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In case I'm ever tempted to move back to California . . .

Posted by $ CBJ 3 years, 8 months ago to Politics
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"California Considers $1,000 Fine for Waiters Offering Unsolicited Plastic Straws"

Plus up to 6 months in jail.

I wonder if they would reduce the sentence if the waiter is "undocumented".
SOURCE URL: http://reason.com/blog/2018/01/25/california-bill-would-criminalize-restau


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    Posted by $ Olduglycarl 3 years, 8 months ago
    First: Friends don't let Friends...move back to california!

    Second: What ever happened to the paper straw? Paper bags, (we still have them here in CT-go figure) and wax paper linings in cereal boxes...Oh, I forgot, tree huggers thing if we cut down trees there will be no oxygen left to breath and Bees wax...well, not many around lately...must be global warming...(NOT)

    As for Not giving anyone anything until they ask?...we get closer and closer to Bizarro's world every day.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 years, 8 months ago
    California should take a hard look at Apple's decision to open a "second" headquarters in another state. They might wake up to suddenly find moving vans in Cupertino, with an announcement Apple is departing. Losing the world's biggest company would be a blow they might not recover from.
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    • Posted by term2 3 years, 8 months ago
      They would put some horribly large fine on Apple if it decided to move, making it impossible. Punitive severance pay or something like that. Maybe a real Directive 10-289 forbidding the move
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 years, 8 months ago
        That would be an unconstitutional move, impeding interstate commerce. Now that the California legislature lost its supermajority of Democrats, it's going to be harder to do things like this. The attempt to punitively tax the corporate "windfall" from Trump's tax reforms, doesn't look like it's going to pass, as some legislators are starting to worry about the number of companies that threatened to leave if it passed.
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        • Posted by term2 3 years, 8 months ago
          But the loss of Apple would be a hard pill to swallow. Passing a punitive tax on companies leaving the state would easily pass. They have nothing to lose
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          • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 years, 8 months ago
            I think that Apple would prevail in federal court against a punitive tax as unconstitutional. California would have a lot to lose, because the idea of setting up a business in the state as a captive would keep firms from opening new business in California. Either California would have to swallow that bitter pill, or offer concessions to Apple to keep them as a California business.
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            • Posted by term2 3 years, 8 months ago
              If Calif wanted to keep apple, it would have to give a tax credit to offset the loss apple would face for staying there, and ALSO offer that to the other tech companies that would be watching closely, lest THEY leave. So it would cost Calif to keep apple- a net loss to calif from what they have today. Therefore I think Cal has nothing to lose by just trying a 10-289 and stopping all companies from leaving. Cal courts would uphold the 10-289, and it would be up to the supreme court to knock it down, which I tend to believe would refuse to hear it
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              • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 years, 8 months ago
                Just read in the Oklahoman today that a California-based drone manufacturer with a billion-dollar annual income is relocating to Oklahoma. While the company didn't mention any California negatives, it did refer to the fact that OK is business-friendly, and has a great facility in the old Clinton-Sherman bomber base, with a three mile long runway and cleared for military and non-military experimental testing up to suborbital altitudes. If the punitive tax is implemented, look for companies to shut down and find ways to reopen under other names in other states.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 3 years, 8 months ago
    Once upon a time, there was a beautiful, bountiful place . Filled with scenery so breathtaking that people came there just to look. The people availed themselves of natural resources and irrigated the land which bore food enough to feed much of the world in addition to its own people. But then, some people escaped from the society of Loonybin, and promised free stuff for all. The people forgetting that there's no such thing as a free anything,. they listened to the Loonybin people and proceeded to destroy the beautiful, bountiful place. Very sad.
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    • Posted by term2 3 years, 8 months ago
      This is true. I used to live there. It was the land of opportunity. That is GONE now. Last time I was there, all that came to mind was the hollowed and rotted out tree in the beginning of Atlas Shrugged.

      There is tremendous wealth still there, however, which will feed the socialist state for awhile longer. Eventually, it will go the way of Venezuela when people stop funding their insanity.
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      • Posted by Herb7734 3 years, 8 months ago
        We pay around $15K in property tax for a 4 bed 2 bath 2 car house, in Cal. the same house type would cost double that, just one reason people are fleeing to Texas in droves.I live in Florida and over-all there is no state income tax, and along with lower taxes, the price of everything else, especially food, is less. We are retired and to live in San Diego, our former city, we'd need an income of $100K.I may love San Diego, but but not that much,
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        • Posted by term2 3 years, 8 months ago
          I JUST DONT GET IT. Why people pay that much for California. But they do, at least now. Its a rich state, no doubt. BUT, I think competition from China hasnt hit there yet to drive down wages and therefore prices and government fees
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          • Posted by Herb7734 3 years, 8 months ago
            Prices will never go down so long as the libs are running things. They'll continue to spend money as if they have it, and will raise taxes in various ways until there's no one left to pay them.Then the state will go the way of Detroit. They know the remedy is to cut spending, but they just can't do it. Everything is essential to them, even the mystery money that no one can account for. But certain politicians go into the job virtual paupers and retire as millionaires and no one ever questions where all the money came from..
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            • Posted by term2 3 years, 8 months ago
              like Nancy Pelosi. I understand she is worth 100 million somehow.
              I just dont understand how people get paid so much in California to support those high prices and taxes while the rest of us scrape by. I am sure theres a reason...
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              • Posted by $ Dobrien 3 years, 8 months ago
                Here is one way .As Steve Kroft reported on "60 Minutes," Pelosi is one of many lawmakers whose stock market trades could have been seen as a conflict of interest. The former speaker and her husband have participated in at least eight IPOs, one of which was from Visa in 2008 - just as a troublesome piece of legislation that would have hurt credit card companies began making its way through the House. The Pelosis purchased 5,000 shares of Visa at the initial price of $44 dollars. Two days later it was trading at $64.

                Now Newsweek and The Daily Beast report that this stock purchase was made as Visa was engaged in a full-court press to lobby Pelosi to stop legislation to curb credit-card swipe fees to vendors.

                In 2007, Visa used an army of lobbyists to try to influence Pelosi, including one of her former advisers, Dean Aguillen, Newsweek reports. Aguillen left Pelosi's office to work for the lobbying firm Ogilvy. By law, he could not lobby Pelosi's office directly, but he did lobby Congress on the credit card issue and offered advice to other lobbyists on that particular mission.

                In addition to exploiting the revolving door between Congress and lobbying firms, Visa's political action committee made a $1,000 donation to Pelosi's re-election campaign, Newsweek reports (Visa headquarters is in Pelosi's home district). Two days after that donation was made, Pelosi met with Visa executives in her office. Aguillen also contributed $1,000 to Pelosi and another $1,000 to the campaign arm of the House Democratic caucusin the first half of 2008.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 3 years, 8 months ago
    I live in the PRC (Peoples Republic of California) and the inmates took over the asylum years ago. I am trying to figure out a way to escape.
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  • Posted by wiggys 3 years, 8 months ago
    it was announced by weatherby manufacturer of outstanding fire arms that they are moving from California to Wyoming. the moving of companies out of California is not happening fast enough. the article posted is proof of how utterly stupid the people who chose to stay are, since they voted this idiot into office. why would you even contemplate a return there?
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 3 years, 8 months ago
    Well, I'm in California. Honestly, this almost brings me to tears. What in the hell is wrong with these people? I won't be buying any more real estate in California, only selling it. This place has gotten so nightmarish. You should see the homeless problem here now. It's like something out of a horror movie...
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  • Posted by preimert1 3 years, 8 months ago
    I've lived in California for over 50 years--most of the time working at TRW (now a division of Northrop-Grumman)--and as a matter of fact I live in Manhattan Beach and I love it here. The thing is if I hadn't got here early and bought a house when it was still affordable (and we got Prop 13 passed to grand father low property taxes), there's no way I could afford to live here now that I'm retired. But its changed drastically

    .When we first arrived MB was a sleepy little beach town mostly populated by crafts people, shop keepers and a few grunt engineers... then it got discovered (sigh). Population still remains at around 24K, but now we have corporate execs, high-end lawyers, entertainers and pro-athletes, absentee Arab oil shieks--and lots and lots of realtors.

    I reeally miss the old down town area. We used to have locally owned stores and restaurants--and a couple of old bars, a movie, etc and free parking. Now there are high-end chain stores and lots of mostly expensive restaurants (with chefs instead of cooks) and metered and valet parking. We try to elect council members who will try to maintain a small town ambiance, but that ship has sailed, folks. Its a facade--a Potemkin Village--Germalshausen. But so far
    some of old geezers persist--enough to give the council hell when they try to pass plastic bag and unsolicited straw ordnances. But we dwindle.

    In spite of the above rant, I know several folks who have moved out of state or abroad who sold their property and now want to return, but they they can't afford to. I can't understand what in hell is keeping the California economy up. Maybe its a bubble long overdue for a correction by a major quake or something. But so far devistating fires and mud slides haven't done it. Maybe when Gov. Moonbeam terms out things will change.

    You'd never know it, but California is politically more purple than blue. Much of the rural population is conservative while the weepers and their enablers are clustered in the urban areas (where they are closer to the public tit, I suppose) and unfortunately enough of them vote to carry the majority of the electors--and since California is an all-or-nothing state, it appears blue on the maps. To me this means that rural voters are disfranchised. On the other hand its the reverse in other states where rural voters hold more sway and thus Trump got elected. Go figure.
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  • Posted by BCRinFremont 3 years, 8 months ago
    Of course there will be no penalty for “undocumented” waiters. California is the unopposed champion of the Counters of Angels on the Heads of Pins. To quote Alice Cooper, “I’ve gotta get out of here!”
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  • Posted by scojohnson 3 years, 8 months ago
    It's hard to tell if it is rude and shifty service in a restaurant, or if they are just legally compliant. Many cities also ban providing a glass of water either unless it is requested.
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    • Posted by term2 3 years, 8 months ago
      Why go there at all? There are so many more customer friendly places in the USA as well as in other countries. I hardly ever even think of California any more.

      If I was younger and wanted to make my mark, I would probably move to China and start something up there. The last place I would go is California or New York in the USA
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      • Posted by scojohnson 3 years, 8 months ago
        I'm a big game hunter, there is no option outside the US for me. I'm sure others find that uninteresting, but I grew up near Lake of the Woods on the Canadian border, it's a big part of my heritage.

        We are nearing retirement and too far invested to start over. Starting over somewhere else means retiring at 70 instead of the 52, so we'll be when we pull the ripcord. It's expensive to live here, but the salaries for what we do are also much higher than other parts of the country with the exception of Northern Virginia (which is CA politics without the nice weather in my opinion). We probably stuff more in our 401k's every year than most people in other parts of the country earn, and we only have to tough it out for 6 more years. We also have a house in Guadalajara that will take a year or two at least to get rid of and we can fly direct for a couple of hundred dollars from here. We inherited that thing, hard to dispose of it seems, wife is leaving in the morning for another few days to deal with it. We also want to capitalize on 7 more years of Trump market growth before we start drawing down on our investments.

        We travel several times a year to look at homes right now, we've been doing 1 & 2 week RV trips to try out other places. Central Oregon, Phoenix, Sedona, most of Nevada, Utah, and Idaho have already been covered. We'll do another trip to Utah and New Mexico this year, and I have an elk hunt at Mt. St Helens that I'll sample some south central Washington living with. Tennessee is attractive for the zero retirement tax, but I'm an elk and moose hunter, Tennessee is about the worst place to live for hunting that I can see, with the exception of Florida, I don't want to drive a 4000 mile round trip for what I look forward to every year. Idaho and Utah for example are over 60% public hunting areas by landmass.. compared to less than single digits in most other states. I like Montana a lot, my wife isn't big on it though, but I'm still pushing that one, public land hunting is better though in Utah and Idaho in my opinion though.

        First year of retirement - 6 weeks in southeast Alaska on an RV trip and swing through British Columbia for on an epic 3 or 4-week back country elk hunt. Right now, it's hard to be away for more than 7-10 days, but I won't have that constraint then.

        Nothing gets more "Gulch" than a 50 foot toy hauler in the bush with generators, solar, huge water tanks, satellite television, hot shower, cinema seating, a deep freeze for the elk or moose hunt proceeds, and a Polaris ACE for getting deeper into the bush - and the ability to hook up and go wherever looks good at the moment. I love being in Wilderness, I just don't care for the 'roughing it' part.

        The dream is a farm house with about 5-10 acres and an electrified barn to store the fifth wheel in when we're home and I can work on my custom gunsmithing. I don't mind the cold (I grew up in Minnesota), but my wife is an LA girl and struggles with anything below 50, but I'm also winning that argument. I don't see North Dakota as an option we could agree on, so it's looking a lot like Idaho or Utah, despite the somewhat unpleasant taxation each of them has. We also looked at New Mexico, but I have to factor in the non-resident big game tags in other states that would still be a factor - I can do that now, but it would be a big expense for retirement income-levels. Not much hunting in New Mexico unfortunately, too many liberals and too many square miles of reservation. Lots of factors in the spreadsheet.
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  • Posted by $ Dobrien 3 years, 8 months ago
    Stupid political leaders are a dime a dozen in Kaliphuktupnia

    After the San Francisco earthquake Sen Boxer said, "Thank God, I'm still alive." "But, of course, those who died, their lives will never be the same again". - Barbara Boxer, Senator

    "I think gay marriage should be between a man and a women" Arnold Schwarzenegger

    "I don't think I've Ever Done Anything For Political Reasons” “ObamaCare Is Lowering Costs And The Deficit” Things Nancy Pelosi Actually said.

    On North Korea.
    “I think there’s some things that they want from us, and we have to find out whether or not we can work with them on the things that they’re asking for,” Maxine Waters

    Kevin DeLeon https://youtu.be/GXqWJtgyqRM
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  • Posted by mccannon01 3 years, 8 months ago
    I suspect that, other than being unsightly to people, tossing a plastic straw out the car window along the roadside has no more effect on the environment than a rock of the same size. Same as if you landfilled straws or rocks.

    This reminds me of the great juice-box-covering-the-earth scare several years ago where some left wing nut made a video to frighten school children and gullible adults regarding the "ecological evil" of the juice box. Come to think of it, many of those juice boxes came with their very own plastic straw!!
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  • Posted by NealS 3 years, 8 months ago
    I think they should put registered serial numbers on those straws so they can track them and insure multiple use. If they find your serial numbered straw in the trash you could be fined and jailed for throwing away a perfectly functional straw. And the paper and/or plastic wrappers should be collected and recycled, subject to prison.

    I actually think California has gone completely off the deep end. Unless we can be assured that an earthquake will break it off and sink it into the ocean we should strongly consider just giving it to Mexico. The only drawback would be trying to build a wall around the borders contiguous with Arizona, Nevada, and Oregon.

    I'm also curious why no one ever wants to address the real issue on this earth, too many people. If we had 1/4th the population would we still need to police "unsolicited plastic straws"?
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    • Posted by RevJay4 3 years, 8 months ago
      Much easier to build wall to split off the western socialist part of the state from the eastern part. Then give the western part to whomever, say, the homeless and illegals. Its going that way now, just need the wall built to make it official.
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  • Posted by $ Casebier 3 years, 8 months ago
    And what about the mostly one-time plastic cups and lids used for virtually all fountain soft drinks sold at convenience stores / gas stations nationwide? Their straw dispensers gonna be fined too, or is it assumed the customer asked for the straw if they caused one to be dispensed? What's more - the cup and lid have probably a hundred times as much plastic as the straw. Californians are approaching Lenin territory with wanting the state to micro-manage their lives - for "their own good" doncha know.
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