mind as to how they install the equipment and what it accesses, as cars become increasing digital and complex, you don't need the government and lefty louie trashing the software to hack into it for their outdated toy. Again, I see it just as a varied looting system as the roads are paid for from other taxes, and the gas tax is sky high in some states, and still, still, it is never enough.
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