To Whom can we attribute Fascism?...now we have a name and a face.

Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 10 months, 3 weeks ago to Video
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Great commentary by Dinesh D'Souza
SOURCE URL: https://youtu.be/m6bSsaVL6gA


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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 months, 3 weeks ago
    Thanks for the history lesson, OUC.
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    • Posted by  $  10 months, 3 weeks ago
      And all this time, who knew, we didn't know Who, came up with Fascism.
      Giovanni Gentile...no longer progressively erased from history.
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      • Posted by  $  allosaur 10 months, 3 weeks ago
        Thanks for sharing this find, Olduglycarl. Me dino never heard of Gentile until now.
        Libs do love to hide their own crap when not trying to erase history in general.
        Maybe they should be called Eraserheads based on the name of a twisted surreal movie I saw a long time ago.
        http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074486/
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        • Posted by  $  10 months, 3 weeks ago
          Laughing...but I was thinking of how cats bury their crap so other animals wouldn't know they were there.
          My apologies to all cats! It's just a metaphor kitties.
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          • Posted by  $  allosaur 10 months, 3 weeks ago
            Moocher, my once a stray still a kick-ass for a territorial black tomcat, takes exception.
            Moocher advises that he buries his crap so as not to step in it while chasing out critters who trespass against his urine and bodily rubbed scent markings.
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            • Posted by  $  10 months, 3 weeks ago
              Had 3 black cats, (when I couldn't have a dog) all great and very close buddies till the end. One, would help me work on my Datsun 240Z's...he had to be a part of everything I did.
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              • Posted by  $  allosaur 10 months, 3 weeks ago
                Moocher is so freaking affectionate I have to keep him outside.
                That's okay. He was a tough outdoor cat when I first tossed him some food.
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                • Posted by IndianaGary 10 months, 2 weeks ago
                  Got 3 of my own rescued from different shelters, aged 6, 11, and 14, all male. Great buddies and all indoor-only. It's far safer for the cat; outdoor cats tend to only live for 5 years or so while indoor cats can live to over 20. That said, I have one cat I have to trap in a bedroom when I prepare food as he would otherwise be up my nose constantly. Two are lapcats.
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                  • Posted by  $  10 months, 2 weeks ago
                    Laughing...
                    We don't have any now, too many Maltese dogs, which are like cats kind of, but we also are plagued with Coyotes.
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                    • Posted by IndianaGary 10 months, 2 weeks ago
                      We don't have many coyotes in Vegas proper but they do exist on the periphery and occasionally drift toward the interior. I'm about a mile from the Strip which puts me near predators of another stripe. Fortunately the community is gated and we take security seriously.
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      • Posted by bobsprinkle 10 months, 2 weeks ago
        I am currently reading D'Souza's latest (I think) book The Big Lie. He includes a section about Giovanni Gentile. Starts it out with a quote from Giovanni....For Fascism...the state and the individual are one.
        D'Souza is a Gem.
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  • Posted by Turfprint 10 months, 2 weeks ago
    I think it was Reagan: “If fascism ever comes to America it will be under the guise of liberalism.” Fascism hides an agenda under lies and public giveaways and espousing individual rights and concern. But the things they do are oppressive to the minority (as in the individual) and in favor of the collective. Fascists are led by the elitists who don't truly understand the struggles and realities of personal survival thus they are quick to give away American rights and property to maintain power and popular standing. And all the little people who follow the entitled want the approval of their idols and masters. The Left-wing has gone so far left it is opposite of what it stands for (open minded = liberal thinking.) In fact in my seventy-five years on the planet, it seems social open mindedness comes from people who are economic conservatives. But hanging a tag like liberal or conservative on those who love freedom serves the lying politicians more than it serves the truth.
    Liberals are the new fascists. They encourage riots, mayhem, and lies. Black lives matter, Berkeley anti free-speech riots, and so on. Violence = Liberals. To the pot add Soros and other Democratic and foreign donors providing money to the ever name changing AntiFa and other quickly invented thug groups that use old fashioned intimidation and violent demonstrations define current conditions in the US. They even have a rapid response fund to take advantage of situations as they arise.
    FASCISM IN AMERICA=LIBERALS, THE AUTOCRATS=OBAMA AND CLINTON AND OTHER POWER HUNGRY MEMBERS OF THE BELTWAY. DRAIN THE SWAMP!!
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    • Posted by TheRealBill 10 months, 2 weeks ago
      Fascism came to America in the early 1900s. Openly. It was eagerly embraced and lauded by the powers that were. It was only after the atrocities of the Nazi variant mutation were no longer concealable that they backpedalled and deflected. Them the Nazis became the whipping post while we ignored the fascism of the communists in Russia, China, and so on where far more people were murdered by the state. Forget the Alamo, remember the Kulaks!
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 months, 2 weeks ago
    We all knew that Fascism is a form of socialism, so what does it matter the name of the fellow who thought it up?No form of socialism ca ever work because the human brain is too complex. Few humans can stay on a single track without thinking of a way to do better, i: e: make more money or do a task better than other humans.Most do not have thewill to break away in order to improve themselves, but those that do under socialism can only do it by becoming a
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    • Posted by  $  10 months, 2 weeks ago
      I thought it was important Herb, because it is another part of History that was obscured and I think it also was important to know that the idea was around before Hitler.

      Another "alternative" Fact to drive liberals crazy!
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      • Posted by Herb7734 10 months, 2 weeks ago
        On the last post, I got called to dinner. That's a call I always answer. Even in the middle of a thought. When I returned to the computer the printer broke up hurling little white nylon rollers at me (literally) which was a bit of a distraction. To The Point;certainly an interesting bit of history, and D'Souza is always a treat. Why didn't I have teachers like that in college?
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  • Posted by chad 10 months, 2 weeks ago
    Although Gentile may have been the first to codify it different forms of the demand; "I get to control you", have existed probably since man became self aware and the first individual who said, "I think I will do what I want and discover the results and make decisions based on what is efficient or gets the desired results." Causing the person standing next to him to say, "Not without my permission and extortion for doing so!" It simply took time to begin to codify labels, write down the ideas. I have no doubt Dinesh is correct in identifying Gentile he is a great researcher and thinker.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 10 months, 2 weeks ago
    I have a lot problems with Dinesh D'Souza...he is an altruist and religionist...

    the father of Capitalism was the mother of Capitalism...Ayn Rand...Dinesh will not acknowledge her because she is an atheist...and he denounces all Objectivism...
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    • Posted by  $  10 months, 2 weeks ago
      Our Forefathers were capitalist.
      D'Souza only complains about the "Hard Core" objectivist from what I have observed...maybe I missed something but He is correct in his research and I wouldn't throw that out with the bath water.
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      • Posted by mia767ca 10 months, 2 weeks ago
        he is a typical conservative religionist...they are more at fault for our current slide into totalitarianism, than the leftist/socialists...

        I have exchanged emails with D'Souza...he cannot be reasoned with...
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        • Posted by  $  10 months, 2 weeks ago
          Christianity is the least of our problems and not responsible for anything happening today. I'd look to, satanism, Giaiaism, islamism, descendants of the Nephlim, environ[mental]ism, progressiveism, communism and anything related inbetween!

          Not to mention, mother nature is about to treat us badly as well!...weakening magnetic shields and the onset of another Grand Solar Minimum.

          If the delete great unwashed didn't have everyone looking in the wrong direction we would be able to prepare for it.
          It will have to up to the few that know, to produce our food in a colder wackier climate.
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  • Posted by craigerb 10 months, 2 weeks ago
    For heuristic reasons, I think we should keep Fascism identified with Mussolini and Hitler:
    1) It shows it's a failed form of state
    2) It identifies Fascism with Socialism (Nazism = NAtional ZocIalism)
    3) Gentile will be confused with 'gentile'
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  • Posted by ycandrea 10 months, 2 weeks ago
    I have always known this intuitively because of my base of identified values, but I did not know the history of fascism or Nazism. Now I can have an even more knowledgeable conversation with my friends on the left. Thank you for sharing.
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  • Posted by  $  MikeMarotta 10 months, 3 weeks ago
    Apparently, you have never seen a Mercury dime.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury...

    "Facsism" qua "fascism" is entirely an Italian phenomenon.
    "By extension, the word fascio came in modern Italian political usage to mean group, union, band or league. It was first used in this sense in the 1870s by groups of revolutionary democrats in Sicily, to describe themselves." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascio

    D'Souza attempts to navigate the Scylla and Charybdis of the Political Left and Political Right, but you can find "Left Syndicalism" (such as the anarchists of Barcelona in the Spanish Civil War, as in Homage to Catalonia by George Orwell) and "Right Syndicalism" which is very much like "fascism" as we know it today. The problem with "Left-Right" is that it ignores conceptual essentials. The Left-Right axis was the seating arrangement of the French national assembly in the Revolution where those on the right were monarchists and those on the left were democrats. The better way to think about this is the two-dimensional Authoritarian-Libertarian X-Y axis of "The Smallest Political Quiz." (https://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/qui... ) (Just note that this 35-year old recruiting tool has changed over the years as issues have come and gone from headline news.)
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    • Posted by  $  blarman 10 months, 2 weeks ago
      Interesting quiz, but too limited for my tastes. There are a lot more issues than just five in each area which flavor one's stand. Thanks for the link!
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    • Posted by  $  10 months, 3 weeks ago
      Took the test, simplest one I've seen yet.
      Knew where I stood, but wanted to see if the quiz is a good one.
      Results:
      Personal 80% Libertarian
      Economic 100% Libertarian.

      The Trip up questions for me were the drug and sex-(perversions) ones, answered with a maybe.
      The problem with those, as I see them are the effects upon others, the temptation of others less balanced or the statement of: This is OK...which goes back to temptation. (Do we really want to encourage society to engage in these things)...I'd be happy with: (Don't Ask, Don't tell if it had to be an option).
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  • Posted by  $  MikeMarotta 10 months, 3 weeks ago
    The ideas of "fascism" of the late 19th and early 20th centuries were widespread and commonly accepted. Our National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance come from that same intellectual tradition.

    For an example of the intellectual middle ground of the time, allow me to suggest one paper, "The Rising National Individualism" by Herbert Adolphus Miller, in The American Journal of Sociology, Vol. 19, No. 5 (Mar., 1914), pp. 592-605. The author did not mean "individualism" as you and I do. He referred to the tendency of intellectuals to support Nationalist Socialism as opposed to International Socialism.

    "It is not at all clear just where the individual merges into the social, but we have become familiar with the contrast between Individualism and Socialism, and everyone has a fairly good idea of what is meant by the two terms. We are beginning to see that men are more closely related to the groups to which they belong- family, community, and religious organization-than to any inter- est which could be more specifically called merely personal. The object of this paper is to show that there is a rapidly developing individualism that is distinctly social, and which promises to become a powerful factor in human affairs. The earlier conflict between Socialism and Individualism is likely to be diverted to that between Socialism and Nationalism or the struggle for national individuality. At the present moment the world is organizing itself into two great camps-Socialism and Nationalism. Both are expressions of the group feeling; both are movements of revolt; both are struggles for freedom. They started from a common impulse about fifty years ago, but quickly found themselves arrayed against each other. One would break down political boundaries; the other would build them up. Socialism calls all the world one; Nationalism sets part against the rest. Socialism is economic; Nationalism sentimental. Both are rapidly becoming world-wide and must fundamentally modify statescraft."

    The most surprising aspect of this paper is that it was not surprising in any way. Herbert Adolphus Miller taught sociology at Oberlin College and Ohio State University. Among his few papers was "Some Psychological Considerations in the Race Problem," (Bibliotheca Sacra 63 (1906): 352-363.) The closing paragraph of that paper opens with this:

    Finally, class and race as well as sex problems arise from' lack of spiritual affinity between the groups or individuals concerned. They lack " consciousness of kind." This phrase resolves itself into consciousness of the same kind of ideals or purposes. A social relation exists as soon as there are common purposes.

    The explicit collectivism is obvious, but, again, not exceptional for the times.
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    • Posted by  $  10 months, 3 weeks ago
      Great post and I enjoyed reading it.

      We can never have an "Individualistic"-One world, (if I understand the connotation of the terms) until Everyone respects the property of others. The Individual being the smallest and most essential property to respect.

      Where more than half the world is not just Pre Literate but lacking in Conscious self introspection, (according to references in MARCEL KUIJSTEN's Newest book on the on going works of Julian Jaynes), I don't see this happening anytime soon.
      This is not to mention, societies and cultures that are 180 degrees opposed to each other...we all must be on at least the majority of the same page...Don't you Think?
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