In Objectivism, where is the line between essentials of the philosophy and applications?

Posted by jmlesniewski 11 years, 4 months ago to Philosophy
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Too often, I think the two are confused. Personal applications are cited or treated as essentials. This leads to irrational condemning of people for living differently.


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  • Posted by LevelField 11 years, 4 months ago
    I looked up "essential of philosopy" to be certain I had not missed anything and do not understand your meaning in this context. Essentials of philosophy are it's basic tenants. The appliction could be anything from using moral tenants to resolve disputes between people of good will to basic metaphysical study. I'll try to answer your question with reason and within the Philosophy of Objectivism. I'm new to this forum, but not Objectivism. To take this discussion forward, I'll have to ask a lot of questions, if you want a complete answer. Would you like to take it forward? The first answer by kathywiso has some statements correct. To be more precise, Objectivism is a philosopy that begins with man can know reality, A is A.

    An application of Objectivism is "I swear by my life and my love of it, that I will not initiate the use of force against another human being, nor its substitue, which is fraud." This application is far removed from the basic tenants of Objectivism and flows from a long coarse of rational thought.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    did it change your intent? I left out" component" which I had meant to be part of the post. If it did, let me know. But I originally read what you said in that light, because you were only speaking about fair trade and production/payment-not the over all goal of man's purpose in life is his happiness, by pursuing his rational self interest.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago
    can you give an example of what you mean by "personal applications are treated as essentials?"
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    this is sound. Kathyw was only discussing fair trade in barter, not all her goals how would the hypothetical change if your goal was met and exceeded?
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's a philosophical hypothetical. If you say your goal is X, you look at what would happen if you on'y achieved X.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think you meant above that your goal in bartering is to achieve "equal" trade. Certainly you have many goals in your life and fair trade is only one component in achieving your goals. Am I right here?
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  • Posted by $ kathywiso 11 years, 4 months ago
    No, I didn't say that, or didn't mean that anyway. Facts are facts....My idea of fair trade, meaning bartering for an equal value, is my goal. I don't intend to get more of a value for my efforts than I have earned. We all make our own choices to apply the philosophy, which definitely means we all have our own goals.. What is success for one person is never the same for another. I did say, I am assuming that Gulch people have the same philosophy, objectivism .......
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  • Posted by $ kathywiso 11 years, 4 months ago
    Objectivism is a true and absolute reality, that facts are facts A is A. So in each of our lives, we have chosen to succeed with these facts as a means of survival. For each of us, that has to be our own choices, what we feel success is in our own mind, what skills we have built and what feels natural to us. Knowing that fair trade is our goal, but learning in this society that most others don't feel that way. Personally, I don't care how others live, unless they are taking from my efforts, which is the goal for a looter and most (at least 51%) are now looters and feel that what I have earned should somehow belong to them. Spreading the wealth is not fair trade, nor Capitalism, but an, "I don't want to put the effort out, but I want what you have...," attitude and that I have to condemn, because it IS stealing.... I am assuming that Gulch people have the same philosophy, just apply it differently to their own lives. If there is condemning going on in here, it is because the philosophy isn't the same, not for the application of it.
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