The special data device SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy sent to orbit is just the start

Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 1 month ago to Science
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Hmmm... a Tesla Roadster with a politician, er, dummy in the seat, with a miniature Tesla with politician in it, and an "Arch" (pronounced "Ark"). This concept has made itself used in Sci Fi books in the last few years, one series being The Frontiers Saga, with a "Data Ark" helping humanity after a 1000 year dark age get back into space where they were before.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 1 month ago
    "Arch will also send a full archive of Wikipedia"
    Great, now the taxpayer pays to put statist biased propaganda into orbit, too.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
      I am not seeing that, Arch is funded on donations, as is Wikipedia. In fact, I kind of like Wiki, it at least makes you prove your points with references, even if the references are bogus. No data source is trustworthy today, but a lot of the "facts" today may be skewered by who paid for them a while back.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 1 month ago
        Wikipedia throws out anything that the AMA doesn't approve, for example, as if it was quackery. Instead they should be following the money and exposing the AMA's quackery.
        Wikipedia is biased in favor of the state sponsored propaganda.
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        • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 6 years, 1 month ago
          Wikipedia will generally advance the liberal agenda. However for simple factual things it's a great reference and a good jumping off point for checking actual sources.
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          • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
            That may be a good a summation as you can get, simply becaiuse more "open minded" people than "closed minded" will take the time to do anything with it.But the use is about as you describe.
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
          I have never heard that is it posted on their site as a condition or something?
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          • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 1 month ago
            One example https://www.huffingtonpost.com/dana-u...
            And then there is the liberal bias issue:
            http://www.medicalexposedownloads.com...
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            • Posted by $ jlc 6 years, 1 month ago
              Thank you for providing the links, but - while I do consider that Wikipedia has a liberal bias on many contemporary issues - I did not find the links particularly convincing on the topics they addressed.

              For example: the fact that some remedies, which work via known mechanisms (ie immunology) are endorsed by both science and homeopathy does not mean that homeopathy is an equally accurate model as science.

              Jan
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              • Posted by lrshultis 6 years, 1 month ago
                Many of the trials for homeopahic treatments just see whether they are better than placebo treatments and not to compare the results between homeopathic medicine and evidence based modern medicine. Also the meta-studies do not address the differences between the experimental setups of the many trials. It is a type of data mining which may or may not give valid results.
                The diseases supposedly treated do not seem to cover more than a small number which modern medicine shows helpful to being cured diseases.
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              • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 1 month ago
                I agree, the articles are also likely biased. But they aren't claiming to be unbiased. They are just asking for fair treatment, and wikipedia should be doing so, and instead they are making up rubbish excuses why they shouldn't. Wikipedia is on my shit list until they become unbiased.
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                • Posted by $ jlc 6 years, 1 month ago
                  I find them an excellent tool, and not unduly biased when it comes to chemical structures or Sumerian research.

                  Jan ;>)
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                  • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
                    I'm with you on this Jan, if it is data and facts, that can be separately verified, then it is all grist for the knowledge mill, otherwise, dump. I will find an article on Yahoo (since it is my mail and has been for 20 years), and will try a Google search, then a Yahoo search, and if it comes up again, then give it some credit, unless it is so off the wall, it is obviously slanted. Google and most search engines have their own built in bias, designed into them.
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  • Posted by andrewph 6 years, 1 month ago
    The orbital repository is some what superfluous. Adding it to each planetary orbit even more so. It’s a good ad for the crystal data storage device. I would be a bit nervous if I were going to mars considering he missed the that calculation and sent his Tesla into the asteroid belt. Not really better than the last few Russian mars missions
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 6 years, 1 month ago
    I think I actually saw the tweet exchange that caught Musk's attention go by. The ability to make archival copies of large amounts of data is a good thing, we have lots of data.

    As to launching it, like the roadster it's just promotional. They were using it all as test weight rather than a bunch of bricks.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
      I can believe that, they had to do a test flight, so why not stick something on it unique? As it is, had it been a government program, they would need 10 test flights a year apart before anyone would say, "strap the Tesla on it", even then they would use bricks. You have to give the guy credit, he has stuck something up there that even in a 1000 years, someone comes along to ask what was on that planet with all the ruins on it?, and know. Might make a good sci fi story.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 1 month ago
    As described, how does this so-called project help humanity? If we put all of humanity's knowledge in orbit today, how would humanity ever use it unless they had already achieved the technology to get up there and retrieve it?

    Another distraction from what was actually put into orbit- secretly.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
      As in one of the stories using such a Data Arch (Ark) they had this thing called the Bio-Digital plague (Humans had continued to create electronics that could be integrated into the body, and had some deep ones), where a virus introduced into the digital side effected a biological side and was killing people off, only a small set were found immune. The survivors still had tech, but not as much as they had, and used this ark to start working their way back up. So, say such an Ark is on Earth, in several places, why not also place them in safe orbits, and so if you lose it on Earth, you know where to go find it.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 1 month ago
        Because getting them back from the orbit is unlikely, prohibitively expensive compared to those off-grid based on earth, and if earth is lost there is no way to get there at all. I don't argue with the need to get off earth, but that requires getting a technology rich population off earth to be safe from an earth catastrophe, not just a library stored in a way and a place that is impossible to access after the catastrophe. It's a stupid plan.
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
          Also, maybe they will have a comm system to allow access by request, eliminating the need for physical access.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 1 month ago
            Then that also adds an orbiting power system, an orbiting hardware data access system, and assumes that the ability to communicate on the ground (and to store and use downloaded data) has not been destroyed by the catastrophe. If such a facility had survived it's likely that ground based data libraries also survived making the one in orbit of no consequence.
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
          I agree with you, that should be the goal of all the world at this point, but the graft being dragged off the system, or the secret government, apparently does not want us off the rock. Even a self sustaining space habitat would be better than what we have now.
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