China Says U.S. Debate Over Trump’s Mental Health Shows Democracy Is Dying

Posted by  $  nickursis 9 months, 1 week ago to Government
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This is interesting, when China says democracy is dying, we are in deep doo. "Although since World War II U.S. presidents have often come under attack, Trump is the first to have his mental health questioned. This shows the waning quality of U.S. democratic politics," Global Times wrote in one of its latest editorials."
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 months, 1 week ago
    Nearly every U.S. president since Washington has been attacked by opposition questioning their mental stability or improprieties. John Adams was assailed as an unstable tyrant over the Alien and Sedition acts, the first presidential action ruled unconstitutional by the SCOTUS. Woodrow Wilson was suspected of being mentally incompetent after his massive stroke late in his administration. Harry Truman was called a man with uncontrollable temper after he responded angrily to a music critic that panned his daughter's performance. Those are just a few of the many retorts aimed at our presidents, from the birth of the republic.

    Anyone who seeks to occupy the highest stress job on the planet has to have a touch of craziness. Presidents are by their nature, narcissistic and egotistical, easily called out as not "normal" like the rest of us.

    That aside, I do think the Chinese are correct in saying the opposition to Trump is beyond the borders of temperate politics, and it's entirely due to the left's craziness. It started with Watergate, when the left discovered that you really could run a president from the opposing party out of office. While Watergate had rational grounds for impeachment, they've been testing the waters to see how far they could take public opinion into the realm of irrationality.

    Reagan was attacked without legitimate grounds, but his calm, sensible demeanor made it obvious how unhinged the opposition critics were. The first President Bush avoided much serious criticism, primarily because of the successful outcome of the Gulf war. His son was not so lucky, even though he was initially praised for his post-9/11 actions. "Bush Derangement Syndrome" (BDS) followed, with critics seeking revenge for the Clinton impeachment.

    Finally, we come to President Trump, the "reality" TV president, who could be criticized on rational grounds for his grandiose demeanor and exaggerated statements. Learning from their BDS experience that even illogical criticism couldn't hound a president from office (especially one with the huge ego of Donald Trump), the left's opposition deteriorated into criminal conspiracy, with the infection spreading into the active government agencies. Hopefully the republic can enact a course correction before it deteriorates into incurable corruption.
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    • Posted by  $  9 months, 1 week ago
      Doc, the corruption is there, today. Look at what Strzock sent in his texts to his girlfriend. They were actively plotting to overthrow a sitting president. In my book that is treason, and rebellion, and yet our society is too weak to actually say that and take the appropriate action. I think the Chinese President is marveling at why the Democrats have not been sent to prison yet.
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 months, 1 week ago
        I share the Chinese president's astonishment, but truthfully I recognize that we've fallen into the "Animal Farm" trap, and the elites are convinced they are a superior species to the rest of America. I'm not usually surprised at the increasingly outrageous actions of government creatures, but when Comey looked straight into the camera and without shame or embarrassment said that if Hillary Clinton was a regular citizen, she would have been indicted, my jaw dropped a foot! Since when do laws apply differently depending on what segment of society you come from? The different outcomes of criminal prosecution usually result from the deep pockets of the indicted wealthy, who can afford better lawyers, but this was the first time I heard a law enforcement official acknowledge that certain types of people were beyond prosecution or guilt.
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        • Posted by  $  9 months, 1 week ago
          Was that before or after he announce he had illegally leaked his memo? When the FBI director casually commits crimes, you know that the rest of the herd are already doing it under the table, and the last Administration went over the top with it. Blatant criminal activity asnd all they had to say was "no, it's not" and that was that. The media agreed and everyone moved on. The election of Trump derailed a lot of their ideas and scared the piss out of them, as they had never bothered to hide any of their activities, and a lot of midnight oil was burnt in shredding, deleting, file scrubbing and hard drive bashing. Now there are gaps here and there, and no one is questioning how they came to be, but that is why.All the screaming before January 2017 was just a charade to mask what they were desperately trying to do.I bet the Chinese spies have a lot more evidence that they snagged and maybe the 2 got together and "chatted" a little in private. Trump is like an elephant in the living room when he is confident he has something he can use to nuke the other guy, and he seems to want to hide it, all the while he is proclaiming it. Enough of that and the Dems have no idea what he really knows, as they all say he is a loon anyways.
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          • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 months, 1 week ago
            I listen closely to Dan Bongino, the former Secret Service guy, and he is now saying that in this year we will see members of the Obama administration indicted for various crimes including illegal wiretapping, obstruction of justice, destroying evidence, perjury, gross negligence concerning classified documents (Hillary?). He has also brought up the issues concerning Obama impeding efforts to stop Hezbollah drug sales in an effort to close the Iran nuclear deal, so does that mean we might see a former President indicted? Call me skeptical, as the unwashed masses will explode at the call of the media if any of this actually takes place.
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            • Posted by  $  9 months, 1 week ago
              It would be nice, since watching all that go by, and no one even wanted to admit it was happening, out in the open, was so frustrating. I am ok with just packaging up the whole top levels of all their admin and having one trial. Make it a pay per view show....
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 months, 1 week ago
    It was "a republic if you can keep it".
    Democracy has always been a poor form of government and is not good enough for America.
    Communism is, in many ways, worse.
    Of course, China criticizes Trump. He is the formidable adversary that they'd love to be rid of so they can deal with statists who are easier to corrupt and who feel socialism is better to concentrate more power in the hands of the state.
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    • Posted by  $  mminnick 9 months, 1 week ago
      I'll grant democracy is not a really good form of government. We don't live in a Democracy, we live in a republic. We democratically elect people to make the laws we live under. We don't vote on the laws directly. thus we are a republic. Both are better than anything else tried by humanity prior to this.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 9 months, 1 week ago
        "As there is a degree of depravity in mankind which requires a certain degree of circumspection and distrust: So there are other qualities in human nature, which justify a certain portion of esteem and confidence. Republican government presupposes the existence of these qualities in a higher degree than any other form. Were the pictures which have been drawn by the political jealousy of some among us, faithful likenesses of the human character, the inference would be that there is not sufficient virtue among men for self government; and that nothing less than the chains of despotism can restrain them from destroying and devouring one another."
        - James Madison, The Federalist No. 55

        It is becoming evident that sufficient virtue is now lacking in those chosen by the two parties to run for national office, and those chosen and appointed to federal courts, federal departments, and executive cabinet positions. In such a system, the people are not represented; the republic is broken.
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  • Posted by  $  Stormi 9 months, 1 week ago
    I find it interesting that China, where you can question nothing, and who now controls the Internet, says it is a sign of anything other than what happens in a free country.
    I do wonder why the dems can question Trump's sanity, when they have NEVER mentioned Hillary's past hospitalization for uncontrolled manic behavior. She exhibited some such behavior while on the campaign trail as well. Funny, how they can overlook so much in other libs. It is like when they called Bush Jr. dumb, then turned around and elected a guy with an IQ of about 117, which is below that of Bush! China killed its citizens for protesting, which to me sounds like insanity. I have read Mao's Little Red Book multiple times, and insanity is when intennatin business people came up with TQM, which is filled with Mao's methods. Can one call the screaming Judd broad sane? How about Madonna's goofy rant, oh, she never was normal, just depraved. Tump looks like a pillar of sanity when ones looks at the Libs in general.
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    • Posted by  $  9 months, 1 week ago
      Stormi, I was a TQM trainer in the military when they were first rolling it out, and I am not familiar with how that connects to Maos LRB, We are talking about "Total Quality Management"? Which BTW, comes in more flavors that Ben and Jerrys today....
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      • Posted by  $  Stormi 9 months, 1 week ago
        Sorry for the delay, but we spent the day cleaning up global warming in the form of inches of snow on top of sleet, including the first frozen shut mail boxes in the area in 30 years!
        Actually, back in the 90s, I was talking with my brother, a Major in the USAF, about creeping TQM, which I saw promoting collectivism and employing at times, the Delphi Technique. It was very big in industry here, was creeping into the school system, and medicine. At the same time, university business schools were pulling away, and advising an approach which was more one of reacting to the unexpected, than endless meeting to plan ideas. My brother, sent me Mao's Little Red Book, with a note to read it through ,as it was absolutely similar. I had read a good many books on Mao before, but read that as well.Mao was influenced by the thinking of Rousseau (1700s), which many educators were also.
        "Strategic Plans" are mentioned in "China's Revolutionary War" (1936). "Five Year Plans" are mentioned in "Running a Co-operativeDilligently and Frugally" (1955). TQM methods are mentioned in Mao's "Democratic Movement in the Army" 1948. In other texts, he calles for engaging the "rank and file" in planning, and calls fro eegular meetings.
        Once TQM entered the schools the call for ever earlier early childhood education followed, by government, as parents were not to be trusted to rear their children.Across the US, school meetings were held with administrators and parents, to create "strategic plans", usually employing the Delphi Technique, to get the predetermined outcome.
        I would suspect TQM in the military, where planning is necessary, would not be as easily manipulated, as among the general public. I do remember even Mao read much on our George Washington, viewing him as a great general. Even today, they sailors in China read Mahan's classic story on the importance of sea power on history. JFK valued that text, but not much in the following presidents.
        We have a creeping collectivism in the USA, and it is due to too many educators (an oxymoron) and tunnel vision CEOS, who want to grab at the shiny new techniques, never knwing the world has been there before, and lost freedoms.
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        • Posted by  $  9 months, 1 week ago
          TQM (Called TQL in the military, because, of course, they are all about leadership) (NOT!), as I was trained, and did training on it, had very little to do with planning. It was simply a more structured approach to using Deming's Statistical Models to achieve quality, and to use statistical controls and data to identify the outliers, and the non standard processes that cause bad quality, and thus big costs. That all morphed into Lean Six Sigma, which is even more focused on actual data and variation, and removing variation from your process. The only place they call for any involvement may be on the customer or employee surveys and data gathering to establish the current state, and then determine the ideal state. It is also all tied up in the Toyota Quality System (which is also called Toyota Quality Management, which may be more what you are speaking too) which in the beginning, relied more on "getting the troops riled up" as well as "having employees plan and execute production segments" in the mistaken belief the person at the point of activity also had all the skills, knowledge and get go, to make their little bit work better. That lasted about 2 years before it was completely overhauled into the Toyota Manufacturing Model (TMM). I think it has probably morphed more times since, as today the standard is Lean Six Sigma (and all this stuff is just application of manufacturing common sense by using statistical analysis and real data vs some engineer or managers fantasy). I am a LSS Green Belt, and refused the Black Belt program when I saw the 2 weeks of nasty, boring statistical math they wanted you to take...ugh.....But very little I could say are "commie", unless making the same ting over and over and with a guarantee it works right is "commie".
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          • Posted by  $  Stormi 9 months, 1 week ago
            My USAF Major brother felt their was a commie connection.Of course, he had also visited the local school system, and I was part of the strategic plan team, there as well, and he told me to watch what was going on, as it was not good. He had been force fed Mao in a required college psychology course, while in the USAF, where the commie professor insisted they should love it.
            I I saw TQM in action in industry, as part of the publishing company where i worked in editorial, which l was exempt. However, we could hear the BS sessions advertising was put through, the childish cheering and the, lying to advertisers about circulation, and ending with pizza! The person who filled the supplies in the snack room felt she was part of management, because she was on the team buying into the whole thing. Advertising dropped. Then while sitting on the school planning team, I knew the brainwashing, including Maslow group therapy led by a teacher, in the classroom, that was going on. I knew that some of the administrators said they did not care what parents wanted, they knew best. It was early childhood push to start the indoctrination earlier. Capitalism was taught as bad, socialism great, and parents kept in the dark. That whole process started when industry spread their TQM into schools. Those of us on the team who came from the community had handlers from the administration, and thus the Delphi Technique was put in place with us. Several of us had studied it and knew how it worked, so we were ready. But once we were done, the school continued on their predetermined course, and today has an F rating with the state.
            My brother and I feel it is no coincidence that Mao used the same terminology for so many of the processes in industry and education TQM. When the idea is to make people feel they are part of the planning, but are actually manipulated into accepting a predetermined outcome, that is definitely the basis of communism. As in Orwell, Bad was good, history was rewritten, etc.
            It is subtle to the general public, and thus all the more dangerous. Quslaity in work must be maintained, the product must be good, but the worker must be realistic. Spending hours in rah rah sessions and feeling they are the best, is not working harder and actually doing their best. This country, including the military when my brother retired, was moving ever more toward socialism or communism. No one questioned when commie card-carrying Gorby put green agenda in our schools, at the expense of real science, it all just happens too easily, and the communist have long said they would destroy us from within. College professors, including those teaching business and education, are enthralled with communism, from Mao to to third world dictators. We have to be alert to it. Today, the UN has vowed to end capitalism, as part of Agenda 21/2030.
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            • Posted by  $  9 months, 1 week ago
              Stormi, again, I am not disagreeing one bit with your above statement, remember, all of these programs are implemented by individual managers and "leaders" in each organization. There for, they are subjuect to manipulation and modification to suit their agenda. I can say in my company, they "implemented" Lean manufacturing, and it was a 2 years seance session of some trianing, and a couple people building their little empires, and then "fizzt". Dead. I joined a guy who was fervent at what good Lean Six Sigma can produce and have used it a couple times in training groups, with improvements in the process we tired to work on. Management can come right behind and screw it all up, which is why it is something that needs to be implemented across the whole org. Exactly what you described is how it has worked in many businesses, because replacing "power" with logic and data, means someone loses out on their glory. No manager will allow that. It is easier to just lay off a few hundred and tell the rest to suck it up, and get a big bonus for ""improving productivity". Like I said, I have not seen TQM as a program, implemented in a business, as they went to the lean Six Sigma model which was a refinement of it and more data oriened. What you describe is what I have seen from all schools I have been involed in, a weird attempt to program, "feel good" and generally work around a lack of knowledge and discipline with made up crap and seat of the pants decisions.The education establishment is grossly over rated and incompetent today, it is up to an individual teacher to determine if they will be good or not. The system as a whole is a total failure, and a lot of that is because it is no longer educating, but indoctrinating.
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              • Posted by  $  Stormi 9 months, 1 week ago
                Can you imagine if students were to learn the truth of how capitalism works, not some politician's or teacher's version, ones who never worked in the real world. Then if each child started learning about Ayn Ran's philosophy from early on, about individualism, which is best for the whole. Our workers would be self-motivated, see the big picture, and would not need childish games to motivate them.
                I worked in the corp. accountting office of a multinational firm for nine years. My boss became the Treasurer, his first act, after he and I converted the whoel system to computer, was to reduce the corp. acctg. dept. from six women to three, and to do away with a supervisor. He picked employees who worked on their own, were responsible, and did not run to him with every issue. I remember his saying that we reported to him, but he did not ant to hear from us, as we knew what he expected. The dept. worked very efficiently. I did acct. receivable cash receipts, sales taxes, GL journal entries, data input for other divisions, reconciled asset accounts, and did collections. The three girls did more jobs than the six had done, taking on some of the formerly Treasurer's duties. Each of us had a background where responsibility had been stressed The only meetings we ever had was with IT to consult about additional reports we wanted or updates we needed. I did meet with service and sales, when a customer had an issue with a machine which was holding up payment, to make sure it was being addressed timely. The girl doing payables was the daughter of the owner of another Machine Tool company in town, but she wanted to do it one her own. She understood the business and was an employee anyone would want. When the third lady got appendicitis, and was off for weeks, our boss asked if we two could fill the gap, as he did not want to hire a part time person - and it was done.The machine kept running.That is what can happen when employees understand capitalism and embrace it, and work as individuals withing a loose team, where the results are the goal.
                I am six to death of the Marxist and there is no "I" in team crap they feed students today. Our daughter read "Antem' at 9 years, and is now a COO of a multimillion dollar corp., whose growth she took personally. Planning is good, but it is not everything, and it hides some level of incompetence when team members are credited as a group.
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  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 9 months, 1 week ago
    Demonocracies DIE when they become way Too demoncrapic, (anything goes - Everything is a Right with no consequences for behavior), and that is exactly what we seeing all over the western world.
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  • Posted by  $  puzzlelady 9 months, 1 week ago
    What's disappearing is not Democracy (a floating abstraction of shared belief and practice) but the critical mass of intelligent, competent individuals needed for a republic to function by consent of the governed.
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    • Posted by  $  9 months, 1 week ago
      That is a correct observation IMHO, the vast majority of the current imperial senate and house are definitely NOT " intelligent, competent individuals" but "greedy, self centered, party owned animals", i.e "looters". The system has become geared to operate and support their species, and has frozen us out. You do NOT get eleted by working with your district and representing their consensus view, as there is no such animal either, it is all about money, selling your soul to the Party, and serving it's requirements. Look at what they say and do today to prove it. Dumbocraps almost universally use hot button labels, and hate Trump, and do anything to remove him, and Republicrats are pursuing their own little agenda favoring their patrons and repaying their investment. Nowhere do you find the common good, or interest of the people being promoted or protected.
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  • Posted by  $  mminnick 9 months, 1 week ago
    If the left wins the battle, Democracy is DEAD. Individual rights are DEAD. and a whole lot of right leaning and conservatives will be (eventually) in jail ofr dead.
    the Progressive left has no patience with decent.
    I personally don't think the American people will fall ofr all the MSM crap being spewed out but it only takes a significan minority to make change in a country where the press does not report the truth about thinks and people.
    To quote a very old Mormon saying "Vigilance !!!"
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 months, 1 week ago
    the Chinese are very late to the table on that one or they don't understand that we are a republic so democracy is thriving unfortunately
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    • Posted by  $  9 months, 1 week ago
      i would disagree on "thriving". Cronyism, corruption, special interests, pay to play, yes, those are thriving. Democracy, as such, is really dead today. Especially when you look at the corruption that has taken the "one man, one vote" and turned it into "How many votes do you want to buy?".
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  • Posted by  $  allosaur 9 months, 1 week ago
    Yawn. Now the attack on Trump is about his mental health.
    What next? Will Gloria Allred trot out guys who say Trump abused them?
    Hey, has Trump being a space alien been used yet?
    China? Who cares what foreign commies think?
    We already have Bolshevik Bernie, Nutty Nancy, put up with a ruinous Obamanation for 8 years and many more of those here already.
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