Kansas Man Killed In ‘SWATting’ Attack

Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 3 months ago to Culture
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This is so disturbing on many levels and is indicative of the whole breakdown of our society, and the loss of individual freedom and personal safety. Imagine you are at home, and a swat team shows up, and you answer the door, knowing you have no reason to see them. Make a false move and cops who expect a situation respond in the manner trained, and boof, dead. Now, look at the moron who did it, hiding behind technical walls, anonymity, and refusing any responsibility, simply because he thinks he can get away with it. Not only that, but he has bragged on various bomb threats and other "swatting" he has done. This is when I toss my personal position of not imposing my morals on others out the airlock, and want this guy found, and not tried, but swatted himself, with a bullet. The immaturity of society is so rampant, the lack of any responsibility for anything, we see it in politics, where lie till you die is the standard, to government that imposes its will on you, taxes you to death for whatever they want, and the looter mentality of "I want what I want, and I will take it". It is prevalent in so many places and institutions. Sad.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 6 years, 3 months ago
    The whole concept of SWAT teams is inherently dangerous. The cases where a homeowner should be met with a military style assault by law enforcement are very few and far between.

    But if you have a SWAT team then you start calling them out for everything -- and they get to play war games.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 3 months ago
      I do think they went off the reservation with htis, I can understand being cautious, but walking up to a door, and freaking out when a person moves is assuming every person is a threat. What would happen if the bad guy has a gun to wifes head and tells dad to answer door? Does dad still get knocked off? Seems like some bad solutions were in play... beyond the moron...
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  • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 3 months ago
    If the swat team was instructed that a recent murder and a hostage situation was in progress that becomes a very dangerous deadly scenario as witnessed in this story. Swatting This evil behavior can only be described as sociopathic. A sociopath typically has a conscience, but it’s weak. He may know that Swatting is wrong, and he might feel some guilt or remorse, but that won’t stop his behavior.
    They lack empathy, the ability to stand in someone else’s shoes and understand how they feel. Someone with this personality type sees others as objects he can use for his own twisted wicked acts.
    Swatting and false bomb warnings should be a potential life sentence.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 3 months ago
    Clinton and his AG Janet Reno started this latest wave of unethical conduct when they took full responsibility (what a cruel joke on the dead) for the murder of 100 innocent people at Waco. FBI agents were promoted instead of punished and set a standard for the future.
    Of course such things happened before in these united states, e.g., the Bonus Army slaughter by McArthur and Patton who were rewarded, not punished.
    http://www.historynet.com/the-bonus-a...
    That disgusting use of force eventually helped elect an even worse statist, FDR, as president.
    The Senate was also at fault for preventing an early payment to the Bonus Army. A free market solution (selling the rights to guaranteed government future payments on the open market) would have been easy, but the swamp dwellers of the Dark Center ignored the possibility.
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    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 6 years, 3 months ago
      Forgot about the Bonus Army. Thanks. Violated Posses Comitatus, no?
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      • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 3 months ago
        Likely.
        When government controls the just-us system it will rule in governments' favor (and suppress any lawsuit against government from getting a start) regardless of the seriousness or legality of the government offense. On occasion there will be a sacrificial cut-out or fall-guy served up to the public that protects the more guilty, sometimes voluntarily like Michael Milken (S&L junk bond crisis) and sometimes as unwary stooges as Lee Harvey Oswald and Bernie Madoff in 2008.
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  • Posted by chad 6 years, 3 months ago
    Having been in the military I can understand how expecting a situation to be dangerous can make you react in a manner resulting in tragedy when there was no danger. Hesitation at that moment can result in your own demise if you are wrong.
    However, responding to a call should make the responders much more careful than when responding with a warrant where there is more credible information pertaining to the danger that may await you. I place a large part of the tragedy on the responsibility of the police for responding with military tactics on behalf of a third party contact.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 3 months ago
      Yep, but that is something the idiot who called in did not bother to consider could happen.
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      • Posted by chad 6 years, 3 months ago
        I understand that and he should be prosecuted for at the least manslaughter and more if possible knowing that his actions could have tragic results. The culpability of the police is minimal but they should have still approached the house as though their information may have been amiss instead of assuming that it was reliable.
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 3 months ago
          I would say that they could approach assuming danger, which is the only way a cop can proceed, the issue is is there a tactically viable way to approach the door? Just going up and knocking is not a brillian ida, so you can approach, have a person stationed on either side of the door, and the third can still knock, and engage the person who answers, all the while knowing they have 2 ready to proceed should things go south. In this case, had the guy really reached for his belt (the story told), then the two could easily come out to each side, and man in middle jsut has to say "freeze". I would think 3 to one would pretty much ensure you freeze. The story is, guy reached to belt area and cop shot. Too many opportunities to stop things before shooting seemed to have been missed. You can take such scenarios further, in that, what if there was another bad guy in house with hostage? Then you kill one, and the bad guys kill the hostage, not a good outcome. Whatever happened to surrounding the house with the megaphones telling them to come out? That seems as good as any, considering all the possibilities....
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  • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 3 months ago
    SWAT teams are premeditated murder by the state waiting to happen. Disband all government SWAT teams of any kind at every level- including those run by FBI, BATF, and every other federal agency.
    Power corrupts. Take away the power.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 3 months ago
      I don't know how I feel on this one, in that the state has screwed up so much in the ways of laws and regulations, good guys loose and bad guys don't care. Just like Chicago, laws saying "don't shoot people" have a much meaning as "don't come into the country illegally". If you will not enforce it, it is useless, then you need the heavy hitters. I prefer self prevention by being adequately armed to put an end to stupidity early in the game. Then no need for swat dudes.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 6 years, 3 months ago
    ISIS could learn a lesson from this...
    Why be a suicide bomber, when you can simply phone in your death request?
    Then, again, you only kill one person per call...not too efficient.
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